From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #28 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, November 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Thelonius ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Thelonius ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [Thelonius ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Centaurs [Thelonius ] [chakram-refugees] Tapes ["Jackie M. Young" ] RE: [chakram-refugees] tapes ["Lee Daley" > [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Problems with Davis-Panzer Xena Videos [Ellie Mos] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> [mirrordrum > [meredith > [meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:47:19 -0500 "Lee Daley" wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thelonius [mailto:cr@orcon.net.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:30 PM > > > > QUESTION: There's a news item about the US Post Office's plan > > to bombard > > parcels with 'electron beams' to kill anthrax germs. > > > > What effect would that have on videotape? > > > > T > Probably screw them up. But it's the post office, by the time they put them > out for bid, actually get them, find out the low bid shit doesn't work, put > the installation out for bin, install them, train the personell to use them, > we'll all be long dead from Anthrax, but have our tapes. > > I would mark them plainly "Contents, Magnetic Media, Videotape" > That would only *encourage* them! Why not mark it 'Fragile' too and have them jump on it? ;-) Thelonius ... being cynical ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:25:35 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:14:21 -0500 (EST) Lynn W Ribaud wrote: > > QUESTION: There's a news item about the US Post Office's plan to bombard > > parcels with 'electron beams' to kill anthrax germs. > > > > What effect would that have on videotape? > > > > T > > As long as it doesn't heat the tapes past the Curie point (and > that is fairly high for iron), should be no problem. I'm a bit surprised > they aren't using gamma rays instead, though -- much more penetrating (but > they wouldn't affect the recordings, either). > > Lynn > > Thanks Lynn - that's a good reassurance. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:49:56 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:54:06 -0500 "Cheryl Ande" wrote: > @ > @Seasons 2-6 mentioned > @ > @ > @ > @ > @ > @ > @ > > Well still on track though I didn't know if I would get my two in this weekend > - very busy but luckily nothing very good on Sunday nights until X-Files > starts. > > Titans has the distinction of being one of the most popular episodes of the > first season (so says the USA poll on year). Whaaaaaa? I thought Titans was popularly supposed to be just about bottom of *everybody's* list.... Just shows, ya should never believe what you read on mailing lists.... ;-) > Also note Gabrielle's boyfriend survives. He, however, did not kiss her. I'm > of the opinion only her kiss leads to fatal consequences. Note Perdicus, > Joxer, and Xena kissed her and wound up dead. I don't remember if the Death > In Chains guy kissed her not but I will find out soon enough. > Yep, that's our Gab.... more deadly than a Black Widow spider, that girl ;-) > > Prometheus is a nice Hercules crossover. Mainly notable for the two headed > and four legged story that is quoted in numerous fanfic stories and also > introduces the concept of soulmates to the series. Gabrielle does kiss Iolus > and though he doesn't die in this episode he does bit the dust later on in > Hercules - no doubt part of Gabrielle's curse. BTW didn't Iolus seem too old > for Gabrielle? Any pretty good episode but the green eggmen still are > ludicrous. > > CherylA I quite liked that ep, for no particular reason.... it just seemd like pretty good fun. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:30:59 -0600 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Centaurs >> I just NEVER believed those centaurs as >> real creatures--I always saw the man in the horse. >> >> >> KT >Centaurs - good concept, but impossible to do convincingly, I think. > >T Okay, I guess I'm easily confounded, but to me the centaurs were so convincing as to be utterly baffling... e.g., the way the whole body seemed to move in sync. Even after I understood the process it still looked convincingly seamless. TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:48 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Centaurs On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:30:59 -0600 "H.J.J. Hewitt" wrote: > >> I just NEVER believed those centaurs as > >> real creatures--I always saw the man in the horse. > >> > >> > >> KT > > >Centaurs - good concept, but impossible to do convincingly, I think. > > > >T > > Okay, I guess I'm easily confounded, but to me the centaurs were so > convincing as to be utterly baffling... e.g., the way the whole body seemed > to move in sync. Even after I understood the process it still looked > convincingly seamless. > > > TEXena Well, I agree the actual effect was done well... though they always looked front-heavy to me (as TPTB acknowledged in H&H - 'centaurs have their weight on their front feet'). It was just the improbability of such a creature that I found it hard to accept. Curious, since I was quite happy with the flying horses in Rheingold or the angels' wings (sorry, ARCHangel!) in Heart of Darkness et al. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:38:03 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tapes LeeD roll-called: >1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. > >2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. - --I fall somewhere in between both categories (*nothing* is ever easy with me ;P ). Lynn will be taping one for me *just in case* I can't get an original locally (I don't hold out high hopes for that, since in the past local taping has been *screwed up* ;( ), but if it does work that I can get an original locally, then I'd be willing to do a few copies for others. ;) Or, if someone on the list wants to mail me an original, I can do some copies. And CherylA offered to keep track of the tapings earlier, but it looks like LeeD is doing that already?? Confused, but glad she's getting *something*, ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:35:05 -0500 From: "Lee Daley" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] tapes > -----Original Message----- > From: Thelonius [mailto:cr@orcon.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:27 PM > To: Lee Daley > Cc: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:47:19 -0500 > "Lee Daley" wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thelonius [mailto:cr@orcon.net.nz] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:30 PM > > > > > > QUESTION: There's a news item about the US Post Office's plan > > > to bombard > > > parcels with 'electron beams' to kill anthrax germs. > > > > > > What effect would that have on videotape? > > > > > > T > > Probably screw them up. But it's the post office, by the time > they put them > > out for bid, actually get them, find out the low bid shit > doesn't work, put > > the installation out for bin, install them, train the personell > to use them, > > we'll all be long dead from Anthrax, but have our tapes. > > > > I would mark them plainly "Contents, Magnetic Media, Videotape" > > > > That would only *encourage* them! > > Why not mark it 'Fragile' too and have them jump on it? ;-) > > Thelonius > ... being cynical Or mark it "Anthrax, Personal and Confidential" then they wouldn't scan it at all Lee ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:54:00 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> In a message dated 10/30/2001 5:46:59 PM Central Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Also note Gabrielle's boyfriend survives. He, however, did not kiss her. I' > m > of the opinion only her kiss leads to fatal consequences. Note Perdicus, > Joxer, and Xena kissed her and wound up dead. I don't remember if the > Death > In Chains guy kissed her not but I will find out soon enough.>> Don't forget Iolas. I didn't watch Herc much, but I understand Iolas No. 1 bit the dust. > > > > Prometheus is a nice Hercules crossover. Mainly notable for the two headed > and four legged story that is quoted in numerous fanfic stories and also > introduces the concept of soulmates to the series. Gabrielle does kiss > Iolus > and though he doesn't die in this episode he does bit the dust later on in > Hercules - no doubt part of Gabrielle's curse.>> LOL! BTW didn't Iolus seem too > old > for Gabrielle? Any pretty good episode but the green eggmen still are > ludicrous.>> What I hate, hate, hate about Prometheus is how Xena turns into a mushy sidekick -- reminiscent of her appearances in the trilogy. I kept shouting, "This is *your* show, dammit! Act like it!" I am soooo glad "the big guy" wasn't a frequent guest. (Sorry, Herc/Sorbo fans. Just one HMO.) - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:24:40 -0500 From: Ellie Moses Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Problems with Davis-Panzer Xena Videos hiyo sisters and brothers in xena--thanks to cousin liz who keeps old addys, i sent the following e-mail to studiosusa and the various other people we cc'd for the davis-panzer xena season 3 tapes problems. if, and when, i get a reply, i'll let you know so that if others are having similar problems you'll know to whom you can write and/or what action to take--if any. the first addy (feedback@studiosusa.com) is from the universal site and this was the way i originally reached roz nowicki when the first problem occurred with season 3 a couple of years ago. so i'm trying it again. just thought you might like to know. md >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:42:17 -0500 >To: feedback@studiosusa.com >From: Ellie Moses >Subject: Problems with Davis-Panzer Xena Videos >Cc: Marcy Jo Anderson , , >, , >, Claudia Nobles , >, Peter S. Davis > >dear persons, > >please excuse lower case, i'm physically impaired and shifting is difficult. > >i am one of a number of fans who are once again having trouble with >davis-panzer xena videos and their xena-hercules store. i'm writing to you >at studiosusa on the assumption that since you are the licensor for the >xena warrior princess videos, you have a financial interest in the >continued sales of your product. > >several years ago, many of us who purchased season 3 of the xena videos >had multiple problems with these sets which were copied over previously >used videos and we also had difficulty getting a response from the >frontline people at davis-panzer. thanks to roz nowicki of studiosusa and >marcy jo anderson of davis-panzer, most problems were solved with great >expediency to the satisfaction of the consumers. > >on the strength of this, i risked purchasing seasons 4 and 6 from >davis-panzer's xena-hercules store. i have been viewing season 4 and have >found one tape so