From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #46 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, November 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Irritating.... blonde? [Thelonius > ["Cheryl ] [chakram-refugees] <> ["Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Irritating.... blonde? On Saturday 17 November 2001 03:15, Daniel T. Miller wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:07:32 -0500 Thelonius writes: > > Spoilers for > > > > > > And Ares has short hair.... he must have grown his trademark long > > hair soon after this. > > KS looked a lot like David Hasselhoff (the Baywatch guy) in that episode. > Ouch! I think Ares might have a thing or two to say about that comment.... and it would be painful for you, very painful. ;) T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:13:13 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] \Doubly/ ancient history Hi, TEXena wondered: >P.S.: Meredith, is among us refugees? They >sound interesting. I sent them an invitation in the original mailing, but the e-dress bounced back as no longer extant. If anyone has a new e-dress for these folks please send it my way. Thanks, ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:34:14 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ The Athenian Academy Of Performing Bards was the first clip show of the series. The story involves Gabrielle going off to a bards contest. This could have been a static narrative we have a clip show that tells an interesting story with a nice supporting cast. Dean O'Gorman (?) is very good as Orion aka Homer a young bard with a pushy stage father and the pack of friendly bards from a loquacious Euripidies to a hyperactive Stallonus are all well played. ROC is especially charming as she conives her way into the contest and makes sure the world gets to know Homer. Some nice moments. LL does a nice job of underplaying the role of big sister sending the kid sister off to college. Xena gets a little misty eyed and you know she will miss Gabrielle but there is no big emotional scene. At the end when Gabrielle returns also no big reunion just a satisfied smile from Xena that her friend has returned. Also there a nice scene where Gabby tells Homer to stop trying to gage his story to his audience reactions but to tell the story the way he wants (somehow that made me think TV studios who are always trying to figure out the audience want with focus groups and getting garbage instead of good entertainment, but I digress). Also I liked the opening scen where Gabby is telling a story and an audience member keeps poiting out inconsistancies - ummm why did that seem familar? Homer in TAAOPB kisses Gabrielle on the check and survives but not Petricles in For Few Dinars More. In this episode we go treasure hunting and we meet another of Xena's ex-lovers. Jeremy Roberts guest stars as a assassin and is nicely slimy. A few years latter a few pounds heavier he played Aiden in Paradise Found is slimy in a much different way. Oddly enough in a small part as a terrified village was the same actor who played the crazed soldier in PF. LL does a nice job of balancing a number of emotions. You can see she was hurt by Petricles's betryal and there's a touch of vulnerability. She also is Gabrielle's protector making sure she isn't hurt by the same man while not falling into the trap of making it seem like jealously. The just as being vulnerable and protective out pops the lethal and feral warrior. ROC also does a good job portarying a young woman out of her depth. It's the first time a man to whom she is attracted tries to seduce her. She knows the man is trouble and more importantly hurt her best friend. ROC does a nice job of portraying Gabrielle's confusion and a little guilt over this. Of course Gabrielle's problem is solved - Petricles kisses her, starts to care for her and is, of course, romptly dispatched by credits end. Anyway two good episodes. I also watched the Director's cut of FIN but I'll post later on that. CherylA We also met ambrosia for the first time. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:05:59 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> @ @ @ @ @ H.J.J. Hewitt wrote: ARE they? Lucy by her own admission is "recovering" from that condition.But both Raimi and Tapert, from all I've read, are from Jewish backgrounds. (If you have evidence to the contrary, please direct me to it.) Xena magazine Issue #1 November 1999 interview with Rob Tapert page 26. question: ... what is Tapert's take on the dvine? RT; "I was raised a Catholic and certainly left that behind ages ago" So he is a fallen away Catholic. I, however, have known many a fallen away Catholic and most never fall too far way. Tapert was married in the Church and I would take bets his son was baptised a Catholic. So perhaps his snip at the confessional was remanent of adolescent rebellion against the Church. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:06:34 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Shannon McMahon (LL) Call Sheet--x-files Hi, (X-Files spoilers ensue...) md forwarded: >fwded from flawless list, this site is a call sheet for the apparent >ending of . soooo, don't read it if you're >spoillergic. otherwise, it's great fun. Thanks for posting that!! I just checked it out now that the episode is over. Interesting. I really hope LL will be back on the show. She was excellent, and her character was very intriguing -- though one of my friends, a fellow _Dark Angel_ fan IM-ed me halfway through tonight's ep to exclaim "My god, she's an X5!!" To which I could only reply that she's got to be an X1, since she said she's the first generation and that's the only one without barcodes. