From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #24 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] tapes ["Lee Daley" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans [Thelonius ] RE: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans ["Lee Daley" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Thelonius ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Tape Plan ["Jackie M. Young" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Sekhmet209@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans [Richan@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Letters of Thanks [MistNY@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [MelosaQu@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Hadley ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Hadley ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [Mirrordrum ] [chakram-refugees] <> Homage identified [Mirrordrum <] [chakram-refugees] <> Bits and pieces [Mirrordrum ] Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes [meredith ] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Bits and pieces [meredith > Bits and pieces [Mirrordrum Subject: [chakram-refugees] tapes We've been doing a lot of talking about this. And we're all such nice people everyone is deferring to everyone else. All well and good, but I'm thoroughly confused at this point. There are several reasons for this; A number of people are willing to make copies and even to trust the recipients for the minimal payment, but they have no access to an original. Only a few people, maybe only one, actually can get an original (not suprising with Oxygen's limited distribution). And virtually no one has actually said "I can't do squat but I'd like a copy". So it seems we need a roll call. With three categories. 1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. 2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. 3. I can't do squat, but I'd really like a copy. (Very few people have actually committed to this category) If everyone who cares would chime in with an E-mail for one of the three categories, we might be able to come up with a plan. Could we have a roll-call here. LeeD, Warrior Jester ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:23:13 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:01:12 -0400 "Lee Daley" wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org > > [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Thelonius > > > > Lemme see now... they thought crucifixion was an acceptable > > punishment for common or garden crimes and gladiatorial games > > in which people killed each other were just good spectator > > sport? ;-) > > > > Never mind our smug 20th-century hindsight, from the time of > > the atom bomb and global war, but just exactly what _was_ it that > > made the Romans so much more civilised than the barbarian hordes > > of their day? > > "The Rule of Law". Remember crucifiction was used for non-citizens, and > even they got what passed for a "fair" trial. Roman citizens were beheaded > and actually had some sort of appeals process. By todays standards, not much > of a distinction, but a major advance at the time. > > LeeD; Warrior Jester > Speaking as someone who's always on the side of the dissidents.... I don't regard that as necessarily a virtue at all. Why should Roman citizens have enjoyed special privileges over non-citizens? Blatant discrimination IMO. Remember also that history is always written by the victors... or maybe just those with the best records / propaganda departments... which in this case means effectively the Romans - and I'm as sceptical about the superiority of the Roman Empire as I am of the barbarity of the 'barbarians'. I have no doubt the majority of barbarians were pretty unenlightened by our standards.... but whether they were actually worse than the Romans, on the whole, is something I regard as doubtful. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:45:09 -0500 From: "Lee Daley" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans Thelonious wrote: > Speaking as someone who's always on the side of the dissidents.... > I don't regard that as necessarily a virtue at all. Why should Roman > citizens have enjoyed special privileges over non-citizens? Blatant > discrimination IMO. Well they didn't kill them outright on general principals as was the custom of the time. That's a start. Actually the Roman Empire was rather good at dealing with their subject populations. As long as they acknowledged to sovereignty of Rome they allowed a high degree of local self-government, religious liberty etc. That's why their empire lasted as long as it did. Give the Romans their due, they were supreme pragmatists, and had great organizational skills > > Remember also that history is always written by the victors... or maybe > just those with the best records / propaganda departments... which in > this case means effectively the Romans - and I'm as sceptical about the > superiority of the Roman Empire as I am of the barbarity of the > 'barbarians'. I have no doubt the majority of barbarians were > pretty unenlightened by our standards.... but whether they were > actually worse than the Romans, on the whole, is