badly overexposed that the episodes are almost >invisible. another tape has serious problems and will also need replacing. > >having heard a lot of grumbling online about davis-panzer service slipping >yet again, i returned only one of the tapes to the xena-herc store and got >a confirmation receipt. the package arrived and was signed for on october >1. getting no response, i called the xena-herc people this week and an >indifferent "customer service rep" (sic) informed me that my package (the >one i sent containing one tape) was not listed as having arrived. i >advised her that it had been signed for and i had the receipt. she said >that they have only one person handling returns and he just hadn't gotten >to it yet. this was approximately 28 days *after* they it was signed >for--so after 28 days, the receipt of the package had still not been >entered in the computer. > >so there are two problems. first, the quality of the davis-panzer tapes is >once again problematic. as a result, i'm reluctant to complete my xena >collection even though i have found that the tapes are also carried by >powerstar merchandising, a company to which many fans are switching >because of a better reputation of service reliability. > >the magnitude of the first problem (bad tapes) would not be so great if it >were possible to get replacements for said tapes with some amount of >dispatch and/or if personnel at the herc-xena store were responsive to >customer concerns. > >a number of people on-line are noting similar problems. many of us are >considering switching to powerstar but that won't solve the davis-panzer >problem. if we can't get replacement tapes from your distributors, and we >can't trust davis-panzer, we might as well tape the episodes from oxygen >and distribute them amongst ourselves. those of us who receive satellite >get quality that is as good as, or better than, what we're getting from >davis-panzer anyway. at present, we're certainly not getting what we pay for. > >i don't know if there's sufficient economic interest in the sale of xena >and hercules tapes on the part of studiosusa to make this an issue you're >willing to address once again. i do know that i'll be looking closely to >see who's making tapes and dvds for any shows for which i buy merchandise. >at this point, though i would like to own xena season 5 and to purchase >xena season 6 as a gift, i would be very reluctant to buy merchandise from >davis-panzer. > >if you do ever put xena on dvd, i hope you'll get someone else to >distribute it for you. > >respectfully, > >ellie moses >knoxville, tennessee Not in my name! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:58:44 -0500 From: mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> At 09:54 PM 10/31/2001 -0500, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >What I hate, hate, hate about Prometheus is how Xena turns into a mushy >sidekick -- reminiscent of her appearances in the trilogy. I kept shouting, >"This is *your* show, dammit! Act like it!" I am soooo glad "the big guy" >wasn't a frequent guest. (Sorry, Herc/Sorbo fans. Just one HMO.) indeed, indeed. well, i didn't fuss at lucy or xena about it. and it *was* before they had really established her bona fides as a scamp, a camp and a bit of a tramp (you know, a v*a*m*p*. . .VAMP). i had a similar reaction in when she says to gabrielle "if something happened to mother, or hercules. . .(and as an afterthought) or you. . ." however, since i hadn't seen the trilogy, i suppose i was somewhat biased. i just never could buy her with herc. brother/sister maybe but sexual healing? i think not. iolaus, yes. herc? no. nada. zip. zilch. for one thing, michael's a better actor then kevin, imo. better looking, better personality, better at stunts, more personality, looks great in a dress. . .what is it with me and short, blonde sidekicks, anyway? i will say that after watching the blooper tape, i learned to love the egg men. btw, does anybody who was around back in the day know if the egg men were supposed to be related to lucy in the sky? i mean, was that supposed to be a beatles homage? md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:07:26 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Hi, Ife remarked: >What I hate, hate, hate about Prometheus is how Xena turns into a mushy >sidekick -- reminiscent of her appearances in the trilogy. I kept shouting, >"This is *your* show, dammit! Act like it!" I am soooo glad "the big guy" >wasn't a frequent guest. (Sorry, Herc/Sorbo fans. Just one HMO.) I agree, though I can understand why it happened like that in a first-season ep. X:WP was, after all, a spinoff of H:TLJ, and for some reason there is a tradition of spinoffs which dictates that there must be frequent appearances by characters from the parent show. I don't know if the prevailing wisdom is that without such appearances nobody will watch the spinoff, or what. Seems kind of silly to me, but there you go. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:13:15 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Hi, md noted: >i will say that after watching the blooper tape, i learned to love the egg >men. btw, does anybody who was around back in the day know if the egg men >were supposed to be related to lucy in the sky? i mean, was that supposed >to be a beatles homage? Oh wow, I never thought of that. I hope it's true ... then I could learn to love the egg men, too! :) ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V1 #28 *************************************