From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V11 #25 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Saturday, March 10 2007 Volume 11 : Number 025 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- RE: Folkwax Article ["Marsik, Theresa" ] RE: No Gospel Truth? Bummer. ["Susan Krauss" ] Re: believers-digest V11 #24 [Frugorfoto@aol.com] susan review [Kellie ] Re: believers-digest V11 #24 ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: believers-digest V11 #24 ["Tracy J. Wells" ] agnosticism & Folkwax review [Carolyn Andre ] Re: agnosticism & Folkwax review ["Ron Rosen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:20:42 -0600 From: "Marsik, Theresa" Subject: RE: Folkwax Article While I agree that this review was rather poor, I have read many wonderful album reviews written by Arthur Wood. Maybe he was so enamored by the concept of Susan's album that he couldn't get past that to actually discuss the music.... Theresa - -----Original Message----- From: owner-believers@smoe.org [mailto:owner-believers@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ron Rosen Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:41 PM To: Believers@smoe.org Subject: Folkwax Article I have had occasion to read several articles in high school newspapers during the last couple years. Those articles are plagued by wordiness, self-consciousness, and, in general, writing that sounds like someone who doesn't understand good writing thinks good writing is supposed to sound like. Arthur Wood, who claims to be a founding editor of Folkwax, would fit well on the staff of a high school newspaper, although I'm probably unnecessarily offending many good high school writers. Given that, I was unable to digest or take seriously what, if anything, he said about The Gospel Truth. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:50:49 -0800 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: RE: No Gospel Truth? Bummer. Does anyone know if Susan is selling the CD at her shows? I was figuring I would just buy it next week at the show but if I can't I'll get myself to CDBaby. Thanks, susan HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:40:24 EST From: Frugorfoto@aol.com Subject: Re: believers-digest V11 #24 I am positively exhausted from reading the sophomoric "critique" (it's not really a review), in Folkwax. Be wary when reviews contain words like raison d'etre. Tessa G. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:47:38 -0600 From: Kellie Subject: susan review well, i'm hardly what you could call un-biased, but i posted a review on susie's record in my blog, for anyone who cares to read it: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=63345447&blogID=237658919&MyToken=1d356ee1 - -2235-457e-b0e3-557a541ebc8e kellie lin HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:36:25 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: believers-digest V11 #24 > While I agree that this review was rather poor, I have read many > wonderful album reviews written by Arthur Wood. Maybe he was so > enamored by the concept of Susan's album that he couldn't get past that > to actually discuss the music.... But...but...do you have an example of something that shows he can write? >I am positively exhausted from reading the sophomoric "critique" (it's not > really a review), in Folkwax. > Be wary when reviews contain words like raison d'etre. Especially when followed by "the raison d'jtre of agnosticism is non-commitment to a belief in the existence of any gods or deities." Hmmm... is that the raison d'etre or is that the definition? And what exactly is "non-commitment to a belief?" "Any gods or deities?" Aren't we a bit past that point in history? Yeah, I'm not really sure that Zeus and Hera actually exist. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:45:39 -0600 From: "Tracy J. Wells" Subject: Re: believers-digest V11 #24 On Mar 9, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Ron Rosen wrote: > "Any gods or deities?" Aren't we a bit past that point in > history? Yeah, I'm not really sure that Zeus and Hera actually exist. Maybe not Zeus and Hera, but what about Krishna and Shiva and Kali? "Gods" or "deities" is actually the correct terminology when talking about Hindu deities, for example. Not that this reviewer necessarily had the Hindu pantheon in mind when he wrote this, but you know... just to throw that out there... ;o) So I wouldn't be so quick to say we're "past that point in history" -- if that implies that a belief the existence of multiple deities somehow is a thing of the past or that the belief (or disbelief) in one god is a sign of a more "advanced" society (although many Hindus would say they believe in one universal essence of which these various deities are manifestations, but you know... some scholars would say that's maybe because they're trying to conform to Western ideas of monotheism... others argue that this more monotheistic notion really is inherent to Hindu theology and not an imposed Western theological construct... but there have been books and books written on that and probably no one really cares to hear more about it here... ;o) I know, I know, you were just trying to make a little joke here... but as the resident student of religion, I couldn't resist... ;o) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:55:12 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: agnosticism & Folkwax review I think Tracy may have it - that Arthur had to look up "agnosticism", and then got so bogged down in that concept that he couldn't get past it to the music -- or felt he had to compare each track with that concept. Interestingly, I just went googling because I wanted to see if my understanding of agnosticism - as a concept of the inability to truly *know* all, that can be applied not only to theology but to scientific & other beliefs as well - was vaguely accurate or out of the park. And Arthur's "the raison d'jtre of agnosticism is non-commitment to a belief in the existence of any gods or deities." sounds as if he was reading Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism It has the "existence of ... gods or deities" as well as the "do not absolutely commit themselves ..." (by now everyone should know that Wikipedia is *not* the best source of accurate or complete information, since it was just publicized that colleges had started forbidding it as a bibliographic reference) Hmm... And here he had a much more interesting screen of information available n the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia entry (well, I figured it was a more appropriate source, given Susan's religious background ): http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01215c.htm Why am I looking up these things at this hour?? and worse! why am I thinking about going down in the basement and looking at the philosophy & theology books .... Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:19:46 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: agnosticism & Folkwax review >I think Tracy may have it - that Arthur had to look up "agnosticism", and >then got so bogged down in that concept that he couldn't get past it to the >music -- or felt he had to compare each track with that concept. I have determined that I'm an athiest with respect to Jesus Christ; an agnostic when it comes to Krishna and Shiva and Kali; a believer in the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and a worshiper of Susan Werner. (Sorry about Jesus.) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V11 #25 ******************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message