something I regard > as doubtful. That there was any great difference between the average "Roman on the Street" and the average "Barbarian on the Street" is unlikely. Certainly from a military history point of view, the average Roman Soldier was no braver nor more skilled than his opponent, but his organization was superior. That really was the genius of the Roman Empire, organization. And of course good publicity. LeeD > > T > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:49:17 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:45:09 -0500 "Lee Daley" wrote: > > > > Thelonious wrote: > > > Speaking as someone who's always on the side of the dissidents.... > > I don't regard that as necessarily a virtue at all. Why should Roman > > citizens have enjoyed special privileges over non-citizens? Blatant > > discrimination IMO. > Well they didn't kill them outright on general principals as was the custom > of the time. That's a start. Yes I'll concede that. > Actually the Roman Empire was rather good at dealing with their subject > populations. As long as they acknowledged to sovereignty of Rome they > allowed a high degree of local self-government, religious liberty etc. > That's why their empire lasted as long as it did. Give the Romans their > due, they were supreme pragmatists, and had great organizational skills > Yes, I'll give them credit for that too. Damn, I'm starting to sound like the Palestinian Resistance Forces in Monty Python's Life of Brian... "This Committee utterly condemns the Roman Empire, except for the roads, and the plumbing, and the public buildings, and...." > > Remember also that history is always written by the victors... or maybe > > just those with the best records / propaganda departments... which in > > this case means effectively the Romans - and I'm as sceptical about the > > superiority of the Roman Empire as I am of the barbarity of the > > 'barbarians'. I have no doubt the majority of barbarians were > > pretty unenlightened by our standards.... but whether they were > > actually worse than the Romans, on the whole, is something I regard > > as doubtful. > > That there was any great difference between the average "Roman on the > Street" and the average "Barbarian on the Street" is unlikely. Certainly > from a military history point of view, the average Roman Soldier was no > braver nor more skilled than his opponent, but his organization was > superior. That really was the genius of the Roman Empire, organization. And > of course good publicity. > > LeeD Hmm yes... true. But I can't help thinking that if the Roman Empire was around now, we (or at least those outside it) would probably regard it as a military dictatorship and the greatest evil in the world.... I guess it depends on views of 'freedom' and stuff like that, which are all very subjective anyway. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:55:51 -0500 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:31:13 -0400 "Lee Daley" wrote: > We've been doing a lot of talking about this. And we're all such nice > people everyone is deferring to everyone else. All well and good, but I'm > thoroughly confused at this point. There are several reasons for this; A > number of people are willing to make copies and even to trust the recipients > for the minimal payment, but they have no access to an original. Only a few > people, maybe only one, actually can get an original (not suprising with > Oxygen's limited distribution). And virtually no one has actually said "I > can't do squat but I'd like a copy". > > So it seems we need a roll call. With three categories. > > 1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. > > 2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. > > 3. I can't do squat, but I'd really like a copy. (Very few people have > actually committed to this category) > > If everyone who cares would chime in with an E-mail for one of the three > categories, we might be able to come up with a plan. > > > Could we have a roll-call here. > > LeeD, Warrior Jester I can only copy PAL. I think I'm set up OK for an NTSC copy, which I can view, but the only time I tried copying from NTSC to PAL it didn't work - my VCR's wouldn't talk nicely to each other. If anyone can supply a PAL-converted copy, and anyone else wants PAL copies, I can make them. Sorry for the limited offer. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:15:22 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tape Plan On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, KTL wrote: > > I'd suggest using First Class if it's just one tape; more than that, > > Priority is cheaper. So a single tape, depending on the weight of your > > packaging, will only be about $2.41 or $2.64 for postage. > > Yeah, but the selling point for me is that the priority box from the > post office is free so the TOTAL cost of packaging and mailing is $3.50. - --I forgot to mention that, like Lynn, I get *free* used bubble envelopes from work, so packaging is not a problem for me. ;) I'm *big* on recycling, so I can mail you a bunch to use, if you wish, just LMK. ;) > The delivery time does take longer from up here--priority mail gets put on > the planes before first class gets