From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V5 #286 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Friday, December 28 2001 Volume 05 : Number 286 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Re: Out of practice ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: Out of practice ["Ron Rosen" ] requests in general ["john vavrek" ] scripted & requests ["Susan Krauss" ] Re: scripted & requests ["Charisse D. Lowe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:57:25 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: Out of practice > This poster raises the only real reason not to do > requests and it really isn't a very good one. I've > seen Susan perform MOVIE OF MY LIFE many times and I > bet she's sung that song 5,000 times in front of > audiences. I agree that Susan could play this song any time she wants. But she didn't want to, and it's a lot easier to say, "I haven't played that in awhile" instead of "No, I'd rather not play that." > Plus, anyone that saw Dar Williams when she first > started hitting the clubs knows the wonderful charm of > seeing a performer forget her lines. She doesn't do > it so much anymore but it is funny when it happens and > even Dar would laugh about the whole experience. From what I read on the Dar list, and from seeing Dar within the last year, she still does it. Some might find it charming some might not. It might be charming for Dar, not charming for Susan. Dar and Susan strike me as very different people. > Susan's performances have become very scripted over > the last few years, really to her detriment. She once > was more sponteneous and impromptu. Have you noticed > her humorous interludes are getting shorter and less frequent? I have noticed that her shows are much more under her control than in the past. Her humorous interludes depend on the circumstances, I've seen them both ways depending on the venue. I have noticed that she is less inclined to encourage audience interaction. This might be because she's more into her music and more focused on it than on banter, or it could be that she got tired of it, or sick of it, or had less than good experiences. Who knows. Sounds like you're not that thrilled with her of late. How many more posts for today until I reach 80%? HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:58:19 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: Out of practice > This poster raises the only real reason not to do > requests and it really isn't a very good one. I've > seen Susan perform MOVIE OF MY LIFE many times and I > bet she's sung that song 5,000 times in front of > audiences. I agree that Susan could play this song any time she wants. But she didn't want to, and it's a lot easier to say, "I haven't played that in awhile" instead of "No, I'd rather not play that." > Plus, anyone that saw Dar Williams when she first > started hitting the clubs knows the wonderful charm of > seeing a performer forget her lines. She doesn't do > it so much anymore but it is funny when it happens and > even Dar would laugh about the whole experience. From what I read on the Dar list, and from seeing Dar within the last year, she still does it. Some might find it charming some might not. It might be charming for Dar, not charming for Susan. Dar and Susan strike me as very different people. > Susan's performances have become very scripted over > the last few years, really to her detriment. She once > was more sponteneous and impromptu. Have you noticed > her humorous interludes are getting shorter and less frequent? I have noticed that her shows are much more under her control than in the past. Her humorous interludes depend on the circumstances, I've seen them both ways depending on the venue. I have noticed that she is less inclined to encourage audience interaction. This might be because she's more into her music and more focused on it than on banter, or it could be that she got tired of it, or sick of it, or had less than good experiences. Who knows. Sounds like you're not that thrilled with her of late. How many more posts for today until I reach 80%? HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:32:49 -0800 From: "john vavrek" Subject: requests in general hey, who needs special effects to enjoy listening to a Pink Floyd song? i used to get all the visual effects i wanted at their concerts when i closed my eyes. so, sure they should take requests, too! and if they're dumb enough to fire one of their members, they should get someone to replace him who can fill that void!! after all, it's just playing songs, right? like on the record? a cover band of their-own-selves? ...and did Joe Jackson REALLY used to be a soccer player? awesome to go from being a rugged athlete to a punk/pop star, to jazz and finally composing classical music. boy, it must be an accomplishment for an ex-goalie to get 60 or so quality musical-instrument players together to perform a challenging composition ANYwhere, even a bowling alley or state fair! but then, i forget that they're probably all being paid union scale, and hired out of the union hall..., merely reading someone else's charts, and not actually committed to the music, to the performance, or to the composer.... just how much deeper can i stick my tongue in my cheek? and personally, if i haven't rehearsed a song for a while, even one of my old ones that i know down deep, i'm pretty guarded about who i'll perform it for. certainly not a largely new audience. maybe/probably for a small group of friends. interesting subject of conversation the original poster started here. thanks poster! john HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:27:04 -0800 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: scripted & requests I do have to agree that the shows seem less spontaneous. I have set lists for shows from 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2001 and they're almost identical. But we listen to albums over and over again so is that any different then an artist doing the same songs live all the time? However, I think this is a different issue than the question of requests. I think it's up to the artist about requests. Some are more comfortable than others and some nights are different than others. I like Joni Mitchell's comment about them - "It's like saying to Van Gogh - Paint a Starry Night again." Why should an artist agree to my request and not yours? How to decide? I've seen performers ask for requsts for an encore and so many different songs get shouted out that someone is bound to be disappointed. susan in alameda HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:40:52 -0600 From: "Charisse D. Lowe" Subject: Re: scripted & requests Ah yes, Joni would have a fabulous answer to the question of requests.... She is still the Queen. Long live the Queen! Charisse - -----Original Message-----! From: Susan Krauss To: believers@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: scripted & requests >I do have to agree that the shows seem less spontaneous. I have set lists >for shows from 1998, 1999, 2000 & 2001 and they're almost identical. But we >listen to albums over and over again so is that any different then an artist >doing the same songs live all the time? > >However, I think this is a different issue than the question of requests. I >think it's up to the artist about requests. Some are more comfortable than >others and some nights are different than others. I like Joni Mitchell's >comment about them - "It's like saying to Van Gogh - Paint a Starry Night >again." Why should an artist agree to my request and not yours? How to >decide? I've seen performers ask for requsts for an encore and so many >different songs get shouted out that someone is bound to be disappointed. > >susan in alameda > >HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V5 #286 ******************************* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message