From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V5 #241 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Saturday, November 17 2001 Volume 05 : Number 241 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- I took a long nap, I read a whole book [bern ] Re: the listening and reading list ["Beth McConnell" ] reading list ["mosh" ] Re: reading list [Kris Richardson ] the reading list ["tony'a lemos" ] Re: inspirations [PBCoustic@aol.com] Re: the reading list [Scoop52256@aol.com] sw at library [Kellie Lin Knott ] Re: the listening and reading list ["Sally Green" ] Re: Truckin' [PBCoustic@aol.com] In the changer... [Simon Aldrich ] May I suggest ["Sally Green" ] Re: In the changer... [Bodyworks4@aol.com] Re: Harmer [PBCoustic@aol.com] Sarah Harmer Disaster Rant ["Ron Rosen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:27:28 -0500 From: bern Subject: I took a long nap, I read a whole book recent reads: NNF: Reaping The Whirlwind: The Taliban Movement in Afghanistan - Michael Griffin Unholy Wars: International Terrorism and American Foreign Policy - John Cooley The Popes Against the Jews - David Kertzer Fist Person America (life story narratives collected by a New Deal committee during the Depression) - Anne Banks, ed. OF (old fiction): The Wind-Up Bird Chronicles - Haruki Murakami The Iron Heel - Jack London The Garden Of Eden - Hemingway Lord Of The Rings & The Harry Potter Quartet bks I want to read: salt: how it changed the world (or something like that) Civilization & Decadence? - whatshisname? Tulipomania - Anne Pavord the new Louise Erdrich book Beautiful Losers - Leonard Cohen a re-issue about Black September writers i hate: J.D. Salinger, Allen Ginsberg, Charlotte Bronte, Edmund Spenser, Anais Nin (sorry) writers i love: faulkner, mcCullers, Cormac McCarthy, Yukio Mishima, Chaucer, V.Woolf writers i fear: Paul Auster, James Joyce, Thomas Pynchon, Gertude Stein, Chaucer bern, who had been reading 2 bks a wk for 4 & 1/2 yrs until 9/11 "...nothing does stand still. nothing ever will..." SW - ---------------------------------------------------------- Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:16:58 -0600 From: "Beth McConnell" Subject: Re: the listening and reading list The last couple'a books I read were beyootiful in very different ways - _The God of Small Things_ by Arundhati Roy and _Range of Motion_ by Elizabeth Berg. Currently wrapped up with _A Staggering Work of Incredible Genius_ by * Eggers (Mark? Dave? don't have it in front of me). He has a flow of consciousness thing going on in his writing that I just adore (and follow completely ... some people prefer sculpted, more edumajakated-sounded writing but jeez, save it for the textbooks, imo). It wanders and meanders but always comes back around in the end. I've appreciated the cd playlists and now (hopefully) the reading list. Gives me ideas to check out at the library (^5 to tony'a ... or is it tony(a)? - libraries are fun places aren't they?! Wonder how to go about getting them to add SWs cds to the collection. Hmm. Beth : so here's my question to the rest of you guys: what books have you been : reading lately?!! i've actually read some new non-fiction. i read the : fellowship of the ring back in early October, then got back into social : studies. in my curiosity about why the world hates the United States of : America, i read Lies My Teacher Told Me, and Endless Enemies. yesterday i : started to read The Trial of Henry Kissinger. i suppose before too long : i'll have to lapse back into something romantic, or i'll..., i'll..., i : don't know, get depressed or arrested! or write a song about it!! HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:35:45 -0500 From: "mosh" Subject: reading list right, the reading list as of late: some has been for school, some has been for pleasure, and some ended up as both: john steinbeck: the acts of king arthur and his noble knights t.h. white: the once and future king marion zimmer bradley: the mists of avalon gillian bradshaw: hawk of may lewis carrol: alice in wonderland & through the looking glass dennis miller: ranting again neil gaiman: american gods various fairy tales by various authors (including charles perault, grimm brothers, hans christian anderson, and more [and some of these tales are REALLY sick!]) j.k. rowling: harry potter and the sorcerer's stone (had to get ready for the film) j.r.r. tolkien: the fellowship of the ring (trying to get ready for the film) philip roth: human stain rock on! stephen/MOSH HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 01 10:10:05 -0500 From: Kris Richardson Subject: Re: reading list Hey Mosh, if you like Tolkien, you should check out Robert Jordan and Terry Goodkind, who kind of took that style of fantasy to the next level. Kris >j.r.r. tolkien: the fellowship of the ring (trying to get ready for the >film) >stephen/MOSH HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:15:07 -0500 From: "tony'a lemos" Subject: the reading list here's what have i have been reading. . . i have been on a massive vandana shiva kick after hearing her speak at the Mofga Fair this summer(stolen harvest,the violence of the green revolution, ecofeminism are some of her books) also, i recently re-read Being Peace by Thich Nhat Hanh as well as a not so good book DeeTours by Dee Gagnon who writes about her adventure touring across the country on her sports bike, in my opinion it should have been called DeeWhines, as a woman biker i was drawn to it but . . . if you all had to recommend one book (lets say a novel) what would it be? i really liked The Red Tent by Anita Diamate- anyone else