From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V1 #3 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, October 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> ["Jackie M. Young" > [KTL > [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] <> [Lilli Sprintz ] [chakram-refugees] X:WP star sightings n' stuff! :) [Sarah Anne Packard <] Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> [meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> OK, since the new Chakram-Refugees list is up and running, I thought I'd kick it off with a discussion that was happening around the time of the old Chakram's demise (RIP ;( ). I was just going to send this post off around the time the list ISP got sold (9/7/2001), so it might be *dated*, but still relevant IMO. ;) I was saving it *just in case* Chakram got revived, and *voila!*, thanks to Meredith, it was. ;=) - -------------- I just got Xena Mag #23 the other day, and although I don't always trust their reporters' accuracy, there is an *interesting* article about LL's, ROC's, and RJStewart's and RTapert's appearance at the LA Museum of TV & Radio in June to watch FIN and answer questions. These excerpts, IMO, explain how those writers interpreted "redemption" (*uncomplicated*, the way many of us who liked the ending interpreted it in "lay" terms), and why they did it (just to be different, as we suspected ;P ). =========== Farewell to Xena by Abbie Bernstein p. 9 [RJStewart said,] "We wanted to do a Japanese ghost story, and if we do, hell, Xena is gonna be the ghost! We thought, 'How are we gonna bring her back to life again for the 78th time? Wait a minute--ultimate redemption may be here if she's not brought back to life!'" "I weighed what it was gonna do with the fans and what it was gonna do with the series," Tapert continues. However, the executive producer doesn't feel that Xena is truly and sincerely dead. "In our universe, if there's a way to bring Xena back, there's no better task for Hercules and Ares and all our other heroes." Xena didn't survive in any of the versions of the script for A Friend in Need. "There was a version where Gabrielle dies with her, " Tapert reveals. "We were pretty--" He makes a straight-ahead gesture, indicating decisiveness. "You waffled about it many times," Lucy Lawless disagrees. ...Lawless certainly doesn't hate the finale, however. "It was the strongest choice dramatically. This show never took the easy way out," she pointed out. "I don't know why people expect us to..." "...walk off into the sunset," O'Connor supplies. "Or just to cruise," Lawless continues. "I don't know why people want a neat, pat, set ending. It's not the way we started the show; it's not the way we did it on a day-to-day basis." =========== So there you have it, from the horses' mouths, so to speak. ;P The death, and the usual interpretation of redemption, were all intended, regardless of the logic, and the chance for X to come back are still there (just not in the near future ;( ). Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 03:26:46 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> Fin Spoilers of course! My thanks to Meridith also for starting this list up. > > I just got Xena Mag #23 the other day, and although I don't always trust > their reporters' accuracy, there is an *interesting* article about LL's, > ROC's, and RJStewart's and RTapert's appearance at the LA Museum of TV & > Radio in June to watch FIN and answer questions. These excerpts, IMO, > explain how those writers interpreted "redemption" (*uncomplicated*, the > way many of us who liked the ending interpreted it in "lay" terms), and > why they did it (just to be different, as we suspected ;P ). > > =========== > > Farewell to Xena > by Abbie Bernstein > p. 9 > > [RJStewart said,] "We wanted to do a Japanese ghost story, and if we do, > hell, Xena is gonna be the ghost! We thought, 'How are we gonna bring her > back to life again for the 78th time? Wait a minute--ultimate redemption > may be here if she's not brought back to life!'" LOL! Yeah, I laughed when I read this. But--like you, I wonder about the accuracy of this article. I've found a number of mistakes in the official mag--sloppy stuff like crediting a picture to the wrong ep. I wonder if Stewart actually said "Chinese Ghost Story" and the writer changed it to "Japanese ghost story"? Because the ep closely followed "Chinese Ghost Story", which is generally regarded as being strongly influenced by Raimi and Tapert's Evil Dead. Here's a few references to it: http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/c/chinese-ghost-story.html http://www.flagpole.com/Issues/02.10.99/videodope.html http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/usrpages/Rick/liz_qny.htm http://www.chinesecinemas.org/temp/hhampton.html http://www.teleport-city.com/movies/reviews/horror/biozombie.html > > "I weighed what it was gonna do with the fans and what it was gonna do > with the series," Tapert continues. However, the executive producer > doesn't feel that Xena is truly and sincerely dead. "In our universe, if > there's a way to bring Xena back, there's no better task for Hercules and > Ares and all our other heroes." > I figure when Ares finds out she chose to stay dead, he's gonna go East, patch together some ashes and kick some Warrior Princess butt. "I'll give ya, "Oh, the pain, the pain!" Boot! > > ...Lawless certainly doesn't hate the finale, however. "It was the > strongest choice dramatically. This show never took the easy way out," > she pointed out. "I don't know why people expect us to..." > > "...walk off into the sunset," O'Connor supplies. Those grrls obviously do not lie when they say they don't surf the Xena web sites... > > "Or just to cruise," Lawless continues. "I don't