From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #36 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, November 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 036 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Re: [Flawless] Re: Director's Cut of A Friend In Need [IfeRae@aol.co] [chakram-refugees] "FIN-plus" copying ["H.J.J. Hewitt" > and other rambling (OS) ["Chery] [chakram-refugees] RE: "FIN-plus" copying ["Lee Daley" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] << Heart Of Darkness>> and other rambling (OS) [me] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: "FIN-plus" copying [mirrordrum At 09:23 PM 07/11/2001 -0500, Thelonius wrote: > >Spoilers for <> and <> > > > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > >s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But I can quote you another ep where Xena rated the Greater Good as > >more important than her relation with Gabby - Sin Trade. She was > >all set to join Gabby in eternity and decided that beating Alti and > >releasing the Amazons was more important. In some ways a > >remarkably close parallel to FIN, since the Amazons were trapped > >'cos of Xena's actions.... compare them with the Higuchi ghosts > >and Alti with Yodoshi... somebody must have noticed this before? > > I did in my commentary on Whoosh. I compared FIN to how in AITST she would > have had a MUCH BETTER reason for staying dead. OK, here's where our different views of love, honor and the greater good get interesting. See, I thought Xena in Sin Trade chose to help the Amazons as a tribute to Gabrielle. Xena's selfish desire was to be with Gabrielle, but she felt that this would dishonor the "light" Gabrielle wanted so much for her to achieve. Don't hurt me, but that's also how I saw it in FIN. I just can't believe that's not what Gabrielle would've wanted for Xena too. Plus, Xena probably figured she could meet up with dead Gabrielle anytime she chose. Presumably, live Gabrielle could meet up with dead Xena anytime she chose. To me, Gabrielle was Xena's mirror. By living up to what she thought Gabrielle saw in her, Xena was demonstrating her love in the larger way they both exemplified, moreso than by dying to achieve personal happiness. This was far greater than a love story about two people. It was an epic romance where their love encompassed and was devoted to a higher purpose than their own happiness. They lived by that and were willing to die for it, which is why they were heroes to me. I don't want to get into the "sense" of all the situations they were ready to do that for. I'm disagreeing that Xena's actions in these two eps meant she was choosing the greater good over her love for Gabrielle. Now, if we're talking Gabrielle's *body* rather than spirit (in terms of demonstrating her love), that's a whole 'nother matter. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 03:04:01 -0600 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: [chakram-refugees] "FIN-plus" copying The original should be on its way to Lee Daley tomorrow. I don't know how many clients he has lined up, but be aware that even with everything being done 'at cost' he'll probably need to collect a bit extra from each to reimburse my $7. TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:53:03 -0600 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: [chakram-refugees] That Chicago Tribune X-Files article ran today! Thursday Nov. 8 Page 3 of the Tempo section. Lucy quotes. And that PR photo of the 3 X-files ladies. Anderson looking dwarfed between Gish and Lucy. (Scully sandwich! :~) Some spoilers. If you want to be completely surprised, don't read it until Sunday night! I'll see, if I can find an online copy. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:06:06 -0600 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Chicago Tribune Fw: `X' factor: Missing Mulder SPoilers! Spoliers! SPoilers! SPoliers! I'm serious! Really! Not that many, though. But if you don't want to know squat, stay away! - -------------------- `X' factor: Missing Mulder - -------------------- New casting takes paranormal cult hit in new directions By Allan Johnson Tribune television reporter November 8, 2001 The ninth-season premiere of Fox's "The X-Files" misses its Mulder factor, although it's a high-gloss, fast-paced two-parter with a neat guest-star turn from a Warrior Princess. Last season, FBI Special Agent Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) was searching for her alien-abducted partner, Fox Mulder (David Duchovny), while conducting an antagonistic new partnership with John Doggett (Robert Patrick). That partnership, which evolved during the season, combined with Mulder's eventual return to provide a new energy to the paranormal cult hit. In this season's premiere (8 p.m. Sunday and Nov. 18, WFLD-Ch. 32) only a body double of Mulder taking a shower in Scully's apartment exists. Duchovny isn't expected to appear at all this season, despite his character possibly being the father of Scully's baby. And Anderson might not be in every episode this season. It's hardly a substitute for the wisecracking, ironic and dedicated agent . . . and after several minutes, there isn't even that. "He's gone. He's just gone," Scully tells Doggett Sunday. And gone with him is the hip swagger that the character, through Duchovny's detached performance, provided "The X-Files." Scully, and then Doggett toward the end of the season, were only straight men for Mulder's cracks, unflinchingly illogical logic and obsessive