read that one? i do recommend it well that's it from me best get back to all the work related reading, a tall pile of books on herbal medicine sitting on my desk happy reading tony(a) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:20:54 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: inspirations In a message dated 11/16/01 12:01:58 AM Central Standard Time, jfvavrek@home.com writes: > the electric keyboards, though sounding really > good once they're recorded, don't inspire me that much when i'm just > noodling at home. > OK, John, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to cover "May I Suggest" on electric piano... Simple tune, but elegant.... Paul HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:22:07 EST From: Scoop52256@aol.com Subject: Re: the reading list In a message dated 11/16/01 7:20:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, barkberry@hotmail.com writes: > if you all had to recommend one book (lets say a novel) what would it be? > That's a tough one. I'd say 'As The Crow Flies' or 'Kane and Abel' both by Jeffrey Archer. For non-fiction, I'd suggest 'Miles From Nowhere' by Barbara Savage. Pamela HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:41:23 -0600 From: Kellie Lin Knott Subject: sw at library > Wonder how to go > about getting them to add SWs cds to the collection. Hmm. > Beth Best way to do it and make sure it gets done is to donate a copy yourself! Most Libraries take donations from their patrons. I've done it out here recently. Works! kel HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:50:30 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: Re: the listening and reading list John in Oregon wrote: >so here's my question to the rest of you guys: what books have you been >reading lately?!! i've actually read some new non-fiction. i read the One of the many, many reasons I'm looking forward to the Thanksgiving holiday is that I'm going home to my mom's house in rural Ohio (side note: that's one of the many, many reasons I love "Barbed Wire Boys" because SW starts that one by saying: "Well I come from the rural Midwest It's the land I love more than all the rest It's the place I know and understand Like a false-front building Like the back of my hand" I feel extra-connected to this song. No matter how long I live outside the Midwest (three years now, and I'm 28) I still feel like I know and understand it). The parentheses really do match up, check! But back to Thanksgiving! I'm leaving on Saturday and am going to spend a week at Mom's, and I'm bringing home a stack of books that I'm either in the middle of, or want to be in the middle of. (I love reading many books at a time.) The new non-fiction consists of: Savage Beauty: The Life of Edna St. Vincent Millay, by Nancy Milford Edna STVM had a fascinating life. The way she toured around the country doing readings reminds me of how our favorite folkies tour around - they just bring a guitar along with them. Passions Between Women: British Lesbian Culture 1668-1881, by Emma Donoghue Emma Donoghue writes lots of stuff, some of which is fiction set in this time period, and I suspect she had done enough research for her fiction that this book almost wrote itself! Irish born and raised, she now lives in London, Ontario (hi Gail) and is one of my favorites. Fiction: Angel of Darkness, by Samuel M. Key (pen name of Charles de Lint, a Canadian author) - horror Mrs. Dalloway, by Virginia Woolf - this one's slow going for me because it's rather dense Poems Between Women, ed. Emma Donoghue OKAY, OKAY, I'll admit it: a veritable ton of Star Trek-related fiction. - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com P.S. I'm loving NNF - this might be contending for my favorite SW album of all time. Did someone post that it was twangy and indicate that they didn't like that part of it? Well, if twang is wrong, then I don't want to be right. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:03:16 EST From: Bodyworks4@aol.com Subject: the listening and reading list The reading list! Nice addition... I am finishing The Powerbook, by Jeanette Winterson, and I am 3 chapters away from the finish *drum roll....* of writing my new novel "Chasing the Unicorn". I have a few publishers I am speaking to, but any suggestions would be welcome. Read on, all you edukatted folk! Barbara Strength in numbers could just apply to schizophrenics... Strength in numbers could just apply to schizophrenics... Return-path: From: Bodyworks4@aol.com Full-name: Bodyworks4 Message-ID: <63.1ca9241.2926b869@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:43:53 EST Subject: Re: the listening and reading list To: klknott@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain The reading list! Nice addition... I am finishing The Powerbook, by Jeanette Winterson, and I am 3 chapters away from the finish *drum roll....