From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #12 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] << Dreamworker & Cradle Of Hope>> [NZJester > [Thelonius > [Thelonius ] [chakram-refugees] Re: [NewXenaland] XWP mix and match scenery {was Re: Rock discovered on mountainside [] Re: [chakram-refugees] LL on EW 10/5/2001, p. 141 [Hadley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << Dreamworker & Cradle Of Hope>> At 10:12 PM 15/10/2001 -0400, meredith wrote: >_Dreamworker_ was obviously a seminal episode that was turned to many times >as the series went on. It's a "canon" episode, that helped set the >framework for the characterizations and mythology of the series. (It's one >of my all-time faves too -- I've been having a hard time distilling my >favorite 12 down for the Whoosh! poll...) > >> One is example is in ONE AGAINST AN ARMY, when Gabrielle basically says she >>accepted the consequences of traveling with Xena -- in that case, that one >>might die before the other. > >Another "canon" episode, which referred back to the previous episodes as >much as it provided subsequent setup for later episodes. (And gee, another >one of my all-time faves. :) I can only say that Dreamworker is my favorite I would have a though time cutting the list of Eps down to my all time favorite twelve as well after Dream worker I would have to say my favorites eps are Season one up to but excluding the last season and the only reason I say excluding the last season is " I have not seen any of that season yet!!!!!!!!!!!!! " Catch ya later Jester New Xenaland http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/newxenaland/ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:27:03 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << Dreamworker & Cradle Of Hope>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:00:38 -0400 "Lee Daley" wrote: > Richan wrote > > Thelonius writes: > > > > << > > Cradle Hope has a number of interesting things in it. > > > > > > To include the damn "BABY TOSS" that every talk show used as one of the > > > clips. > > > > > > > Actually, before that there was a pig-tossing episode on Hercules... > > >> > > > > Yea, but they didn't use it as the intro clip on every talk show for two > years. Maybe pigs don't have the same charisma. I think maybe there was a damsel-in-distress-tossing ep even before that, but I can't remember the details. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:23:56 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: [XenaGuard] NEWS FLASH: Rock discovered on mountainside Thanks for saying so! And it was fun doing it! Actually, most of those locations are still exactly the same... the ones that will have changed most are the indoor studios (gone) and the 'permanent' outdoor sets at Sturges Road (gone) and Lion Park (which, if they're still there, probably won't be for much longer.) But the 'locations' are often in parkland or rural land far enough away from the city to be fairly safe from much 'development'. T On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:10:56 -0500 "Laconia" wrote: > I really liked comparing the shots of Xena scenes with the photos of those places > the way they are today. Thanks for letting us in on the fun! > > > > Thelonius wrote: > > > Yes it's true. The intrepid staff of the NewXenaland site, who sometimes have > > trouble discovering their own feet, have found a rock on the slopes of Mount > > Ruapehu. > > > > Observed only by NSA spy satellites and a Scottish mountain biking tourist, the > > NewXenaland research staff, numbering one obsessive individual who has no life, > > spent a morning clambering up and slithering down the mountainside in the hot > > sun, clutching a handful of printouts and comparing them with most of the > > 3,279,687 rocks littering the area. > > > > There are now three positively confirmed and identified rocks which have been > > seen in the Sin Trade episodes. These are real rocks made of ...... umm, > > rock, and the property of Tongariro National Park, not the RenPics special > > polystyrene foam lightweight models which were sold at the auction. > > > > Those on this list who also have no life can view them at the updated page of > > the NewXenaland site > > http://cr01.orcon.net.nz/nx/ruapehu.html. > > > > T > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: XenaGuard@onelist.com > > Subscribe: XenaGuard-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: XenaGuard-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: XenaGuard-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/XenaGuard > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: XenaGuard@onelist.com > Subscribe: XenaGuard-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: XenaGuard-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: XenaGuard-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/XenaGuard > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:19:17 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] << Dreamworker & Cradle Of Hope>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:23:08 -0400 "Lee Daley" wrote: > > > > > > Hah! I woulda abandoned the show early in the piece if the > > Irritating Blonde > > _hadn't_ bit the dust ;-) > > > > Thelonius > > Different strokes for different folks. There was definately a journey for > both women. Without this growth it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. > There are always a few that disagree with change. > > LeeD Lemme see, Ven never allowed 'me too' posts did he? OK, moi aussi! T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:35:09 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Spoiler Space Question On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:06:18 +0000 "~* Megaera *~" wrote: > >From: Thelonius > >To: ~*Megaera*~ > >CC: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Spoiler Space Question > >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:44:34 -0400 > > > > > > >Yes, I think that would be enough for the older episodes.... > >but I'm inclined to think spoiler space as well would be > >merited for the last couple of seasons. I know of fans > >in the UK for instance who