From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V6 #50 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Saturday, March 2 2002 Volume 06 : Number 050 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Publicity [Kellie Lin Knott ] Re: greatness and the grammies [Simona Loberant ] Re: the masses [PBCoustic@aol.com] Re: Re: greatness and the grammies [] random ramblings ["Charlie Sweeney" ] Re: ramblings [PBCoustic@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:54:19 -0600 From: Kellie Lin Knott Subject: Publicity Ron Wrote: > Thanks John, for posting the SF Chronicle article. It looks like someone's > doing some serious publicity for Susan around the new album. On Susan's website, there is a new contact listed for publicity - Press: The Press Network / Lisa Shively. Lisa seems to be doing a great job! The album is getting tons of press! Yay! =) Kel HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Simona Loberant Subject: Re: greatness and the grammies oh my goodness yes, the grammies do show us how much crud there is out there... although YAY for Oh Brother Where Art Thou which did win best album and got airplay only on independent radio stations! Not to mention U2, which is a great band regardless of the fact that they are commercially succesful. My Mom's husband is a voter for the Jazz Grammies and this is how works as he explained it. Some higher up people who have lots to gain as far as promotional money and gifts and favours make the decisions as to who gets nominated to be nominated. Usually they are spurred by the commercial success of an artists. After all, they have nothing to gain by nominating a musician who is very good and very unknown. They are putting on a show, and will choose only those artists who will let them put on a show that they can sell high priced commercials for. The Grammies have very very little to actually do with music. Even their Jazz division is dominated by unsavory practices and leaves out musicians whoh don't have majjor label contracts and who don't get featured in movie music. So, basically don't get too upset with the Grammy awards for promoting what lots of people on this list say is crap. It is crap, but its popular and commercially succesful and what the masses love to hear. And the Grammies need to put on a show for the masses, so they give them what they want. I think that Oh Brother won b/c the real musicians who vote for the awards were probably just thankful to have the chance to vote on something non commercial! (whether they actually liked the cd or not!) What scares me is that suddenly people cared who won folk album of the year.... The last thing we want is for folk to get commercial (its bad enough classical and jazz have become commercial too) ~Simona PBCoustic@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/28/02 9:38:17 PM Central Standard Time, ronsopas@earthlink.net writes: > If you saw the Grammies last night, you will continue to wonder at the > amount of crap > that is popular, while greatness haunts the small clubs. > > Amen, brutha..... PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com Simona L. Loberant http://www.geocities.com/loberant "Every now and then go away, even briefly, have a little relaxation, for when you come back to your work your judgment will be surer; since to remain constantly at work will cause you to lose power." **Leonardo da Vinci Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:36:12 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: the masses There was apparently an article out lately that mentioned that for the first time the sales of blank CDs were higher than sales of prerecorded CDs... as a friend of mine commented: "It just goes to show, that people would rather listen to nothing...." PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:48:46 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: greatness and the grammies The thing that amazed me was that Lucinda Williams won a Grammy for female rock vocal!!!! How crazy is that??? Charisse in Wichita (who returns to the list after a violent Magister B virus attack...) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:23:28 -0500 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: random ramblings Hi all, I didn't watch the Grammies, just read the results, and it occurs to me that the winners *weren't* all complete crap. Got some acoustic roots showing there, and ultimately, some folks will be turned on to acoustic music because of that, and that's a wonderful thing for the folk community in general. No Britny this year. And U2 doesn't suck. Although I wouldn't run out and buy their CDs, I certainly enjoy them in the mix on our local station WXPN. Simona's take on the Grammies seems spot-on to me. Now let's take a trip on the "Way Back" machine (old fogie reference alert). "Quiet, Sherman" Back in the '50's there was a scandal in the music industry called "Payola". Basically, record companies were paying DJ's to play their records. Congress investigated, laws were passed, careers ruined, radio promised it would "never happen again". Fast forward to now, and we have "Indies". Not independent record companies but independent representatives. They are the middle men who determine who gets played. They are paid by the record companies to promote records to radio, and get airplay. They are paid accordingly. And they pay the radio conglomerates, as well as offering major perks to the DJ's. The only difference between the'50's and the new millenium is a middleman, who takes a major cut before paying the payola. Incidently, the play stations at Borders, B&N, Tower, etc, are payed for as well. Music for most people is background. It plays in the car, in the supermarket, in the mall. Hardly anyone listens to the words, certainly not to the point of understanding, or feeling, an SW or Dar song. "The masses" want the familiar, nothing too challenging. Most genres outside of pop have some component of lyrical, melodic, or harmonic challenge about them. My oldest son listens to some sub-genre of punk music, and it's a lot more challenging than the crap I hear on the commercial stations (between the beer and condom commercials). I guess for his age group that's the equivalent of folk music in terms of popularity. At least he has the good sense to honor (and play)some Clapton, Hendrix, CSNY, Dar, and Susan Werner. Maybe we'll get a little family band going covering all these styles. Goin' out to see a guy named Kevin So tonight, a wonderfaul singer/songwriter with great guitar chops and a unique perpective on folk music. He calls himself "the only oriental folk singer" and sings about the usual things, as well as the experience of various ethnic groups including the Chinese. Very funny, very poignant, and a really nice man. Catch him if he's near you. You won't be hearing him on commercial radio, for sure. Charlie (=}===# _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:17:53 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: ramblings In a message dated 3/1/2002 9:24:53 AM Central Standard Time, charlies_vg@hotmail.com writes: > Music for most people is background. It plays in the car, in the > supermarket, in the mall. Hardly anyone listens to the words, certainly not > to the point of understanding, or feeling, an SW or Dar song. Yep... and most Folk/Acoustic is "foreground" music, as someone once said... PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V6 #50 ****************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message