From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V11 #5 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Sunday, January 21 2007 Volume 11 : Number 005 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Probably Not and what not.... [Bobdog25nj@aol.com] Re: Probably Not and what not.... [meredith ] RE: Probably Not and what not.... ["Amy Whipple" ] RE: Probably Not and what not.... ["Amy Whipple" ] Susan You're caught [Frank ] Fwd: Re: Susan You're caught [Frank ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:07:56 EST From: Bobdog25nj@aol.com Subject: Probably Not and what not.... Thank you Tracy for your thoughtful response to my original post about "Probably Not" - or my limited memory of "Probably Not". I found what you had to say very interesting. It had not occurred to me frankly that some religiously devout people might LIKE Susan's new record - but obviously this is the case. Good. Susan will end up with some new fans. The more the merrier - as long as it doesn't get impossible to get tickets. I need a bit of time to digest what you said - but I have a few thoughts for right now. It was never my intention to say something bad about ALL religious people ( I think you could tell that ). I did sorta make it clear that I am no fan of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson. If it came across wrong - and I offended any religious people on the list - I apologize . This would be a genuine apology - not just to be polite - as I am a person of faith myself ( sorta ) - and I honestly would never want to hurt someone's feelings purely over their faith. As far as "folk music" people being generally hostile to religion - I think I know what you mean - but I would say that actually folk music people might be better described as hostile to one particular form of fundamentalist Christianity - and most especially right now because George W. Bush is President - and he keeps talking about "faith-based communities" - by which he always and only means fundamentalist Christians - and he also has an annoying habit of trying to erase the wall of separation between Church and State. The history of folk music is full of liberal Christians. And Bruce Cockburn among others is a devoutly religious Christian - and a big folk music guy right now. ( At least, last time I checked ). Dylan was a little while - but it didn't work out I guess. I don't tend to sort musicians this way - but I know there are lots of additional examples. And something like 97 percent of Americans believe in God - at least this is the result pollsters get. I have no reason to think folk musicians are any different. It will be interesting to hear Susan's new CD - and to get a better grasp of the CD as a whole. Whether it will be fair to use the word "agnostic" to describe the CD remains to be seen. The "mysterious and beautiful song about death" that I keep talking about ( because it took my breath away ) - I remember that this song had some sorta "hope" or "wishfulness" that there is a God and a life after death. It is also an incredibly beautiful melody - and Susan just stunned the whole room when she played it on the piano at "Outpost In The Burbs". And I'm pretty sure that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell don't know Susan or any of us exist - so we are all safe. Let's keep it that way. OK - enough of me for now. Let me just add a footnote to Charlie. No apology is necessary for the minor little problem with the last addition of the list. But - as long as it's come up - I would like to take the opportunity to say "Thank You" for running the list. I know it can be a lot of work - and I appreciate very much having this place to discuss Susan and her songs. It's especially great to have this list now that the new CD is about to be released. see ya... Bob Paterson HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:42:45 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... Hi, Bobdog25nj@aol.com wrote: > As far as "folk music" people being generally hostile to religion - I think > I know what you mean - but I would say that actually folk music people might > be better described as hostile to one particular form of fundamentalist > Christianity - and most especially right now because George W. Bush is President - > and he keeps talking about "faith-based communities" - by which he always and > only means fundamentalist Christians - and he also has an annoying habit of > trying to erase the wall of separation between Church and State. This is my take on it, as well. I know many Christian folk fans (in fact, at one point half of the group putting on the New Haven Folk Festival was either an administrator or a student at the Yale Divinity School), and the impression I've gotten is that people who seem to be dissing religion at places like Falcon Ridge are actually expressing their anger at the theocracy America has become. > And I'm pretty sure that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell don't know Susan or > any of us exist - so we are all safe. Let's keep it that way. Actually, do you have *any* idea how many CDs Susan will sell if the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells of the world get hold of it and say just one thing against it?? Call me an evil cynic, but I'm kinda hoping something like that happens. You just can't buy marketing like that. :} - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:23:01 -0500 From: "Amy Whipple" Subject: RE: Probably Not and what not.... I'm of a religious persuasion and a Susan persuasion. I'm really digging Susan's new stuff; I honestly think to be truly faithful in something (anything, religious or not) you have to be able to question your beliefs and explore other options. I do enjoy teasing Susan that her stuff probably wouldn't fly down here, being only forty-five minutes from Jerry and about two hours from Pat. But that is so their loss. Sad for them! Amy HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:59:02 -0500 From: Steve Murphy Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... Folk music people are open to everything. Folk music people are hostile to suppression, be it religious, political, any form. Folk music people are hostile to hostility. That's about it. Open to everything else. That's why they're folk music