From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #82 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, December 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] crucification <> ["Linda M. Woolf, Ph.D."] Re: [chakram-refugees] crucification <> [meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] crucification <> Hi Y'all, For an essay on "Crucifixion in Antiquity", go to http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion2.html. This web site even has pictures! Linda ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:57:27 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] crucification <> Hi, Stephanie commented: >Nah, it isn't, but it made for some good Hollywood, and that was a very >popular genre at the time. (I wish the genre would come back - a la >Gladiator - they made amazing films back then, and today the >possibilities are endless, and there is definitely a crowd chomping at >the bit for its return - and since LOTR is making such huge waves, I >doubt it'll be long before we get another good Roman epic.) The story of Alexander the Great is currently in development. (Yeah, okay, that's Macedonian, but same general idea.) I've been horrified at some of the rumors I've seen circulating about it though, most recently that Leonardo diCaprio has been approached to play Alexander. That would be absolutely WRONG. But then again, it might be amusing to see the reaction of his screaming teenage girl fans if they play it accurately and portray Alexander and Hephaestion's relationship as it actually was. My biggest regret about X:WP is that they never did an Alexander story. If they could have Xena at the Trojan War *after* meeting Caesar, Julius Caesar, they could have had her meet up with him too. I always pictured it as an Evil Xena flashback ... oh, the possibilities!!! Ah, well. Greatly amused by the use of the term "crucification" to describe "crucifixion", ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:26:07 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE: Death Mask & is There A Doctor S P O I L E R IfeRae wrote: "Yes, she was perhaps more multi-dimensional in that regard (particularly in her trust of others), as opposed to Xena's (generally) steel-like focus on self-responsibility and control. Interesting view of "rationality." Still not sure if I understand how you're seeing Xena as "chaos" in that sense. Can you say a little more about that?" i think there is an asssumption that because Xena is the warrior and Gabrielle the artist that it is Gabrielle is the one ruled by emotion and Xena the one ruled by logic. Xena on the surface seems the one who lives with order and rationality. However when a crisis overcomes her reason flies out the window. We never see her intial reaction to Lycius's death but we do see the consequences, she takes up the sword abandons her home (in the guise of protecting it) and turns pirate. This is apparently an emotional response to her brother's death and mother's rejection. When Milia is killed her excessive grief causes her to become the amoral murder. In Chin her chance at redemption with Lao Mao is lost when in a fit temper she kills Ming Tien's father. In Haguchi she reacts to the villagers' attacks with a firestorm. Solan's death brings on a maniacle determination to punish Gabrielle. All these action may be executed in a logical or even rational manner but beneath the surface is chaos - the chaos of a woman ruled more by emotion than reason. Xena stives for order and rationality but she knows her potential for irrationality - in The Furies she even conteplates suicide because she fears the chaos within. Gabrielle on the other hand is the writer. Artists are by nature logical, analytical, and orderly. When an artist paints a picture or writes a verse he must order his thoughts, analyse his subject and his audience, and then logically present his art to make his point. Gabrielle does this all the time. Even if she makes wrong decisions her decisions are thought out and rational. She wants to keep Hope because babies are not born evil, people can change and they have free will and good influences can help people be good - these are logical arguments. Xena's counters those arguments with her gut feeling Hope is unredeamable. Xena was right but it wasn't based on rationality. When Gabrielle is poisoned with the arrow, Xena wants to save Gabrielle above all else. Gabrielle is the one that argues the greater good and convinces Xena to stay and fight the Persians. She cuts through Xena's emtional response to the crisis with quiet and determined logic. Gabrielle however I think often fights against her rational nature. Her philosphical search for faith in season five was in some ways a rebellion against her own rational bent. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:53:18 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Yahoo Xena prop auction Looks like the prop aution is about over (last day to bif 1/2/02) here's the addy: it's rather interesting. I got a couple of props and some are rather reasonable. Here's the addy http://user.auctions.yahoo.com/show/auctions?userID=itsawraphollywood&u=%3bit sawraphollywood CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:19:35 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Death Mask & is There A Doctor In a message dated 12/27/2001 7:16:04 PM Central Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > IfeRae wrote: > > "Yes, she was perhaps more multi-dimensional in that regard (particularly in > her trust of others), as opposed to Xena's (generally) steel-like focus on > self-responsibility and control. Interesting view of "rationality." Still > not sure if I understand how you're seeing Xena as "chaos" in that sense. > Can you say a little more about that?" > > i think there is an asssumption that because Xena is the warrior and > Gabrielle the artist that it is Gabrielle is the one ruled by emotion and > Xena the one ruled by logic. Xena on the surface seems the one who lives > with order and rationality. However when a crisis overcomes her reason flies > out the window. Strange as this may seem -- obvious as Xena's "chaos" is from your examples - -- I never looked at it quite that way before. Guess I focused more on Xena's "control" or attempt to "master" her chaos. Thanks! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:30:20 -0500 From: Venator Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Jacks Or Better In New York Fellow Xenites, Rob Mellette (Xenastaff/VCU) just sent me this update for his film screening in New York. If you want his backstory, check out the following digest: http://www.smoe.org/lists/chakram-refugees/v01.n037 Venator >As promised, here is the information for our New York Premiere: > >Tuesday, February 5th 6:10 pm at the Sutton 2 theatre, 205 East 57th >Street. > >I hope that, if you're in the New York area, you can make the screening. > >"Tautly written and briskly directed... this provocative, well-acted >feature debut from Robert Sidney Mellette shows promise for >helmer-scribe." (That's Variety-Speak for "Director-Writer") >--Lael Lowenstein, Variety. > >"There are certain taboo bridges you do not cross, this was one of >them." >--Jim Rosen, Honolulu Star-Bulletin > >WINNER: Best Screenplay, Dances With Films >WINNER: Best Feature under $500,000 > Best Screenplay > Audience Award > Best Cinematography (David M. Russell) > Best Ensemble (Jack Wallace, Nathan Anderson, Matt >Landers, Vincent Guastaferro, Meshach Taylor), Riverrun International >Film Festival ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:49:32 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] XWP insult in LOTR fan "review" > The movie's other major flaw was that the Uruk-Hai looked like a fugitive > from the Xena TV show. 7.5/10 > The above is from a negative (much harsher than the 7.5 rating implies) fan review of LOTR in the Internet Movie Database LOTR page. XWP is still being used by ignorant people as an insult. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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