From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V5 #206 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Monday, October 22 2001 Volume 05 : Number 206 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Re: Colin Linden [Kellie Knott ] Re: believers-digest V5 #204 [Loris1127@aol.com] Re: believers-digest V5 #204 ["Charisse D. Lowe" ] A Classic ["Charisse D. Lowe" ] Re: Jenkins guitar [PBCoustic@aol.com] Pitching ["Charisse D. Lowe" ] In defense of SW's management and Response to Pitching [Simona Loberant <] Re: In defense of SW's management and Response to Pitching ["Charisse D. ] Susan on Other Albums ["Ron Rosen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:03:17 -0500 From: Kellie Knott Subject: Re: Colin Linden Colin also produced "The Charity of Night" for Bruce Coburn - one of my favorites. =) >Colin Linden played guitar in Bruce Cockburn's band during the 'Dart to > the Heart' tour. > how did Susan and Colin hook up? I think they played a few dates (festivals, maybe?) together and gradually became aware of each other's work. Not sure, though. However it happened, I like the pairing. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:02:46 EDT From: Loris1127@aol.com Subject: Re: believers-digest V5 #204 In a message dated 01-10-20 18:22:43 EDT, you write: << That's not Susan the way I know her. That's a whole other thing." There are only a few songs that approximate the Susan-in-concert experience >> I go thru this every time, Ron - did it with Trains, too. You just have to accept that Susan in concert and Susan in the studio are two very different things. If it wasn't, I wouldn't go to concerts. This is one thing I dislike about Janis Ian in concert - she uses so many electronic gizmos that you lose the "live and acoustic" feel. But she's good at stories and patter, too! Lori in NH HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:17:37 -0400 From: "Charisse D. Lowe" Subject: Re: believers-digest V5 #204 I like the feel of the new CD - and I do think it's a good representation of Susan's live performance from a vocal standpoint. I am just having fits over All of the Above - it's hilarious. In fact, I started working out the chords to it this morning - I'm gonna add this to my mostly original repertoire. I had not heard one tune from this CD live, so I'm really listening hard - but have no live performances to which I can compare the songs. Misery is growing on me more every time I hear it. And yes (forgot who posted it), I do agree that Yellow Houses is a small diatribe on road-weariness. And to Lori's point on Janis Ian, I don't mind the electronic voicings Janis uses - there is no one who is more of a pro on stage. She is totally in charge and at ease. I don't find the separation you speak of - and that's odd for me because I am an acoustic junkie, after all! Charisse - -----Original Message----- From: Loris1127@aol.com To: believers@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: believers-digest V5 #204 >In a message dated 01-10-20 18:22:43 EDT, you write: > ><< That's not Susan > the way I know her. That's a whole other thing." There are only a few >songs that > approximate the Susan-in-concert experience >> > >I go thru this every time, Ron - did it with Trains, too. You just have to >accept that Susan in concert and Susan in the studio are two very different >things. If it wasn't, I wouldn't go to concerts. This is one thing I >dislike about Janis Ian in concert - she uses so many electronic gizmos that >you lose the "live and acoustic" feel. But she's good at stories and patter, >too! > >Lori in NH > >HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:35:12 -0400 From: "Charisse D. Lowe" Subject: A Classic Okay.. Barbed Wire Boys is a classic. A classic. God, she is good. There is not a bluegrass group out this way that wouldn't kill for a song like this..And Tammy Rodgers, who is more known as a fiddler in Nashville, adds just the right touch to the song with mandolin. Am I gushing? Sorry..... this is all new to me. I think I love Ron for picking up the CD for me.. now I know I'm on some dangerous music high this morning. Well, I did watch the entire Madison Square Garden show last night. Did The Who kick butt or what??? Charisse HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:47:46 EDT From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: Jenkins guitar In a message dated 10/21/01 10:38:00 AM Central Daylight Time, ronsopas@earthlink.net writes: << s the Jenkins guitar with the short neck the one that she got in Texas a year or two ago that you talked about? I'd never seen it before, but she's using it along with one Martin on this tour. >> Chris gave one to her at February's Dallas Uncle Calvin's show, I"m pretty sure... however, he also had given her another one the year before that... I remember hearing her tell him that she loved playing it.... Paul HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:58:09 -0400 From: "Charisse D. Lowe" Subject: Pitching Susan's management ought to get off their butts and pitch Big Car to Bonnie Raitt. Raitt likes to 'discover' new talent, and Susan might get a gig opening for Bonnie. Raitt's due for a new CD - this might help to get Susan the attention she so richly deserves. I can't help but feel that she's getting lost in a sea of lesser stars. One woman's opinion - but she was opening for people like Armatrading and Richard Thompson years ago. There needs to be some