people. Steve Bobdog25nj@aol.com wrote: "As far as "folk music" people being generally hostile to religion - I think I know what you mean - but I would say that actually folk music people might be better described as hostile to one particular form of fundamentalist Christianity - and most especially right now because George W. Bush is President:" HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:11:06 -0500 From: Steve Murphy Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... You are definitely on to something Meth! And there's nothing stopping any of us from posing as "an offended one" and blasting off an note and a copy of the CD to one of these righteous folks, as a concerned member of the religious right (yes - infiltrate) citing passages that are offensive to our strong Fundamental Christian values. Steve Meth wrote: Actually, do you have *any* idea how many CDs Susan will sell if the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells of the world get hold of it and say just one thing against it?? Call me an evil cynic, but I'm kinda hoping something like that happens. You just can't buy marketing like that. :} HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:14:53 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... Hi, Steve Murphy wrote: > You are definitely on to something Meth! And there's nothing stopping > any of us from posing as "an offended one" and blasting off an note and > a copy of the CD to one of these righteous folks, as a concerned member > of the religious right (yes - infiltrate) citing passages that are > offensive to our strong Fundamental Christian values. I certainly wouldn't encourage that, though. Better to have it happen organically, if it's going to happen at all. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:40:44 -0500 From: "Amy Whipple" Subject: RE: Probably Not and what not.... Haha, I've so had fantasies though of meeting up with Jerry (I hear he hangs out at the local chain restaurants) and saying, "You've got to hear..." at which point, I change his world. (This is what happens when you have way too much free time on your hands and an overactive imagination.) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-believers@smoe.org [mailto:owner-believers@smoe.org] On Behalf Of meredith Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:15 PM To: believers@smoe.org Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... Hi, Steve Murphy wrote: > You are definitely on to something Meth! And there's nothing stopping > any of us from posing as "an offended one" and blasting off an note and > a copy of the CD to one of these righteous folks, as a concerned member > of the religious right (yes - infiltrate) citing passages that are > offensive to our strong Fundamental Christian values. I certainly wouldn't encourage that, though. Better to have it happen organically, if it's going to happen at all. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:48:04 -0500 From: "Sharon G" Subject: Re: Probably Not and what not.... my take on susan's record is a personal struggling with her own beliefs and where she fits in her own religious spectrum.... Susan grew up and experienced the church in one way, and through her adolescents and young adulthood, another way and finally as an adult is examining all of these... She also does so in context of the Christianization of a Country that she clearly loves but with a government that preaches to the masses, used a religiousl "base" for political means, has integrated those same religious beliefs into public policy, or as a reward to the Base for voting or just keeping their campaign promises ( see it as you will).... then there are those who dont believe or dont fit the mold, or pay the way the government expects you to pray and the natural tension with a government that is inclusive... Central to this is Susan and how all of this has impacted her and how she experiences it... all in all, i think its susan finding her own way with her religious self, in the way she knows best... through her art... we just happen to be blessed by being on the receiving side of her struggle.... it saved her a bundle in therapy..... sharon G HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Subject: Susan You're caught like a fishnet...drink up now it's gettin' time to go all romantics meet the same fate ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Subject: Fwd: Re: Susan You're caught - --- Frank wrote: > From Frank Sat Jan 20 13:53:08 2007 > X-Apparently-To: frank_adams@yahoo.com via > 206.190.38.121; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:53:08 -0800 > X-Originating-IP: [68.142.228.53] > Return-Path: > Authentication-Results: mta126.mail.re4.yahoo.com > from=yahoo.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) > Received: from 68.142.228.53 (HELO > web50912.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.228.53) > by mta126.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 20 > Jan 2007 13:53:08 -0800 > Received: (qmail 15409 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan > 2007 21:53:08 -0000 > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > > h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; > > b=FfzbI8KObQGCKXEBzJvpoCcCr9wB2QkTA2RuhhGp33/sAckbyFtLf74NlLXOdFyWzTY6AWbpDE9cTdya3hBe78XpQAdLBMMwNQHbAN80FR8U1A+ULk097hdbBnCoBr/BEbP+iwUP0bYz9y3CZNCsDpYDzmzgh+tQuND8/kPS66E= > ; > Message-ID: > <20070120215308.15407.qmail@web50912.mail.yahoo.com> > X-YMail-OSG: > 3ZYXWMAVM1knL82FSpf7KEg8R1C.sbPojy3Ch2J9avNiZdNVg1YK4RoFO.DeEsAVbWdGFZXgXQPiw_Js4RKrfmiTVayoraY6X5ji7KYyQXGecGivFGTuYQxQi8xaufyP0YFTLWX1PxU- > Received: from [68.39.87.223] by > web50912.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 > 13:53:08 PST > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:53:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Frank > Subject: Re: Susan You're caught > To: Frank > In-Reply-To: > <738902.42978.qm@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Length: 805 > > How dare you hit me outta da' blu' songs are like > tattoes > --- Frank wrote: > > > like a fishnet...drink up now it's gettin' time to > > go > > all romantics meet the same fate > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Need a quick answer? 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