From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #4 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, October 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 004 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> ["H.J.J. Hewitt" > [Mark & Denise > ["Lee Daley" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> >fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > >I'd like to see where they seriously go > with a Xena who's still flawed but done with trying to make atonement for > being a depraved monster. > > She may well NOT be as interesting without her little dark embers seething > in her soul. Those seething embers weren't all that evident in the initial X:WP eps, which are still the ones that I generally find most enjoyable. Understandably after the first year or so TPTB realized a need for more than just adventure stories in order to keep things going and so introduced this kind of angst, but \I/ would have kept watching without it. wonders-- >Should we try to stick to eps aired, or also include >speculation about X&G's life post-FIN? Definitely negative! We've GOT the 'canon', the real 'history'... with all its glories and flaws... (some AWFUL flaws, like the characterization of Gabrielle as vain and narcissistic in "The Play's the Thing"). Such as they are, they're the Real Thing. Speculation is just fan-fic that hasn't had any work done on it. TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:41:43 -0500 From: Mark & Denise Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> > Those seething embers weren't all that evident in the initial X:WP eps, > which are still the ones that I generally find most enjoyable. > Understandably after the first year or so TPTB realized a need for more > than just adventure stories in order to keep things going and so introduced > this kind of angst, but \I/ would have kept watching without it. I'm very glad I was told of the Chakram-refugees list... the terminal XWS was compounded by not being able to read others thoughts and ramblings. It even got me out of my perpetual 'lurk mode'. This is the first post I've received, so I'm kind of jumping in and hope these thoughts haven't been stated earlier. Being hooked early in the first season, Xena's dark, mysterious, past and her brooding, edgy, demeanor were some of the first things that grabbed me as I watched the show. I find that when I dig through the VCR drawer I tend to gravitate towards seasons 1-3 the most. While the character development wasn't there consistently, there was something about Gabrielle's bubbling innocence and enthusiasm that seemed [to me] to strike a balance to Xena's stoic, hardened, attitude. Light and dark, yin and yang, etc... Mark ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:39:42 -0400 From: "Lee Daley" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> I was never one to complain much. Okay stop throwing stuff at me! Much, is the operative word. There were many people in the Xenaverse who were "true beleivers" in their "vision" of the show, and if that vision wasn't followed, the felt betrayed. I always wanted "a good yarn" and "what are they going to do next". I was never really disapointed, a few episodes didn't work for me, well OK they were such turkeys that they should have been put in a 375 oven for 5 hours, but they were never formular or "pat" shows. I have to agree with ROC and LL's comment. In The Buffy/Xena Convergance Department Rob kills Xena / Joss kills Buffy Rumor has it they will do a Buffy musical this year. Seems this two guys have some kind of competition going. "If you can do it. I can do it too!" Not unlike two male dogs and a tree...... Any comments/thoughts LeeD Warrior Jester > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jackie M. Young > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:50 AM > To: xena list > Subject: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> > > > OK, since the new Chakram-Refugees list is up and running, I thought I'd > kick it off with a discussion that was happening around the time of the > old Chakram's demise (RIP ;( ). > > I was just going to send this post off around the time the list ISP got > sold (9/7/2001), so it might be *dated*, but still relevant IMO. ;) I was > saving it *just in case* Chakram got revived, and *voila!*, thanks to > Meredith, it was. ;=) > > > -------------- > > I just got Xena Mag #23 the other day, and although I don't always trust > their reporters' accuracy, there is an *interesting* article about LL's, > ROC's, and RJStewart's and RTapert's appearance at the LA Museum of TV & > Radio in June to watch FIN and answer questions. These excerpts, IMO, > explain how those writers interpreted "redemption" (*uncomplicated*, the > way many of us who liked the ending interpreted it in "lay" terms), and > why they did it (just to be different, as we suspected ;P ). > > =========== > > Farewell to Xena > by Abbie Bernstein > p. 9 > > [RJStewart said,] "We wanted to do a Japanese ghost story, and if we do, > hell, Xena is gonna be the ghost! We thought, 'How are we gonna bring her > back to life again for the 78th time? Wait a minute--ultimate redemption > may be here if she's not brought back to life!'" > > "I weighed what it was gonna do with the fans and what it was gonna do > with the series," Tapert continues. However, the executive producer > doesn't feel that Xena is truly and sincerely dead. "In our universe, if > there's a way to bring Xena back, there's no better task for Hercules and > Ares and all our other heroes." > > Xena didn't survive in any of the versions of the script for A Friend in > Need. "There was a version where Gabrielle dies with her, " Tapert > reveals. "We were pretty--" He makes a straight-ahead gesture, > indicating decisiveness. > > "You waffled about it many times," Lucy Lawless disagrees. > > ...Lawless certainly doesn't hate the finale, however. "It was the > strongest choice dramatically. This show never took the easy way out," > she pointed out. "I don't know why people expect us to..." > > "...walk off into the sunset," O'Connor supplies. > > "Or just to cruise," Lawless continues. "I don't know why people want a > neat, pat, set ending. It's not the way we started the show; it's not the > way we did it on a day-to-day basis." > > > =========== > > So there you have it, from the horses' mouths, so to speak. ;P > > The death, and the usual interpretation of redemption, were all intended, > regardless of the logic, and the chance for X to come back are still > there (just not in the near future ;( ). > > > Just FYI, > --Jackie > > ****************************************************** > * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * > * * > * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * > * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * > * * > * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * > * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * > * * > * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * > * * > ****************************************************** > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:58:44 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Encyc of women in the ancient world This book review is from CHOICE magazine, Oct. 2001-- Salisbury, Joyce E. Encyclopedia of Women in the Ancient World. ABC-Clio, 2001. 385 p. isbn 1-57607-092-1. $75.00. isbn 1-57607-585-0 e-book, $100.00. Salisbury's encylopedia provides general readers with entries ranging from biographies of women and female mythological entities [I can just hear Aphrodite saying "Hey! I am not an entity!"] to general cultural and cross-cultural subjects dating from roughly 3000 BCE to 500 CE. Most entries feature Persian, Greek and Roman women, but there are Germanic and Celtic representatives as well. All entries begin with a few paragraphs that place the subject in hisorical context and end with cross-references and suggested readings. Excellent maps, genealogical charts and indexing make the work easy to use, while the prose style entices readers to delve into the content. Other multivolume works provide greater detail about the role women have played throughout history, but none encapsulates so well the lives of women in ancient times in one volume, nor do other works provide a web site (Sophia, http://www. uwgb.edu/sophia ) that supports and enhances the material. General and undergraduate readers. -- [reviewed by] M. Brunsdale, Illinois State University. /// Of course the website does not have much from the book. They wouldn't want to give away contents of the book they are trying to sell. The site has maps, timelines and geneaological tables, and "further references" which leads to bibliographies, articles, links and contacts. So far there is just one article, by Salisbury, about women of the Theodosian dynasty, which ruled the Eatern Empire in the 5th century AD. The bibliography, articles, links and contacts are to be updated on a regular basis. Boeotian The tale grew in the telling. -- J.R.R. Tolkien ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V1 #4 ************************************