progress. Unless of course she likes it this way. Who can say, but Susan? Charisse HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Simona Loberant Subject: In defense of SW's management and Response to Pitching First of all I would like to say in defense of susan's management. I emailed her manager once looking for info on a venue. He responded the same day. Also, when I talked to susan at mariposa and mentioned that I was from ROchester NY she remembered playing there years ago and said she had to tell her manager to book her there again soon. Well, i also mentioned to her agent in the email I sent that I hoped to see her in Rochester or Pittsburgh soon. He told me that he had just booked her in rochester and gave me the date and an approximate date for when she'd be in PGH. I found that attention to a fan very flattering and it shows that the people who manage her career do care about her fan base. If susan starts opening for an performer like bonnie raitt then all her fans would only be able to see her in huge theaters playing a much shorter set and the tickets would cost two or three times as much. Then she is not susan werner headlining performer at her own show but some opening act for someone else. I think that she probably likes the more intimate settings and being the center of attention. I doubt most people would want to spend their careers just opening for people. True, she may win fans from opening for a big act. But, from what I saw at falcon ridge and mariposa she won a lot of fans just playing a festival. I personally think that festivals are the best marketing tool for these small artists. Its too bad the Lilith Fair strayed from their original formula and ended up folding in. (anybody else think that perhaps queen latifah and dar williams at the same concert was not a formula for success?) Perhaps if folk and jazz performers had their own roving festival Susan would fit right in. What I did see at Maripos and FRFF (the first two times I ever saw SW perform) was that people may come for just a few acts, but since they paid and drove there they stay for everthing. At Mariposa I remeber people on both sides of me just totally in awe of SW. One guy kept on saying why haven't I heard her before?! And at FRFF some of my fellow volunteers at the Kids tent went to a Workshop with me that featured Susan Werner. I think that out of the five who came along (and who had never heard SW before) at least three went and bought at least one CD each afterwards. That's pretty good considering that at a workshop a performer might sing only three or four songs. Personally I also feel that folk music in general gets absolutely no respect and is underadvertised. Most people don't even know what folk is. THey figure that its like country or that its all corny. Few people would hear susan, or dar, or lucy or richard shindell, or the nields etc.... and think country or corny.... yet no one hears them and their folk label works against them. (okay, i hope that made sense) - --- "Charisse D. Lowe" wrote: > Susan's management ought to get off their butts and > pitch Big Car to Bonnie > Raitt. Raitt likes to 'discover' new talent, and > Susan might get a gig > opening for Bonnie. Raitt's due for a new CD - this > might help to get Susan > the attention she so richly deserves. I can't help > but feel that she's > getting lost in a sea of lesser stars. One woman's > opinion - but she was > opening for people like Armatrading and Richard > Thompson years ago. There > needs to be some progress. Unless of course she > likes it this way. Who can > say, but Susan? > > Charisse > > HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to > believers@smoe.org > Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World > Cafe CDs > http://worldcafecds.com ===== Simona L. Loberant http://www.geocities.com/loberant "Every now and then go away, even briefly, have a little relaxation, for when you come back to your work your judgment will be surer; since to remain constantly at work will cause you to lose power." **Leonardo da Vinci Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:58:16 -0400 From: "Charisse D. Lowe" Subject: Re: In defense of SW's management and Response to Pitching Simona, I love your posts - and I do know that it might be harder to see Susan. But I've got to tell you that driving to 200 one night stands a year gets really old. Especially when lesser talented musicians seem to be garnering all the headlines and magazine coverage. I went to see Tracy Grammer and Dave Carter tonight at a small but really great club north of Wichita. Susan played here last year - and it was the only chance I had to see her all year. Most of us buy season's tickets to this place - that's how special it is, and how supportive the audience is to the venue. I mentioned Susan's new CD to the owner tonight, and he shook his head and said "I tried to get her back for this season, but her manager tried to hold me up for a higher ticket price because she sold out the house last time." Truth is, this venue always sells out for every show.. Anyway, her manager said she wouldn't play. Then he called back a month later to book the gig - too late. Susan loved the room - and most of the people had never heard of her but fell in love with her, bought CDs and would loved to have seen her again this year. I would have preferred that, too. I'm not sure her management is looking out for her best interests, that's