desire for the truth. Quest for the truth We're left with Scully and Doggett to provide that determination in their quest to find the truth, although the Lone Gunmen characters played by Bruce Harwood, Tom Braidwood and Dean Haglund provide some laughs in the premiere. Among assorted issues in the opener: Doggett gets the same cold shoulder from other agents previously reserved for Mulder as he investigates Deputy FBI Director Kersh's (James Pickens Jr.) part in last season's finale, where the government's knowledge of an alien conspiracy resulted in assorted mayhem and death at FBI headquarters. Despite Scully's assertion that "my son is fine," she realizes he might not be as innocent as originally thought in last season's finale, when a bunch of aliens first wanted to abduct the child but later backed off. Meanwhile, two drowned EPA workers are connected to a former Marine who served in the same unit as Doggett, a plot that starts a new level of conspiracy in the mythology of the series. The former Marine is coolly played by Lucy Lawless of "Xena: Warrior Princess," who says she's "just running around with no clothes on" in the episode, thanks to some underwater scenes. Executive producer Frank Spotnitz says the producers, including creator Chris Carter, are fans of "Xena" and, when they saw there was an opportunity to create a new character for the show, they thought of Lawless. "It's a great `X-File-ish' kind of character," he adds, "where you won't be sure whether she is good or bad for some time." Uncertain future Lawless's character, Shannon McMahon ("Such an American name," Lawless says), could return -- although events in the Nov. 18 episode suggest otherwise. Lawless says she did the guest shot "for love" because she respects Carter. But "the others would have to make sense, and a business sense, if you know what I mean. . . . "I know the producers have been very good to me, and I would love to be good to them and their show," Lawless says. However, "you work like a dog for six years and being the star of your own little show. And to go and be a fifth wheel on somebody else's would have to be rewarding in a lot of ways." Augmenting the series somewhat is the earnestness of Annabeth Gish, who returns from a limited role last season to become a co-star this season as Agent Monica Reyes, a spiritual, open-minded sort who Spotnitz says brings "charm, intelligence and humor" to the role. According to the 30-year-old Gish: "I guess they want Monica to be open-minded and not necessarily a skeptic or a believer. And I think I kind of fall into that category. I'm pretty open and willing and interested to entertain certain possible explanations for things." Adds Spotnitz: "She's got a lot more lightness about her than we've come to expect from `X-Files' characters. . . . Monica is like an `X-Files' character in that she is smart and heroic and selfless. But she has so much humor and quirkiness and a slightly neurotic appealing quality about her that it changes the show and makes it something fresh and interesting." She's going to need it to make up for the loss of Mulder's dry, sarcastic wit. Otherwise, it's going to be a long season for "X-Files" fans. Where's the remote: CBS is airing the delayed anthrax episode of its CIA series "The Agency" at 9 p.m. Thursday on WBBM-Ch. 2. The network was to air the episode on Oct. 11 (the feds investigate a kennel in Washington, D.C., where the deadly disease is found). It was instead pre-empted when President Bush held a televised press conference. The episode was rescheduled for a few weeks later, but was pulled again after anthrax cases developed in New York, Washington, D.C., and Florida. CBS has extended "The Agency," which averages about 10 million viewers an episode, to the end of the season, despite intense competition from NBC's "ER." Once more for "Once More": The good news is if you missed "Buffy the Vampire Slayer's" entertaining musical episode "Once More, With Feeling" from last Tuesday, UPN is airing the segment again on Nov. 16. The bad news: The initial episode ran long by eight minutes; the repeat will be trimmed that amount. How about cutting the scenes in which Michelle Tractenberg tries to carry a tune? Tales from the wasteland: MTV's "The Real World" will begin production on its 12th season in January in Las Vegas; work starts on the 11th season of "Road Rules" in February, with six strangers roaming the southern United States. Both series will air next July. Meanwhile, "Real World's" 11th season, which wrapped production in Chicago earlier this week, is to premiere Jan. 15 on MTV. - - Ellen DeGeneres, so superb in hosting Sunday's tasteful Emmy Awards, can take solace in the show's being whupped by the seventh game of the World Series (39 million viewers to 17 million). CBS has asked for six more scripts for her ratings-challenged "The Ellen Show." - - The "Post Seinfeld" curse has hit ABC's Jason Alexander comedy "Bob Patterson," which was canceled by the network. - - Mr. Jennifer Aniston -- Brad Pitt -- makes a sweeps appearance on NBC's "Friends" Nov. 22, partly in a fat suit, in a flashback episode where Monica (Courteney Cox Arquette) runs into a formerly overweight high school chum. Copyright (c) 2001, Chicago Tribune - -------------------- Improved archives! Searching Chicagotribune.com archives back to 1985 is cheaper and easier than ever. New prices for multiple articles can bring your cost down to as low as 30 cents an article: http://chicagotribune.com/archives ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:04:50 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] << Heart Of Darkness>> and other rambling (OS) * * * * * * * * * I just watched Heart Of Darkness again and I had a question or observation. When Eve goes to the Temple to get the swords she says "the Heart often lies but a sword never does" Now isn't that a strange thing for Eve the pacifist to say. I think this indicates Eve was also affected by the hellhole and was developing a black soul. Also just saw Buffy's musical. Now Bitter Suit, however, I did see some influences. The attempt to handle or expose major plot points I think harkens back to Bitter Suit. Also the serious nature of the story also was influenced by Xena. Unfortunately the music was little thin except for the Walking Through The Fire number. Also they could used a few dubbed voices, although the actors who play Tara and Giles did a good job. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:19:36 -0500 From: "Lee Daley" Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE: "FIN-plus" copying Thanks TEXena! So far I have one confirmed customer, I figured that I'd take the stragglers. So let me know guys. As I said before I work on the barter system. A local 'relic' "Maine Moose Motel" or "Key West Boat Club" hat will be just fine. LeeD > -----Original Message----- > From: H.J.J. Hewitt [mailto:hjjh@mail.utexas.edu] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:04 AM > To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > Cc: leed@daleyenterprises.cncdsl.com > Subject: "FIN-plus" copying > > > The original should be on its way to Lee Daley tomorrow. I don't know how > many clients he has lined up, but be aware that even with everything being > done 'at cost' he'll probably need to collect a bit extra from each to > reimburse my $7. > > > TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:29:47 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: "FIN-plus" copying > Thanks TEXena! So far I have one confirmed customer, I figured that I'd take > the stragglers. So let me know guys. As I said before I work on the > barter system. A local 'relic' "Maine Moose Motel" or "Key West Boat Club" > hat will be just fine. > > LeeD I am getting an off the air one, but my source tells me that there was a very faint, very slow moving glitch. I quote: it's sort of a "flowing stripes" thing-- not easy > to describe (a bit like a horizontal aurora, maybe? it speeds up and slows > down and changes direction like the aurora, and it's faint so you can see > through it). > Maybe you should wait til you see it for yourself before you commit to > running off a bunch of copies, but I don't think it's bad enough to prevent > doing them My source is VERY finicky, so if she thinks it's okay, it probably is. Did anybody get a PERFECT copy? I'll run a copy when I got the original (this is one taped right off the air) and then let you guys know how it looks. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 23:01:09 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << Heart Of Darkness>> and other rambling (OS) Hi, Cheryl opined: >Also just saw Buffy's musical. Now Bitter Suit, however, I did see some >influences. The attempt to handle or expose major plot points I think harkens >back to Bitter Suit. Also the serious nature of the story also was influenced >by Xena. I think that's giving X:WP a bit too much credit. If anything, both Joss Whedon and TPTB were influenced by the same musicals when crafting their creations. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 23:27:14 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: "FIN-plus" copying i've got a copy taped from satellite. i didn't watch all of it but in the parts that i did watch, reception seemed fine. i did notice that the "director's cut" parts were of poorer quality than the rest of the ep. they were simply not as clear--looked as though there were vaseline on the camera. the images in ep we saw originally are crisp and then there are these intercut images that are slightly blurry. my tape comprises the director's cut, one of the x-chromosome eps and then the interview. i'm more than willing to ship it to anyone who wants to copy it but i don't absolutely guarantee that there were no glitches in reception b/c, as i say, i didn't watch it all. let me know. md At 06:29 PM 11/08/2001 -0900, KTL wrote: > > Thanks TEXena! So far I have one confirmed customer, I figured that I'd > take > > the stragglers. So let me know guys. As I said before I work on the > > barter system. A local 'relic' "Maine Moose Motel" or "Key West Boat > Club" > > hat will be just fine. > > > > LeeD > > >I am getting an off the air one, but my source tells me that there was a >very faint, very slow moving glitch. > >I quote: > >it's sort of a "flowing stripes" thing-- not easy > > to describe (a bit like a horizontal aurora, maybe? it speeds up and >slows > > down and changes direction like the aurora, and it's faint so you can >see > > through it). > > Maybe you should wait til you see it for yourself before you commit to > > running off a bunch of copies, but I don't think it's bad enough to >prevent > > doing them > > >My source is VERY finicky, so if she thinks it's okay, it probably is. >Did anybody get a PERFECT copy? > >I'll run a copy when I got the original (this is one taped right off the >air) and then let you guys know how it looks. > >KT >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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