know why people want a > neat, pat, set ending. It's not the way we started the show; it's not the > way we did it on a day-to-day basis." > Yes, absolutely. As Lucy said at the con, "I love the ending. But I don't like it." My feelings exactly. I HATE it that she's dead. I LOVE it that she's redeemed. > > =========== > > So there you have it, from the horses' mouths, so to speak. ;P > > The death, and the usual interpretation of redemption, were all intended, > regardless of the logic, and the chance for X to come back are still > there (just not in the near future ;( ). > > > Just FYI, > --Jackie Well, I pray that if (when) they have her come back, they will not dis this noble sacrifice that saved her soul. (If Tapert or Stewart are involved, I'm sure they won't.) They'll bring her back some way that lets the 40,000 gummy souls still be saved. But, the character will no longer have that burden of guilt and horror that she carried with her all the time we knew her. I'd love to see Lucy redefine Xena that way. Well, she already did this in Clones, but that was a comedy and a charicature of the insouciant, happy-go-lucky redeemed Xena. I'd like to see where they seriously go with a Xena who's still flawed but done with trying to make atonement for being a depraved monster. She may well NOT be as interesting without her little dark embers seething in her soul. KT who feels VERY awkward with trying to look at this post like Ven would--would HE let this one through? I don't knoooow! (whiiine) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:03:43 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> In a message dated 10/8/01 6:28:10 AM Central Daylight Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: << I'd love to see Lucy redefine Xena that way. Well, she already did this in Clones, but that was a comedy and a charicature of the insouciant, happy-go-lucky redeemed Xena. I'd like to see where they seriously go with a Xena who's still flawed but done with trying to make atonement for being a depraved monster. She may well NOT be as interesting without her little dark embers seething in her soul. KT who feels VERY awkward with trying to look at this post like Ven would--would HE let this one through? I don't knoooow! (whiiine) >> You know, it occurs to me that there'll probably be a lot of "what ifs" (possibly bordering on fan fiction) now that many of us have seen FIN. I wouldn't mind that as part of the discussion, though I'd personally like it to be based on actual events we witnessed on the show. I'm wondering how others feel about that. Should we try to stick to eps aired, or also include speculation about X&G's life post-FIN? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 12:44:58 -0500 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] <> <> spoilers 1 spoilers 2 spoilers 3 Here we gooooooooooooo The ice scene frightened me a bit, but not so much that I didn't watch it. Mirrordrum was asking/discussing her thoughts on the physical production of that scene. All I could think of and remember and admire is that Lucy Lawless sure has an ability to get into and stand claustrophobic situations (spelling?). Brings to mind the tunnel with the rats scene in the First Season "Death Unchained." She's got guts! I wonder if she had to practice how long that scene would take in terms of holding her breath, and breathing out (for the bubbles)...several scene cuts I would imagine. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] X:WP star sightings n' stuff! :) So, this past weekend was the premiere of Vicky Pratt's new show "Mutant X," did y'all see it? :) I watched it last night finally, and twas enjoyable, if on the cheesy side (and kinda a ripoff of "X-Men," hence the lawsuit against them by the X-Men folks)...Vicky Pratt was fab tho as always, although not in the premiere as much as I'd like. See www.mutantx.net for all the details. Also, I was watching the 2nd ep of this new tough-grrl show "Alias" (ABC, Sun nights at 9 pm EST, it's about a girl who's a college student by day, CIA agent by night), and the promo for next week's ep had none other than Gina Torres in it, yay!! :) By the way, is anyone going to the Creation con in Dearborn, MI this weekend, by any chance? I am...Hudson Leick and Kevin Smith, woo-hoo! -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- (who missed Chakram soo much!!) http://www.abbagirl.com/ P.S. By the way, here's another sighting - I spotted Mindy "Velasca" Clarke in the series premiere of "Enterprise"! She was Sarin, the alien chick who kisses Captain Archer and then gets killed...I recognized her voice immediately, and her eyes too I think, although she looked pretty different... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:28:28 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] It's No Mystery....<> Hi, Ife wondered: >You know, it occurs to me that there'll probably be a lot of "what ifs" >(possibly bordering on fan fiction) now that many of us have seen FIN. I >wouldn't mind that as part of the discussion, though I'd personally like it >to be based on actual events we witnessed on the show. I'm wondering how >others feel about that. Should we try to stick to eps aired, or also include >speculation about X&G's life post-FIN? Personally, I would prefer that we stick to the eps aired. Though if anyone feels really strongly the other way, e-me directly and I'll consider your case. On a similar note, since I've gotten inquiries a couple times already: I think discussion of the "virtual season 7" is ok, though please specify in your subject lines that that's what you're posting about, so those who might not care can filter accordingly. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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