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:49:33 -0600 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] LL in X-Files - Part II Oh God/dess. Oh bloody H**l. I thought I might throw up after watching that last scene. I am considering erasing the tape I saved it on, to be made to avoid watching it by anything in my subconscience that wouldn't know, for real, that these are not nice scenes. I love Lucy Lawless. But this bit of drama around death and dying and how people die and what producers believe they need to show us to ...what? "empower" a piece somehow? I have had enough of watching this kind of blood and gore. Gees, glad you all are here to talk about this with. If there is anyone out there who thinks that scene has any value, please explain it to me. There were some things in Xena that made me this sick. <> comes to mind. But then, they were actually talking about the realities of war and how horrible it is. And those scenes they used, folks, were an example. And I DO turn away alot, even watching Xena, from scenes which are too bloody. The way the killing is done in X-Files sometimes (from memory) is almost too quick, where the blood and suddenness is made to horrify us. I have had enough of horror. And I will say that in the last few years of Xena, it feels like the producers were getting away with the same thing there. Doesn't make me think well...about the real things out there that do horrify us. I once heard it said that people who put this kind of violence into their shows are also doing something to erase, or deal with, or whatever their own feelings about the horrors of death. I don't know, but maybe we've had enough of knowing what it looks like. If not before the last few months in this country (the US), then I am sure that lots of others in lots of other places have stories to tell that would horrify us just as much. I feel I am on a rampage here myself about how desperate I feel, sometimes, knowing what the world does to itself, to each other. And I can feel it. I don't need more pictures. Let's not say that this was one of the best uses of LL's acting ability. I hope she finds something more useful to put her talents to. I would LOVE to see that. It also is a little boring seeing her in another setting where she got to be really serious, naked, involved in lots of violence. I know that Lawless needed to put her acting career out there in something other than Xena. I suppose when there ARE LIMITED roles for women, there is a risk one takes when putting one's acting ability out there. I saw on the Oxygen interview (Thanks Lynn!) that Lucy Lawless would love to do things like a musical or play. I never got to see her in Grease in New York, but I wonder what her acting talent would be like in that setting. One of my favorite episodes was <>, where the actors got to use alot of campy humor. OK. I'm done with this now. Thanks for listening. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:00:46 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Shannon McMahon (LL) Call Sheet--x-files At 10:06 PM 11/18/2001 -0500, meredith wrote: >Hi, > >(X-Files spoilers ensue...) > > >md forwarded: > >>fwded from flawless list, this site is a call sheet for the apparent >>ending of . soooo, don't read it if you're >>spoillergic. otherwise, it's great fun. > >Thanks for posting that!! I just checked it out now that the episode is >over. Interesting. they followed it quite closely. i wasn't quite sure exactly what a "quick cut" was (as distinct from a simple "cut") but that was certainly a fine demonstration. falls in the "picture worth a thousand words" category! nicely done. > I really hope LL will be back on the show. She was excellent, and her > character was very intriguing really pretty much the only thing worth watching. and i say that as an x-files and GA fan. i was absolutely delighted to see her slip the bonds of xena in this one. it was marvelous. i can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must be after playing a character w/ so strong a characterization of voice, expression, gestures, inflection and stance for so long to shed all that and play someone else. i guess that's why she's an actor and i'm not. but it made me appreciate xena even more. just as renee's bit as "belle" made me appreciate gabrielle. it was nice to see lucy w/out xena's dark makeup. i'm looking fwd to having the tape so i can review it and then go back to xena better informed. i really was *very* pleased that they let her do what they did. i must say, though, that in the exceedingly brief time she and GA were actually on the set together i kept thinking: oh my god! GA and LL together at last. and how odd, too, for lucy after being the star of her own show to come into someone else's show and not be the focus of everything. i give her major kudos for not trying anything in the upstaging line, which i expect she could do. i liked the energy very much even in that brief interchange. here are two women between whom i wouldn't want to get. and it was great b/c iirc, lucy gets to play it way understated and controlled as shannon while GA is the one w/ the fierce energy. yet i imagined in that one scene where they kind of square off--was it in doggerel's apartment?--that those two characters could go head to head *very* nicely! GA does angry really well--she has the right nostrils for it. now what i'd really like to see is lucy do angry w/out doing xena! restrained anger. i also noticed on the fly that they managed not to show the differences in height between the two women. i wondered what they'd do about that. in the promo shot, i figured they just had LL and AG standing a good bit behind GA so she wouldn't look so short. in the show, they never did show them together in any way that would make the difference show to lucy's advantage--to give her character (or her as an actor) any heightened strength or visibility. interesting. > -- though one of my friends, a fellow _Dark Angel_ fan IM-ed me halfway > through tonight's ep to exclaim "My god, she's an X5!!" To which I could > only reply that she's got to be an X1, since she said she's the first > generation and that's the only one without barcodes. "you're too clever by half," as lord peter said to harriet vane. i stopped watching DA early in the first season and haven't gone back. i rather assume if lucy were going to be back to XF, we'd have heard by now. or not? it sounded very much as though they were trying to work something out and, as several reviewers noted, they certainly left the door open. surely we'd have heard by now and imo they'd have to make the character a much more integral part of several eps to make it very much worthwhile. it's not just a money thing surely. she's got money. it would have to be worth her while in terms of exposure. i'd watch x-files again if there were an arc equivalent to the xena eps w/ callisto--something where she had more lines and more opportunities for pushing her limits a bit more. i mean, how many wet shoots and resuscitations can one do before one wearies of it? as it is, that's probably it for me for the files. i'm glad lucy was on it but, as an x-phile, i wish they'd ended it when mulder left. i noticed that they did give us a glimpse of shannon pulling up her t-shirt and scully unwrapping her stethoscope before the veil of privacy was discretely drawn on the doctor/patient relationship. now don't *tell* me, dear reader, that that's not going to ignite at least a minor spate of uberfanfic. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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