From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V6 #119 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Saturday, June 15 2002 Volume 06 : Number 119 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig ["Chuck Ellingson" ] Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig [Leslie Dreyer Kalra ] Cole Porter Poll (was SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig) [S L L ] next alblum ["Jude" ] Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig ["Chuck Ellingson" Subject: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig Sorry it's taken me almost a full week to post my comments on last Sunday's show, but I've been attempting to recall every nuance of the performance to share with you. There was a masterful introduction of the artist given by a fetching young woman who stepped out onto the stage to introduce (drumroll please)... herself. Can you say "low budget"? (I knew that you could.) As in many a set list posted in the last few months or so, Susan opened with Stationary, followed by Shade of Grey. This second number included Susan riffing and throwing out the names of numerous talk show hosts to see how they'd be interpreted for the hearing impaired. At the conclusion of the number, Susan leaned over toward the sign language interpreter and asked his name. She then introduced him to the audience as Jeff Mumm, followed by the comment "Mumm's the word." Little Yellow House came next in the set, followed by a brief discussion of sexuality, comparing people to the ingredients of a "GLBT sandwich." Susan commented on how she'd like to be considered a part of that sandwich... maybe an "avacado" or a "nitrate," giving the sandwich its smokey flavor. ;-) Susan's next intro included something about the next song being for couples and/or people in love. The song? Misery and Happiness, which drew the expected guffaws as people sat, expecting to hear something gushy and instead were treated to "Misery..." Susan then made her way to the keyboard... which made no sound. Ever the consumate professional, Susan burst into an a capella rendition of I Only Have Eyes for You (while the sound guy corrected the keyboard problem). Problem resolved, Susan performed Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter, after which she mentioned that that particular number, having been previously released, would also be on her upcoming release., as would My Baby Is a Light Sleeper, which followed. Susan then quasi-cryptically commented to the lesbians in the audience that she bet they knew exactly what she meant by the lyrics of the next song... Big Car. One of my favorite SW tunes, Like Bonsai was Susan's penultimate number of the evening, followed by her show-stopping Standing in My Own Way. There was little time for Susan's typical patter, as her performance time was limited to sixty minutes... tick tick tick. Some of the witty bits Susan was able to include... she introduced us to the evening's second sign language interpreter, Maria... with a request that she sign her namein the same fashion as Susan was peforming it - a la Pavarotti. Throughout the gig, there was much interaction with the interpreters, both Jeff and Maria. Susan informed the newbies in the audience that she was from Iowa but that she now resides in Chicago. She also mentioned that she has lots of family in Wisconsin. (Three of Susan's sibs were in attendance, with members of their families.) Before Susan's set had begun, I leaned back on the metal bleacher on which I was perched to (re)introduce myself to a woman I had seen at several of Susan's other performances, most notably those in Wisconsin's capital city, Madison. It turns out I had met the woman seventeen years ago; she was Barb Werner, Susan's sister, whom I had met when Susan returned ever so briefly to Luther College to perform at Dante's, Luther's performance venue in the bowels of the student union. After the gig, Susan gave the sound man (who had helped her with her keyboard problem) a generous tip. While she did so, I had the opportunity to meet the other members of the Werner clan who were present. Then after chatting with Susan, I took some family photos for them. (I used their cameras, therefore I have no photos to share with you. Sorry!) For the first time ever, I was able to introduce Susan to my partner of ten years, Brian. (Finally!) During our chats, Susan and several of her family members complimented me on my chorus's PrideFest performance earlier that day and on my solo during The Last Curtain Call, our final number, which Susan had heard from backstage. I'm sure I've failed to recall numerous baubles, bangles and bits [Oh! She wore the leopard print blouse! How could I forget the fashion portion of the posting?!?] but if you have any questions, feel free to email me offlist. Peace, Chuck "If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around your neck?" Linda Ellerbee _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:46:31 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig Thanks for the great review, Chuck. Now for this week's poll: Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter appears on Susan's first two albums, Midwestern Saturday Night and Live at Tin Angel. The MSN version, BTW, is really great, with piano, bass, and drums. Do we really need Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter on her next album? It's a fine song. Susan does it at every show. But.... I vote "no." Not that anyone asked or will listen to my opinion. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:50:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Leslie Dreyer Kalra Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig Well, hey, she put "Still Believe" on three albums, and they were in a row! The precedent has been set, and it's been almost a decade since she last recorded "Cole Porter" (yikes!). The "relationship song cycle" wouldn't be complete without it. I think it's a stronger song than "Still Believe", too, but this is probably the wrong list to say *that* on...:) Not that anyone asked me, either... leslie On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Ron Rosen wrote: > Thanks for the great review, Chuck. Now for this week's poll: > > Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter appears on Susan's first two albums, Midwestern Saturday > Night and Live at Tin Angel. The MSN version, BTW, is really great, with piano, > bass, and drums. > > Do we really need Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter on her next album? > > It's a fine song. Susan does it at every show. But.... I vote "no." Not that > anyone asked or will listen to my opinion. > > HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org > Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs > http://worldcafecds.com > Leslie Dreyer Kalra Techies, Inc. Computing & Internet lbd@techiesinc.com Consultant Claimer: The opinions expressed by me actually *are* those of Techies, Inc. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: S L L Subject: Cole Porter Poll (was SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig) Me thinks that the artist has the final say regardless of our votes! But if the next album tells the story of a women going from singledom, to relationship land, back to singledom, back again with mr or ms relationship then Cole Porter is a perfect "I'm in love and trying to woo you and want you to notice me please please please please" song. I'm sure you'll be surprised by some really great take on the song on the next album Ron. Perhaps she'll change some words, or do some unique orchestration. I figure the next album will also repeat "Much at All". But hopefully all the other tracks will be brand new and I think that someone on the list said that so far there were well over ten or twelve parts to the Romantic Song Cycle so you'd still be getting your fifteen (or sixteen) dollars worth from the album when it comes out! Hey, the "I Believe" song made it on a whopping three albums, Baby Boomer made it to two albums plus a Christine Lavin compilation, so Cole Porter is just trying to follow suit :-) Isn't three a charm? ~simona Ron Rosen wrote: Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter appears on Susan's first two albums, Midwestern Saturday Night and Live at Tin Angel. The MSN version, BTW, is really great, with piano, bass, and drums. Do we really need Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter on her next album? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:35:18 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig (& Cole Porter Poll) Letting it all hang out on a West Coast Friday night: > Well, hey, she put "Still Believe" on three albums, and they were in a > row! I wasn't thrilled about that, either. >The precedent has been set Not one I like, however. > I think it's a stronger song than "Still Believe", too, but this is > probably the wrong list to say *that* on...:) I agree it's a great song, but I already have two of them. >Me thinks that the artist has the final say regardless of our votes! Yeah, but we vote with our wallets. Where's Anthony Marbuke when I need him? >But if the next album tells the story of a women going from singledom, to relationship land, back to singledom, back again with mr or ms relationship then Cole Porter is a perfect. I'll put on one of the previous CDs at that moment, or I'll imagine it. >Perhaps she'll change some words, or do some unique orchestration. Maybe she could do a remake of Sgt. Pepper. > I figure the next album will also repeat "Much at All". I hope not. > But hopefully all the other tracks will be brand new Don't you want another version of Everybody's Talkin' into the bargain? >and I think that someone on the list said that so far there were well over ten or twelve parts to the Romantic Song Cycle so you'd still be getting your fifteen (or sixteen) dollars worth from the album when it comes out! I do always feel a bit cheated, economically, when an artist repeats songs. Especially when Susan is so prolific, and doesn't release that many albums, I just really don't want one, or, God forbid, two repeats on an CD. >Hey, the "I Believe" song made it on a whopping three albums, Baby Boomer made it to two albums plus a Christine Lavin compilation I think Baby Boomer is only on MSN, of Susan's albums. >so Cole Porter is just trying to follow suit :-) Isn't three a charm? No. Two sucks. Three sucks big time. The Beatles never resorted to this until they started to release compilations, much later. Of course that was before we reached the tape-trading era of civilization, where people want to own 100 shows by the same artist. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:01:11 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Just Dawned On Me (Cole Porter) One final comment on this: I just realized that when an artist repeats songs on albums, it makes me think that they don't have, or don't think they have, very much strong material. I think it cheapens the product. This was understandable with MSN and Tin Angel because they were early in her career, and she probably didn't have much material. But now that she has tons of material, I really think she should avoid this. Putting I Still Believe and Last of the Good Straight Girls on LOGSG made sense because it was Susan's first record-label release and it was reasonable that she would want these on what many people would experience as her first album. But really, to me it's just not quite right. I thought Dar' release of a live album of previously-released songs, at a time when she only has 4 albums out, was just tacky, and I would not go near a product like that. It said to me, "I don't have many new songs, but I and a lot of my people think that I really need to release something right now, so here it is." Repackaging the same material strikes me as the essence of corporate America - buy more stuff - even if it's the same stuff - we're here to tell you it's new and improved!! (Darlisters - I know you'll disagree, but this is just my take. I haven't bought the CD, haven't heard it, and have no desire to.) Susan is not doing anything quite that bad, but, if you can't tell, I really don't like the idea. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:19:45 -0500 From: "Jude" Subject: next alblum I'd like to see a version of "Hey Jude" on her next alblum! jude HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:27:08 -0500 From: "Chuck Ellingson" Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig No offense, Ron, but do we REALLY need people second guessing Susan's picks for her recordings? If she decided she wanted to rerecord all of her songs in the style of Everybody's Talkin', I might question her choice, but... HEY! We go to see her over & over again to hear the same songs over & over again, so... I say Go, Susan, go! That's my twelve and a half cents... Peace, Chuckles >From: "Ron Rosen" >To: >Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:46:31 -0700 > >Thanks for the great review, Chuck. Now for this week's poll: > >Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter appears on Susan's first two albums, Midwestern >Saturday >Night and Live at Tin Angel. The MSN version, BTW, is really great, with >piano, >bass, and drums. > >Do we really need Maybe If I Sang Cole Porter on her next album? > >It's a fine song. Susan does it at every show. But.... I vote "no." Not >that >anyone asked or will listen to my opinion. > >HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >http://worldcafecds.com "If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around your neck?" Linda Ellerbee _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:48:57 -0500 From: "Chuck Ellingson" Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig (& Cole Porter Poll) THE FOLLOWING IS WRITTEN WITH TONGUE PLANTED FIRMLY IN CHEEK: Dear Anthony, uh... I mean Ron, Did we wake up on the wrong side of NO ONE this morning?!? Is this not the believers' list? Do consumers not go out and spend hard-earned dough on remixes of every pop tune that cracks the Top Forty and play it 'til their ears bleed? (I know my sister used to!) Are we really going to go down that (Abbey?) road, comparing Susan to The Beatles? I don't have a problem with using the fab four as an archetype or some such thing. I love the Liverpudlians (though they're no Robbie Williamses)! Remake Sgt Pepper? Why? With (an)other arttist(s) or overdubbed multitudinous times? (Hey, I'd love to hear a Susan/Barb Werner duet! It's been almost two decades!) Don't dis Much At All. (I love that song, man!) I've already used Everybody's Talkin' as a quasi-punchline in an earlier missive; I'll let it fly... this time. Finally, not to be TOO vulgar, but if three sucks big time, BRING ON THREE! We now return you to your regularly scheduled believers' list. Peace, CWE >From: "Ron Rosen" >To: "Believers" >Subject: Re: SW Milwaukee PrideFest gig (& Cole Porter Poll) >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:35:18 -0700 > >Letting it all hang out on a West Coast Friday night: > > > Well, hey, she put "Still Believe" on three albums, and they were in a > > row! > >I wasn't thrilled about that, either. > > >The precedent has been set > >Not one I like, however. > > > I think it's a stronger song than "Still Believe", too, but this is > > probably the wrong list to say *that* on...:) > >I agree it's a great song, but I already have two of them. > > >Me thinks that the artist has the final say regardless of our votes! > >Yeah, but we vote with our wallets. Where's Anthony Marbuke when I need >him? > > >But if the next album tells the story of a women going from singledom, to >relationship land, back to singledom, back again with mr or ms relationship >then Cole >Porter is a perfect. > >I'll put on one of the previous CDs at that moment, or I'll imagine it. > > >Perhaps she'll change some words, or do some unique orchestration. > >Maybe she could do a remake of Sgt. Pepper. > > > I figure the next album will also repeat "Much at All". > >I hope not. > > > But hopefully all the other tracks will be brand new > >Don't you want another version of Everybody's Talkin' into the bargain? > > >and I think that someone on the list said that so far there were well >over ten or >twelve parts to the Romantic Song Cycle so you'd still be getting your >fifteen (or >sixteen) dollars worth from the album when it comes out! > >I do always feel a bit cheated, economically, when an artist repeats songs. >Especially when Susan is so prolific, and doesn't release that many albums, >I just >really don't want one, or, God forbid, two repeats on an CD. > > >Hey, the "I Believe" song made it on a whopping three albums, Baby Boomer >made it to >two albums plus a Christine Lavin compilation > >I think Baby Boomer is only on MSN, of Susan's albums. > > >so Cole Porter is just trying to follow suit :-) Isn't three a charm? > >No. Two sucks. Three sucks big time. > >The Beatles never resorted to this until they started to release >compilations, much >later. Of course that was before we reached the tape-trading era of >civilization, >where people want to own 100 shows by the same artist. > >HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >http://worldcafecds.com "If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around your neck?" Linda Ellerbee _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V6 #119 ******************************* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message