all. It's a long old life, and a long old road - I'd like to see Susan have as much fame and recognition as she wants. Maybe she wants to drive thousands of miles a year and play little venues. I feel like she's losing ground. And she's too damned good to let that happen. Charisse - -----Original Message----- From: Simona Loberant To: believers@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: In defense of SW's management and Response to Pitching >First of all I would like to say in defense of susan's >management. I emailed her manager once looking for >info on a venue. He responded the same day. Also, when >I talked to susan at mariposa and mentioned that I was >from ROchester NY she remembered playing there years >ago and said she had to tell her manager to book her >there again soon. Well, i also mentioned to her agent >in the email I sent that I hoped to see her in >Rochester or Pittsburgh soon. He told me that he had >just booked her in rochester and gave me the date and >an approximate date for when she'd be in PGH. I found >that attention to a fan very flattering and it shows >that the people who manage her career do care about >her fan base. > >If susan starts opening for an performer like bonnie >raitt then all her fans would only be able to see her >in huge theaters playing a much shorter set and the >tickets would cost two or three times as much. Then >she is not susan werner headlining performer at her >own show but some opening act for someone else. I >think that she probably likes the more intimate >settings and being the center of attention. I doubt >most people would want to spend their careers just >opening for people. >True, she may win fans from opening for a big act. >But, from what I saw at falcon ridge and mariposa she >won a lot of fans just playing a festival. I >personally think that festivals are the best marketing >tool for these small artists. Its too bad the Lilith >Fair strayed from their original formula and ended up >folding in. (anybody else think that perhaps queen >latifah and dar williams at the same concert was not a >formula for success?) Perhaps if folk and jazz >performers had their own roving festival Susan would >fit right in. >What I did see at Maripos and FRFF (the first two >times I ever saw SW perform) was that people may come >for just a few acts, but since they paid and drove >there they stay for everthing. At Mariposa I remeber >people on both sides of me just totally in awe of SW. >One guy kept on saying why haven't I heard her >before?! And at FRFF some of my fellow volunteers at >the Kids tent went to a Workshop with me that featured >Susan Werner. I think that out of the five who came >along (and who had never heard SW before) at least >three went and bought at least one CD each afterwards. >That's pretty good considering that at a workshop a >performer might sing only three or four songs. >Personally I also feel that folk music in general gets >absolutely no respect and is underadvertised. Most >people don't even know what folk is. THey figure that >its like country or that its all corny. Few people >would hear susan, or dar, or lucy or richard shindell, >or the nields etc.... and think country or corny.... >yet no one hears them and their folk label works >against them. (okay, i hope that made sense) > > > > > > > >--- "Charisse D. Lowe" wrote: >> Susan's management ought to get off their butts and >> pitch Big Car to Bonnie >> Raitt. Raitt likes to 'discover' new talent, and >> Susan might get a gig >> opening for Bonnie. Raitt's due for a new CD - this >> might help to get Susan >> the attention she so richly deserves. I can't help >> but feel that she's >> getting lost in a sea of lesser stars. One woman's >> opinion - but she was >> opening for people like Armatrading and Richard >> Thompson years ago. There >> needs to be some progress. Unless of course she >> likes it this way. Who can >> say, but Susan? >> >> Charisse >> >> HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to >> believers@smoe.org >> Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World >> Cafe CDs >> http://worldcafecds.com > > >===== > >Simona L. Loberant http://www.geocities.com/loberant > >"Every now and then go away, even briefly, have a little relaxation, for when you come back to your work your judgment will be surer; since to remain constantly at work will cause you to lose power." >**Leonardo da Vinci >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org >Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs >http://worldcafecds.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:51:30 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Susan on Other Albums Appropos of absolutely nothing, I was just looking up Susan at www.half.com to see what was there, and I noticed several albums of other performers and compilations that Susan appears on. This is not a complete list, just the ones that are available at half.com right now: LifeLines Live (1996) - Peter, Paul, and Mary NY Journal (1998) - Michael Veitch If You Lived Here You'd Be Home By Now (2000)- The Nields (piano on 100 Names) Days Like Horses (2000) - Pete Nelson Live at the Iron Horse Vol. One (1997) - compilation (Cole Porter) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at World Cafe CDs http://worldcafecds.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V5 #206 ******************************* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message