From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V7 #46 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 07 : Number 046 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Re: Updated Song List [Kris Richardson ] Move On - petition to UN - Help us reach 750,000 by Friday. ["Nanette Ech] CD Project [Kris Richardson ] Still Believe and other songs ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: Move On - petition to UN - Help us reach 750,000 by Friday. ["Ron Ros] song list propriety ["john vavrek" ] Re: song list propriety ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: song list propriety [John DeFord ] Re: song list propriety [John DeFord ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 03 09:50:06 -0500 From: Kris Richardson Subject: Re: Updated Song List Good question, let's ask the family. Folks? Kris >Subject: Re: Updated Song List >Sent: 3/4/20 4:43 AM >Received: 3/6/03 9:34 AM >From: brenda bouma, blbouma@dodgenet.com >To: Kris Richardson, kriskel@cyberportal.net > >Is "I Still Believe" a co-write as well? > >Kris Richardson wrote: > >> As expected, the answer is that no co-writes can be allowed due to >> copywrite issues. That makes "Like Bonsai" and "Can't Let You In" off >> limits. Sorry... >> >> Kris >> >> >> Pattye Sites- Can't Let You In >> > >> >Can't Let You in is a co-write of Susan & Mike Sumler. I'm not sure if that >> >presents a problem, as in, we need permission from Mr. Sumler? >> >> HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >> Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >> http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:08:49 -0600 From: "Nanette Echols" Subject: Move On - petition to UN - Help us reach 750,000 by Friday. Hi believers, I get the impression that alot of you are against the US going it alone in Iraq. And many of you may already have heard of this activity...If not, I thought you might be interested in the petition below. I signed it earlier this week and sent it to all my friends, and since I think of you as my friends too, I thought, well, why not? They'll just delete it if it's not their thing... Right? Please do as you feel comfortable. Hope this is ok... Peace, Nanette - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org" To: "Nanette Echols" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: Amazing. Help us reach 750,000 by Friday. > Dear MoveOn member, > > The response to our emergency petition to the U.N. Security > Council has been nothing short of extraordinary. Less than > two days after the petition was launched, over 550,000 people > have signed, from over 200 countries. It's a strong message > from the peoples of the world that the Security Council > should support tough inspections in Iraq, not war. It's also > the fastest-growing online petition we've ever seen -- and > already one of the largest in history. > > Thanks for being a part of this enormous success. With your > help, we can make it even bigger. Please let your friends and > colleagues know about the petition by sending them a short > note and this email. They can sign up at: > > http://www.moveon.org/emergency/ > > We've pushed back our delivery date to Monday -- our sources > at the U.N. tell us that's when it'll make the most waves. We > need to send the petition to press on Friday night, but we'd > like to have as many signers as possible by that time. If > each person who signed the petition gets a few friends to > sign, we'll easily reach our 750,000 goal -- but it has to > happen today. > > Please take a moment to let your friends know about this > important initiative. With your help, we can make an even > bigger impact on the U.N. Security Council. > > Sincerely, > --Carrie, Eli, Joan, Peter, Wes, and Zack > The MoveOn Team > March 6th, 2003 > > P.S. Our petition was launched in cooperation with the American > Friends Service Committee, who have a terrific website that > provides resources and information on the crisis in Iraq. Check > it out at: > > http://www.afsc.org/iraq/ > > P.P.S. Yesterday, our local ad went up in over 111 local > newspapers across the nation, our billboards are now up in > Detroit, San Francisco and L.A., and our "Inspections Work. War > Won't." message is on a quarter of all the busses in Washington > D.C. The financial support of MoveOn members for these > initiatives has been overwhelming -- you funded over 100 local > ads in less than a day! > > One note of caution about giving to good causes: Never give your > credit card number over the phone in response to any telephone > solicitation. And only give online or by mail to organizations > you know and trust (like us). > > Thanks for making this work possible. > > Some links: > > Our "No link" ad that ran in 111 newspapers yesterday: > http://www.moveon.org/localads/localad.pdf > > Our billboard and busses layout: > http://www.moveon.org/billboards/ > > How to donate to MoveOn.org: > http://www.moveon.org/support.html > > ________________ > > This is a message from MoveOn.org. To remove yourself (Nanette Echols) from > this list, please visit our subscription management page at: > http://moveon.org/s?i=1134-1636851-WCD3LxdzQStZzbi0PB81zw HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 03 17:25:51 -0500 From: Kris Richardson Subject: CD Project Due to the fact that a few people with busy schedules are having concerns about needing more time to get their tracks recorded, I'm going to move the due date for your material forward two weeks to April 7th. I think it's more important to make it possible for everyone to contribute than to rush things. So there ya' go! Kris HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:13:50 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Still Believe and other songs > Good question, let's ask the family. Folks? > >Is "I Still Believe" a co-write as well? No, not according to Sherlyn Koo's lyric archive. Check your songs here: http://www.pixelopolis.com/lyrics/lyrics.cfm?site_id=1 Also, check your CD liner notes. Most of Susan's songs are not covers or co-writes, but a few are. I'm willing to trust Sherlyn's site on these. Once the list is finalized, you could run it by Larry just to be sure. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:32:18 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: Move On - petition to UN - Help us reach 750,000 by Friday. > I get the impression that alot of you are against the US going it alone in > Iraq. When you say ''go it alone,'' do you really mean that or do you mean ''not go at all?'' If the French, Germans, and Russians changed their minds, would that change yours? HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:53:59 -0800 From: "john vavrek" Subject: song list propriety i don't see the point of any of us not being permitted to record a song that was co-authored. i've recorded plenty of songs that were written by other people. i use them as an exercise in both recording and songwriting, and because i like the song and i want to do something with it. i'm not going to sell them covertly and deprive the person holding the publishing rights of any income. and i have NOT asked permission of anyone. if Susan wrote a song with anybody (short of Michael Jackson or Paul McCartney), and someone on this list wanted to record it and share it with some friends, how could either co-author have a problem with that? what would they be losing? who would be losing? what am i missing here? all of these songs are copywritten. we are definitely not distributing unreleased songs. ...besides, i really wanted to record Like Bonsai.... john pouting in eugene oregon HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: song list propriety > i don't see the point of any of us not being permitted to record a song that > was co-authored. i've recorded plenty of songs that were written by other > people. I'm not sure what the ''legal'' rules are, but I guess because this is a Susan list, unofficially sanctioned by Susan (so we can talk about her cheetah tops), and the recording will be distributed to a greater extent than just a few friends, Susan doesn't want to be in the position of agreeing to the recording of songs that she doesn't have complete rights to. If you want to record Bonsai, why not track down Greg Simon (who also wrote ''The Great Out There'') and tell him what we're doing and ask him if it's ok with him? How could Susan mind that? Legally, I think anyone can cover anyone else's recorded song as long as they pay the appropriate fees. I don't think the copyright holders can stop you. But what about unrecorded songs? Can a copyright holder prevent you from being the first to record their song? I know Nashville has a ''hold'' system whereby an artist can put a song on ''hold'' for six months, and no one can record it during that time unless the hold is released. I'm not sure how the ''hold'' system works - if it's only for unrecorded songs or what. I think that once a song has been commercially released, the copyright holder cannot stop you from recording it, as long as the publishing and othe fees are paid. Any of you know more about this than I do? HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: John DeFord Subject: Re: song list propriety i agree with john. i think we should limit the run to a very small number and just pay the mechanical royalties which are very minimal. this was done a couple of years ago with the jonatha brooke list and it had virtually no impact to the schedule. the only sticking point is getting overt permission from a songwriter if the song has not previously been covered. but suze is a lock and it seems like it wouldn't be that involved to get it from the co-writers. - -john empathizing in oakland and worried about the schedule even with the generous extra two weeks, but i like the pressure, you know? ps- please don't anyone take the above as criticism of anyone. kris has stepped in an amazing way that i've never seen anywhere else, and kellie whose inspiration sparked the whole thing are amazing and i'll stop typing (again) now. -j (not a wet blanket) - --- john vavrek wrote: > i don't see the point of any of us not being permitted to record a > song that > was co-authored. i've recorded plenty of songs that were written by > other > people. i use them as an exercise in both recording and songwriting, > and > because i like the song and i want to do something with it. i'm not > going > to sell them covertly and deprive the person holding the publishing > rights > of any income. and i have NOT asked permission of anyone. if Susan > wrote a > song with anybody (short of Michael Jackson or Paul McCartney), and > someone > on this list wanted to record it and share it with some friends, how > could > either co-author have a problem with that? what would they be > losing? who > would be losing? > what am i missing here? all of these songs are copywritten. we are > definitely not distributing unreleased songs. > > > ...besides, i really wanted to record Like Bonsai.... > > john > pouting in eugene oregon > > HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org > Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs > http://worldcafecds.com ===== ........... Sometimes the beauty of life John ...... Hits like lightning .... DeFord Washing everything clear ........... -Shawn Colvin http://fridgepoets.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:43:19 -0800 (PST) From: John DeFord Subject: Re: song list propriety not a lawyer, but from my vast jonatha brooke lurking experience where there was a music-lawyer type on the list, this is what my ridiculously addled mind recalls (how's that for a caveat?): a songwriter retains the right of whether to allow someone else to record a song as long as the writer is the only artist to record it. once permission is given the first time, then the writer cannot stop anyone from covering the song. they can prevent lyric changes, however minor, though, including gender. or not. peace, john - --- Ron Rosen wrote: > > i don't see the point of any of us not being permitted to record a > song > that > > was co-authored. i've recorded plenty of songs that were written > by other > > people. > > I'm not sure what the ''legal'' rules are, but I guess because this > is a > Susan list, unofficially sanctioned by Susan (so we can talk about > her > cheetah tops), and the recording will be distributed to a greater > extent > than just a few friends, Susan doesn't want to be in the position of > agreeing to the recording of songs that she doesn't have complete > rights to. > If you want to record Bonsai, why not track down Greg Simon (who also > wrote > ''The Great Out There'') and tell him what we're doing and ask him if > it's > ok with him? How could Susan mind that? > > Legally, I think anyone can cover anyone else's recorded song as long > as > they pay the appropriate fees. I don't think the copyright holders > can stop > you. But what about unrecorded songs? Can a copyright holder > prevent you > from being the first to record their song? I know Nashville has a > ''hold'' > system whereby an artist can put a song on ''hold'' for six months, > and no > one can record it during that time unless the hold is released. I'm > not > sure how the ''hold'' system works - if it's only for unrecorded > songs or > what. I think that once a song has been commercially released, the > copyright holder cannot stop you from recording it, as long as the > publishing and othe fees are paid. Any of you know more about this > than I > do? > > HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org > Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs > http://worldcafecds.com ===== ........... Sometimes the beauty of life John ...... Hits like lightning .... DeFord Washing everything clear ........... -Shawn Colvin http://fridgepoets.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V7 #46 ****************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message