to go. It takes about a week or so to > get first class letters between the smaller cities of the east coast and > here. Even express mail takes longer--whenever you pay for the Post - --I'm also in one of the two "extraneous" states (Hawai'i), so I agree, First Class does take about a week, but sometimes, depending on generating location, can only take 3-4 days. Depends on the P.O.'s *mood*. But I might also mention that I've had Priority Mail packages arrive here *outside* of the 3-4 day period, so it really depends. ;P In any case, the difference in amount of time is only by a few days. Nothing to really have a *heart attack* over, IMO. ;) > Yeah, what surprised me was one week I sent out two tapes on the same > day. And the tape to New Zealand arrived before the one to California - --I've sent tapes to my friend in *Japan*, and it only took 5 days, about the same time or *less* than it takes to the East Coast! ;P Anyway, each to his/her own, but just MO. ;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:23:44 EST From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes In a message dated 10/28/01 12:36:14 AM, leed@daleyenterprises.cncdsl.com writes: >So it seems we need a roll call. With three categories. > >1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. > >2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. > >3. I can't do squat, but I'd really like a copy. (Very few people have >actually committed to this category) > >If everyone who cares would chime in with an E-mail for one of the three >categories, we might be able to come up with a plan. > > >Could we have a roll-call here. I've made private arrangements to supply an original to one of the people who has volunteered to make copies, so if something goes wrong with md's tape the list will still be covered (assuming nothing goes wrong with my tape too!). I'd volunteer to make copies, but it looks like there are plenty of people to do that already (which is a relief because I have copying obligations elsewhere-- i.e. on one of the other lists I posted the FIN announcement to). - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:13:25 EST From: Richan@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CJ Cherryh on Romans Thelonius writes: << But I can't help thinking that if the Roman Empire was around now, we (or at least those outside it) would probably regard it as a military dictatorship and the greatest evil in the world.... >> The other day I was chewed out by a friend at work for using the Tom Clancy novel, EXECUTIVE ORDERS, to explain how political motivation works in middle eastern nations today. So today I'm going to get chewed out for using an alternate reality commercial to suggest whether Roman culture was a great evil or not. The commercial takes place in the United States. City skylines alert us to that fact. There is a parade going on. Citizens are cheering. Confetti is falling. Then we see who is being cheered -- a Roman-like leader in ceremonial armor. It is a politician traveling by motorcade surrounded by a secret service-like organization. The commercial brings modern day sensibilities to an ancient culture thereby making it accessible to current day viewers. A bit like Xena one might even say. And sometimes that is all that one can hope for. To catch a glimpse of someone else's culture is difficult especially if it is geographically or historically remote. Both examples though impress on one that white is white, black is black, and that gray is often the predominate color chosen by politicians. Richan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:19:56 EST From: MistNY@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Letters of Thanks TNovan has begun to collect email letters that will be forwarded on to the fire fighters, police, and rescue workers who have been working in New York and Washington since September 11th. If you'd like to send a note of thanks to any of these groups, you can do so by sending it to the following e-mail address: NationalThanks@aol.com I hope you will take a few minutes to participate. The rescue workers continue with the herculean task of recovery and clean up, and it is important to let them know that they have our gratitude and that they are still in our thoughts. Best, Mist http://sword-and-staff.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:22:29 EST From: MelosaQu@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes >>In a message dated 10/28/2001 0:36:14 AM EST, leed@daleyenterprises.cncdsl.com writes: So it seems we need a roll call. With three categories. 1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. 2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. 3. I can't do squat, but I'd really like a copy. (Very few people have actually committed to this category) If everyone who cares would chime in with an E-mail for one of the three categories, we might be able to come up with a plan.