really do _not_ know what's > >happened (other than in a very general way) in the final > >season. > > > >T > > I actually don't understand the purpose of spoiler space. If the episode is > in the subject line, then people don't have to read it. For those on > digest, they have to scroll by it anyway. Even if in the subject line it > says spoilers for, etc., it doesn't have to be read. It just seems to take > up a lot of unnecessary space. But since it has been this way for quite > some time, I don't know that a change would be in order. Although I > wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of beginning a discussion halfway down > the page. > > ~Meg > The reason is this: In many mailreaders, as you step down the list of emails (or even select one to shift to a 'spoilers' folder or delete it) the contents of each email flashes up in the text window. And it is VERY hard to not read something which has just flashed in front of your eyes. That's why spoiler space was instituted. It may 'take up space' on screen but it doesn't take up much bandwidth in transmission since it only uses one character plus one linefeed per blank line. T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:01:01 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Spoiler Space Question On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:50:19 -0400 "Lee Daley" wrote: > > Apparently there are people whose mail shows automatically, without their > > clicking on a subject. Someone more versed than I will have to > > say how many > > services do that or which ones. > > > Micro$oft's Outlook is one of them, in the default configuration. However > in these days of e-mail worms, anyone who leaves it that way has more to > worry about than an episode being spoiled. > > Just a thought. > > LeeD Yeah, but we don't all run Micro$oft products (so may be fairly safe from email worms) but still may have email programs that show the contents of each automatically. Such as Kmail for KDE/Linux. (There are about 20 different email readers available for Linux/Xwindows, I don't know how many for M$ Windoze but probably just as many.....) T ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:27:56 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Spoiler Space Question > I actually don't understand the purpose of spoiler space. If the episode is > in the subject line, then people don't have to read it. For those on > digest, they have to scroll by it anyway. Even if in the subject line it > says spoilers for, etc., it doesn't have to be read. It just seems to take > up a lot of unnecessary space. But since it has been this way for quite > some time, I don't know that a change would be in order. Although I > wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of beginning a discussion halfway down > the page. > > ~Meg I needed spoiler space because my e-mail just opens one post after the other. It doesn't go back to the index with the list of names of senders and subjects but just jumps right into the body of each message. My system does not allow automatic filtering so I couldn't set it to watch for the <> designation and thus save myself from unexpected spoilage. I am also a very fast reader and would blast right into the first line of each message. And had gotten spoiled in the past because spoiler space wasn't used. Spoiler space creates a visual "heads up" that I really appreciated and needed. Also, there were new fans joining the Xenaverse all the time--right up until the end. Just the other day one of the lists had a request for help from a new fan in getting all the previous season's eps on tape. Since reruns had been on the sci-fi channel which is a cable channel, it's obvious that not everyone has access to them. And so could easily be spoiled by discussions of any ep. Perhaps we have no newcomers on this "refugee" list. I don't know, but I tend to alwasy try to use spoiler subject lines and spoiler space and probably will continue to do so unless we decide not to. However, as someone mentioned we tend to talk themes at times, especially now that the series is over and it is sometimes hellacious to try to remember to list all the referenced eps in the spoiler warning line. Very often I'm talking about say season five and next thing ya know Xena's relationship with her mother as seen in "The Furies" gets dragged in too. Personally I don't think we need the 15 or so traditional spaces with little markers to hold each space for those folks whose servers don't recognize bland lines. Just the words "Spoilers for..." and a few spaces would work for nerds like me. Of course this nerd has seen all th eps. I don't know if anybody currently on the list has not. Or if we will get new members or not. Shrug. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:32:25 -0400 From: Thelonius Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: [NewXenaland] XWP mix and match scenery {was Re: Rock discovered on mountainside On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:18:57 +1300 "Carolyn S" wrote: > Congratulations on a momentous geographic find Thelonius!!!! They don't do > knighthoods any more do they??? The only knight I was ever introduced to had it taken away shortly afterward... so maybe it's better they don't ;-) > I was checking out the NewXenaland Ruapehu page. > > Is there still a mystery about the Debt battle plain? Yes, there is as far as I'm concerned. > It's just that I recall someone saying they thought the plains in The Debt > are somewhere over Helensville way. > > Now, sometimes XWP does a mix and match number with the scenery.... eg > Southern mountains superimoposed as a backdrop to those sand dunes by Lake > Wainamu.... so is it possible they used North Auckland plains in the > foreground of The Debt and National Park in the background? > > Carolyn S > I was about to say: The answer to that is, almost certainly not IMO. I know they do a mix & match number on occasion - most noticeably with the 'love on horseback' scene where the foreground is the Waiti dunes at Bethells and the background is Ruapehu - but I'm sure they didn't in the battle scene for The Debt for several reasons. One is the extensive scenes