* of writing my new novel "Chasing the Unicorn". I have a few publishers I am speaking to, but any suggestions would be welcome. Read on, all you edukatted folk! Barbara Strength in numbers could just apply to schizophrenics... HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:45:27 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: the one book In a message dated 11/16/01 10:23:16 AM Central Standard Time, Scoop52256@aol.com writes: > if you all had to recommend one book (lets say a novel) what would it be? > Wow, that's a toughie... But I suppose my alltime faves would be: Carrion Comfort -- Dan Simmons (Horror) The Foundation Trilogy -- Asimov (SF) The Rape of the American Puritan Ethic -- Allan Sherman (old nonfiction) But don't make me choose one.... PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:47:00 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: Ohio Believers Say, Sal... where from? I grew up in Greenville, north of Dayton.... but have been in Texas since '80... Paul HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:31:39 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: Re: Ohio Believers >Say, Sal... where from? I grew up in Greenville, north of >Dayton.... >but >have been in Texas since '80... I'm from Oxford, Ohio, a college town (Miami University) about an hour north of Cincinnati, in southwestern OH. (I'm sure you know where Oxford is, Paul - - I'm just saying that for others' benefit.) I grew up in Darrtown, on Darrtown Rd., a small burg 3 miles outside of Oxford. My friends and family find that ironic, since I'm such a massive Dar Williams fan. Dar seemed not too wowed by the coincidence when I told her. Of course, she also claims to have named THE GREEN WORLD after some Shakespeare nonsense, rather than who we all REALLY know it was named after. Speaking of which, I passed a truck last weekend while driving that said "WERNER TRUCKING ENTERPRISES" and I thought "Hey, more stuff for the 'Alter Ego' part of SW's webpage!" - --SAG _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:48:59 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: Truckin' In a message dated 11/16/01 3:32:06 PM Central Standard Time, sallyagreen@hotmail.com writes: > I passed a truck last weekend while driving that said > "WERNER TRUCKING ENTERPRISES" I've thought that for a while... and now I think "I want a big, big, big, big truck...." PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:17:08 -0400 From: Simon Aldrich Subject: In the changer... Dave Carter/Tracy Grammer - Tanglewood Tree Joni Mitchell - Second Fret (Philly '67) Victoria Williams - Musings of a CreekDipper Neil Young - Rotterdam 7-24-01 Sarah Harmer - You Were Here Serge Gainsbourg - Gainsbourg Percussions Dar Williams - Sebatapol, CA (6-14-97) Simon HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:25:55 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: May I suggest Hey folks - a couple of things: 1. I was emailing off list with someone who indicated that the "sober as coffee in a styrofoam cup" wasn't their favorite word choice, in terms of "styrofoam." My thought on this is that it's reminiscent of an AA meeting, where lots of sober people gather, and coffee is almost always served, and usually in styrofoam cups. Just thought I would share - that's my impression of what that line is trying to convey. Not that the Barbed Wire Boys are recovering alcoholics, but that their manner is one of extreme sobriety. 2. My friend Cletus Kennelly, who I posted about once before, has come out with a 2-song CD. I wanted to tell everyone about it, but I didn't want to post a big long thing, so I made a page on my website about his music and about the new "45". You can check it out at: http://members.tripod.com/sagreen/cletus - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com P.S. And, of course, MY website is http://members.tripod.com/sagreen Happy Thanksgiving! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:54:22 EST From: Bodyworks4@aol.com Subject: Re: In the changer... Simon! I don't know many other Sarah Harmer fans! Great to know some more. What parts are you from? Barbara Strength in numbers could just apply to schizophrenics... HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:05:04 EST From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: Harmer In a message dated 11/16/01 10:54:56 PM Central Standard Time, Bodyworks4@aol.com writes: > I don't know many other Sarah Harmer fans! Great to know some more. > What parts are you from? > I picked up that CD as well back in the spring.... pretty decent... PB HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:13:19 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Sarah Harmer Disaster Rant > Simon! I don't know many other Sarah Harmer fans! Great to know some more. > What parts are you from? > Barbara Did any of y'all catch Sarah on the Letterman show several weeks ago? There's this character on Letterman named Biff Henderson, who is a sort of easy going fellow who goes with Dave's flow. So it's Biff's birthday and Dave says, "So it's your birthday, why don't you sing with the band?" Now if Biff had any class he would have removed himself politely with a smile, but No, Biff decided to get right in there and sing with Sarah Harmer's band. He shared a mike with the bass player and quickly figured out the chorus to sing along with the bass player. Well this is all well and good, but the problem is that now, instead of Sarah Harmer's 5 minutes of national exposure, it's turned into, "Isn't this cute, Biff is singing with the act?" So the camera is on Biff way too much, and I, who tuned in to see what Sarah was all about, am getting more and more annoyed that Biff is upstaging Sarah. And Sarah was a good sport, and maybe I'm projecting, but I think she was probably pretty annoyed underneath it all. I thought it was really tacky on the part of Letterman and Biff. To make matters worse, the next night, Dave has Biff on and they're talking about how cool that was, and how did Biff pick up the lyric so quickly, and they show clips from the night before, and I'm fuming again. You guys messed up her performance and now you're gloating on how cool it was that insensitive Biff upstaged this poor woman. That was my take. Anyone else see it? If so, did you have the same reaction. 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