<< I am in the 3rd category of not being able to do squat (I can't get Oxygen and I don't have a second VCR that works properly), but I would really love a copy of this episode with the added extra minutes. Any kind soul out there that could help me out with this, I would be thrilled to no end! :-) Thank you. Kim ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:05:03 +0000 From: Hadley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes >2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. Once I move back to the USA in December, I have the equipment to make copies and don't mind making them. One drawback to this, it's still a month and a half away. *g* Cheers, Hadley - -- The ScullyXenaverse A perfect marriage between Xena and The X-Files http://ewlyn.hispeed.com/scullyxena Look for Ryan's Guide to the Joxerverse - open now! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:30:07 +0000 From: Hadley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes >I think I'm set up OK for an NTSC copy, which I can view, but the >only time I tried copying from NTSC to PAL it didn't work - my VCR's >wouldn't talk nicely to each other. > >If anyone can supply a PAL-converted copy, and anyone else wants PAL >copies, I can make them. Sorry for the limited offer. Being in the UK right now and having purchased almost as many PAL formatted videos as I have NTSC, my husband and I plan to purchase a VCR when we get back to the US which plays all 5 video formats. As far as I can tell, it should be able to tape in any of the 5 from any VCR. So, equally, I should be able to convert NTSC to PAL in the future, but when that will be, I'm not entirely sure. Hopefully by February 2002 at the latest. So, if all else fails, I should be able to help in February. My NTSC and PAL VCRs I have now don't play nice either. Cheers, Hadley - -- The Lost Scrolls Unlocking the untold tales of Xena: Warrior Princess http://lostscrolls.tripod.com Open now and looking for Bards ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:48:04 -0500 From: Mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes At 01:31 AM 10/28/2001 -0400, Lee Daley wrote: >So it seems we need a roll call. With three categories. >1. I can get an original, and I'm willing to share. >2. I can't get an original, but I'll make copies. >3. I can't do squat, but I'd really like a copy. (Very few people have >actually committed to this category) >If everyone who cares would chime in with an E-mail for one of the three >categories, we might be able to come up with a plan. > >Could we have a roll-call here. 'kay. *i'm* making an original tape. oxygen says they'll be airing the post-series interview w/ lucy after the eps air so i'll just let it roll. it's a pretty lame interview, but it's lucy. my tape will be sent to lynn ribaud (unless lynn tells me otherwise), who would appear to be the most likely person to be able to get it STAT and has good equipment. now folks, what you'll get is going to be a tape *with commercials* as i don't want to run the risk of cutting any part of this. and anyway, sometimes they do cool xena stuff during the commercial breaks. there's nothing i can do about the crawly nattering at the bottom whatever that's called. just FYI--my computer is giving me problems and i'm expecting it to crash any minute. eudora's eating my e-mail from time-to-time so if i don't answer mail, it's prolly in the shop or eudora may have eaten your post. it's been doing that of late. naturally, none of this will affect my plan to tape the eps. i'm not going to volunteer to make lists and do organizational things for personal reasons as well as reasons of questionable e-mail ability. i'll just take care of the taping, if the gods are willing and the creek don't rise. however, if there are too many people wanting copies for lynn to want to do them all, i'm perfectly willing to have the original go on to leeD for another set of copies. just consider me the source. md--standing at ease and cracking her other ankle on the chair leg. i am so not cut out for drill squad. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:32:25 -0500 From: Mirrordrum Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> Homage identified SS for very little spoilage / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / e'er since first i saw this ep the line when anthrax slaps frankus on the shoulder and says "easy action there, fella." i've been trying to place the "easy action" source. i haven't seen it mention anywhere else so, since i FINALLY figured it out, i claim it. it's from early on in "west side story!" i listened to the record from the broadway show endlessly as a young person. the jets are meeting and action wants to rumble with the sharks. he's kind of going off and riff (russ tamblyn in the movie--i forget who played riff on b'way) grabs his shoulder and says "easy, action." lovely lift, liz! how nice. i have time for even more trivial pursuits in xena than ever before, what with no new eps until X-files. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:37:51 -0500 From: Mirrordrum Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> Bits and pieces mild spoilers for / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / just picking up oddments here and there. i was watching the first part of today and noticed a number of things that had never struck me before. if others have mentioned them, please excuse. i really love the opening tavern scene with the food dialogue. now that's my kind of subtext. it's so xena--it shows a consistent part of her. as much as she's changed, she'd still want the lion's share when it came to food. and it also subtly shows the change in gabrielle who now says forcefully "you're not getting my food" as well as the old gabrielle "i'm relishing it!" and then when xena comes back, trying to "fix it" by offering xena her food. now if that doesn't look and sound just like a long-term xena relationship, i'll eat my sais. of course, why xena thinks the portions are small when there's a huge mound of what look like tostadas with ground beef on a platter in the middle of the table is not clear. in re: gab's journey after xena they do some really nice fades (is that the correct term?). there are a whole series of them that i'd just not ever studied closely before that make a marvelous transition and really give me the sense of time *and* distance covered. got me to thinking about how passages are conveyed (aside, of course, from writing "35 years later" across the bottom of the screen). in that segment, gabrielle is reading xena's SWAK note--close up on gab which fades into her riding across the screen toward the fading closeup of her own face. this fades to a huge moon which fades to several shots of her writing in her scroll (all with voice over). then shot of her writing fades to a large sun. gab rides out of the fading shot of the sun to center screen (long shot where she meets two people) and this fades to a sunset w/ the sun on our screen left. another series of shots of gab writing and sitting wrapped up, fade to a moon shot back to gab wrapped up and then there's a splendid sunrise shot with the sun rising just to screen right. as this shot fades, gab is faded in riding out of the place where the sun was. it's really beautifully done! and a technical question: is this the work of the editor? producer? cinematographer? director? everybody? i recognize at least some of the recycled file footage for the suns and moons but who does the putting together of the final piece? another thing i hadn't noticed and don't remember reading about is that brunnhilde is skulking around right where gab ties up her horse in the village--or, well, in the next shot. another person with gabdar? why does she start following her so soon and keep lurking about? then she pops up when the man with the tapestry has a sudden el choko of the brain and can't remember that valkyrie's name. happens to me all the time--oh, you know, that warrior princess, the one with black hair and blue eyes. . .strange name. . .slips my mind at the moment. oh well. uh-huh. and one last bit about that i never managed to make when it aired. xena's comment to odin "you can't escape the struggle. . .ya got to embrace it" (a recurring theme of hers) is an interesting twist on both taoist and buddhist spiritualities: resonant approaches directed toward completely contrary ends. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:36:27 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] tapes Hi, Lee ordered: >Could we have a roll-call here. Keeping score: it looks like we've got two sources for originals (KTL and md), and two tapers: Lynn and LeeD. I'm getting my copy from Lynn, so I'm all set ... it looks like it's just a matter of those wanting a copy to get in touch with Lynn and/or LeeD, right? ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:37:49 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Bits and pieces Hi, md wondered: >and a technical question: is this the work of the editor? producer? >cinematographer? director? everybody? i recognize at least some of the >recycled file footage for the suns and moons but who does the putting >together of the final piece? My guess is it's the work of the editor, going off of suggestions by the director, possibly from directions in the script. But the editor should take the credit for how it all comes together and works so well on the screen, I should think. This is just a guess, though, with no official information to back me up. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:26:16 -0500 From: Mirrordrum Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> Bits and pieces At 09:37 PM 10/28/2001 -0500, meredith wrote: >Hi, > >md wondered: > >>and a technical question: is this the work of the editor? producer? >>cinematographer? director? everybody? i recognize at least some of the >>recycled file footage for the suns and moons but who does the putting >>together of the final piece? > >My guess is it's the work of the editor, going off of suggestions by the >director, possibly from directions in the script. But the editor should >take the credit for how it all comes together and works so well on the >screen, I should think. > >This is just a guess, though, with no official information to back me up. an informed source advised me in private that it's the editor who probably gets directions like "show time passing" and just takes it from there. so right you are. you'd think i'd know this kind of thing by now, but i don't. so i ask. it's still all a wonderful mystery to me how these things come together. md md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V1 #24 *************************************