of the battle with the slopes of Ruapehu behind - it would have required a *lot* of CGI work by Flat Earth. Also, the background blends into the foreground so well.... in the 'Love on Horseback' scene, with hindsight, you can see fairly easily where they made the join. The other reason I doubt Helensville is, that wherever they filmed it, the ground was dry and dusty with a lot of dry yellow tussocky grass. That's high country to me - certainly not the Helensville area which tends to be soggy and wet and green. Even in late summer it would never reach the golden brown colour of the Rangipo Desert by Ruapehu. I can't see Flat Earth managing to colour match that without screwing up all the rest of the colour in the scene. I could be wrong about that, of course. HOWEVER, having said that, it could possibly be somewhere else, not Helensville but down around the mountain (or on the Napier Taupo Road for example where they filmed Amazon High) with Ruapehu CGI'd in... that would give the right colour foreground AND explain why I can't find it anywhere near Ruapehu :) Now, would anyone on this list who's into such things care to take some screenshots from their Debt tapes and blow them up on screen and see if they can spot the joins? I've looked at one and it seems possible but could be just my imagination.... Another thing would be to compare the background (in some of the other shots where Ruapehu isn't visible), with Amazon High (Lifeblood) and see if it matches.... I can see I'm gonna be busy ;-) Thanks for the suggestion. T (I've copied this to the other lists to see if any expert pixel-snoopers want to take up my suggestion of looking for the joins - if any...) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:56:40 +0100 From: Hadley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] LL on EW 10/5/2001, p. 141 >At 08:37 PM 10/13/2001 -1000, Jackie M. Young wrote: >>But something tells moi that LL probably won't become a *regular* on >>X-Files. ;P I know the answer to this one! :) Lucy was hired to play a character in the two-part series premiere of The X-Files and the show's executives have been since dropping hints that she will likely be in 4 more episodes. Possibly more. Maybe less. The X-Files is notorious for introducing new characters on the show which are meant to appear in but a few episodes and then having them become regular parts of the show, so I think it really depends on if they have a story line they want to work her character into more. From the sound of things, they do. This was up on cinescape.com in case anyone missed it. (It contains spoilers for the XF season premiere so I'm including a spoiler space): S P O I L E R * * * When the ninth season of THE X-FILES starts up next month, not only will the series be minus David Duchovny, but ex-XENA Lucy Lawless will be making the first of two scheduled guest appearances. While talking to Ian Spelling's Inside Trek & Sci Fi syndicated column, Lawless was asked if she could give some details of her role. Nervously, she replied, "What can I tell you about the two episodes? I feel like Chris Carter will come after me and I'll end up with bloody cement boots on my feet, at the bottom of the ocean, if I tell you too much. But she finally comes clean, saying, "My character, Shannon McMahon, reenters Doggett's life. They used to be in the military together - in my back story they fought in Beirut - and now she's causing a great deal of trouble. You don't know if she's good and you don't know if she's bad. She seems to be both things at once. She adds, "McMahon also is bearing tidings, not entirely of gladness and joy, for Scully's baby...And I spent half my time naked." On the latter point, she notes, "Why not, if it looks good on screen? Of course, you don't see anything except my well-endowed body double. Let's just say the character's a bit of a water baby, a water babe. She's a nymph." As for further appearances on the series, Lawless says, "My being back, it remains to be seen. All I can say is that I had a stupendously good time working with those people, and it was immensely challenging... I spent three nights underwater, breathing from an aqualung, so it was very challenging stuff. But I'm open to coming back if they invite me to do so." Cheers, Hadley - -- The ScullyXenaverse A perfect marriage between Xena and The X-Files http://ewlyn.hispeed.com/scullyxena Look for Ryan's Guide to the Joxerverse - open now! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: [chakram-refugees] The final word on spoiler space Hi, Before this descends too far down the road of mail program geekery: As I posted yesterday, please provide spoiler space in posts for the last half of the series (Seasons 4-6). For posts related to earlier episodes, a line up top covering roughly which episodes/arcs are mentioned should suffice. As far as I know everyone here has seen at least the first three seasons (please correct me if I'm wrong), so this should cover us nicely. I will add this information to the list rules once I get home and have access to my smoe.org mail. If there are any questions or concerns about this policy, please e-me privately. Thanks! Meredith@work meth@smoe.org Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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Very often I'm talking about say season five and next thing ya know Xena's relationship with her mother as seen in "The Furies" gets dragged in too. >> Yes, this is even more of a problem for me now that some of us have seen the whole body of work. Mind you, I still enjoy posts about particular eps, even if they rehash old (for me) discussions. There's almost always something new. But talking about them in hindsight reminds me of people, places, comments, events, etc. that were in eps I can't even remember specifically or that I could be a spoiler for someone without my even knowing it. That's why I'm thinking a spoiler header like "Themes" or "Themes S3-6" might be a better warning that things from a variety of eps might crop up, especially since we're not using abbreviated titles. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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