From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V5 #6 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Friday, January 12 2001 Volume 05 : Number 006 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- a little help from my friends [Charlie Sweeney ] Re: believers-digest V5 #5 [Rjabalos@aol.com] Re: Poliics (was: believers-digest V5 #5) ["Ron Rosen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Sweeney Subject: a little help from my friends Hi all, If you are going to the Cleveland show, and would like to help Susan out, please reply to me at charlie@somethingblack.com An opportunity exists. Thanks, Charlie Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:28:11 EST From: Rjabalos@aol.com Subject: Re: believers-digest V5 #5 In a message dated 1/11/01 3:45:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-believers-digest@smoe.org writes: > hi everybody, happy new year. last weekend i played in framingham, mass., > and our friend Ric brought this to my attention: > leonard peltier is an american indian whose trial and conviction of the > murder of two FBI agents 25 years ago is widely suspected to be a > I wonder if this statement really is from Susan at all! She's a very intelligent woman and I don't believe for one second she would really believe Leonard Peltier is innocent of murder. The evidence against him is OVERWHELMING. He is a convicted murderer who the left wing in America has latched onto because he (1) is a Native American and (2) Was "fighting" for "environmental" and other causes on an Indian reservation when he and his two partners resorted to murder. Check out the facts, not the bogus claptrap found on "Free Peltier" websites. If you don't believe law enforcement sources as "biased" check out the number of major news reporting organizations (LA TIMES, etc.) that have looked at the case and concluded that Peltier is guilty beyond any doubt. Two young FBI agents just doing their job were ambushed, shot, and then executed at point-blank range. The fatal shots came from Leonard Peltier's gun, found in his car along with the weapons of the FBI agents. Peltier's own partners, who admitted they were there and participated in the murders, testified against him. Leonard Peltier had a long history of violence before and after the murder, he is no pacifist, this was no case of self-defense. How can anyone try to rationalize such bloodshed for political reasons? HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:32:18 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: Poliics (was: believers-digest V5 #5) > > hi everybody, happy new year. last weekend i played in framingham, mass., > > and our friend Ric brought this to my attention: > > leonard peltier is an american indian whose trial and conviction of the > > murder of two FBI agents 25 years ago is widely suspected to be a > I wonder if this statement really is from Susan at all! She's a very > intelligent woman and I don't believe for one second she would really believe > Leonard Peltier is innocent of murder. I am a huge fan of Susan, but I was disappointed in her message for two reasons (1) before I read it, I was hoping it would be about her and her life/music and (2) I think it is always dangerous when artists get involved in individual causes like this when there are two sides of the story, and the artist can't possibly know which side is right. It was ironic that Susan quoted Dylan at the end of her message. I remember when Dylan came out with his song Hurricane and he and a lot of other artists decided Hurricane Carter was innocent of murder. At the time I thought, "How does he know?" There is a great deal of evidence suggesting that, notwithstanding the "facts" set forth in the recent movie, Carter is indeed guilty. I think I heard that in recent years Dylan has acknowledged that he was wrong. I don't know anything about the Peltier case, but as the message from RJAbalos suggests, there are two sides to the story. Certainly a lot of FBI agents are very much opposed to a pardon for Peltier. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Sweeney Subject: RE:Politics Hi all, Some list owners take it upon themselves to vigorously moderate, i.e. censor, the lists which are entrusted to them. I'm not one of those. Feel free to discuss this subject to your hearts content, within the bounds of common courtesy to each other. For the record, I made one alteration to the original message. I changed the link from freepeltier.org to http://freepeltier. Susan's message ended with the sig - - -s- Everything from there down, nmarked "Editor's note" was from me, 'cause, like, I'm the editor. The Dylan quote was mine, not Susan's. It came to mind when I read her message, 'cause my life is one song cue after another :-) 'Twas written: > I wonder if this statement really is from Susan at all! She's a very > intelligent woman and I don't believe for one second she would really believe > Leonard Peltier is innocent of murder Well that implies that the listowner, a notably nefarios n'er do well, would attempt to subvert the list for his own political purposes by forging an e-mail from Susan. That might cause the listowner to be personally insulted. It's definitely not a good idea to piss off the listowner. And why would he endanger his high paying job in the e-mail list industry for that? ;-) Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V5 #6 ***************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- This has been a posting from the Susan Werner believers-digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the message