From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V3 #151 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Wednesday, July 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 151 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- Southern Believers [Laura Burgess ] what about those Northern Believers? :) [Yngve Hauge ] Singing Along ["Ron Rosen" ] RE: Singing Along ["Murphy, Steve" ] RE: Singing Along [Fred Ingham ] FRFF ["Charlie Sweeney" ] RE: Singing Along ["Murphy, Steve" ] Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] [meredith ] Re: Susan & Singing along [Carolyn Andre ] Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] [Charisse Lowe ] Re: Susan & Singing along ["Charlie Sweeney" ] Re: Susan & Singing along [PBCoustic@aol.com] RE: [believers-digest V3 #150] ["Murphy, Steve" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Laura Burgess Subject: Southern Believers Yes, you're right; "southern" has many different connotations. That term would rightly apply to my friend in Odessa, Texas, whom I converted as a Believer, and my pen-pals in Australia and New Zealand! I guess I just wanted to know that I wasn't the only one on the list from the Chattanooga "area" (which, due to our location, includes NW Georgia, SW North Carolina, and NE Alabama--but not L.A., Paul!) BTW, Ron, when are they going to make the Movie of YOUR Life? :) Well-Wishes to ALL Believers, Southern Believer _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:58:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: what about those Northern Believers? :) Hi, All this talk about Southern Believers has made me wondering about those Northern Believers. I guess I should consider myself one as I'm living up here in cold snowy Norway which is far from cold at the moment and there is no snow either :) Any others out there? - -- Yngve, who hopes to see Susan Werner in concert not tooooo long. n.p. Lamb - Lamb n.r. W3C - several documents about HTML standards (boring but anyway) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 99 09:41:50 EDT From: Angie Subject: Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] Hi all, it's Angie again. First of all, thank you so much for your suggestions... 'cause of finances I prob won't be buying this weekend, but will order from CD Now or something after pay day. I have a rather odd question... The only reason I bring it up is because a friend of a friend is in a band and complained about it on more than one occasion: any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. like I said, it's an odd question... but I figure the less opportunity for me to place large foot in gaping mouth at FR, the better for me :^) I'll be at FRFF from Fri to Sun, probably mostly wearing Fruvous gear of some sort... med brown hair, brown skin, maybe or maybe not glasses... say hi! - --Angie the shy and unnecessarily self-conscious one :^) They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:06:27 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Singing Along >any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I >have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her >music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a >friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to >the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. The only time it's ok to sing along is when Springsteen sings Hungry Heart, and he indicates that he wants you to. Steve (your friend of a friend) is right. I come to hear Susan, not someone who thinks the concert hall is their car. Those who want to sing should "get their own show." ;-)) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:37:00 -0500 From: "Murphy, Steve" Subject: RE: Singing Along I agree with Ron... I think it would have more of an impact on the audience members around you then it would on Susan herself (or any other performer for that matter). Myself? I appear to be singing along, but I don't let any audible words come out of my mouth. These "silent mouthing" spells come and go. I tend to gyrate for the most part. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rosen [mailto:ronsopas@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:06 AM To: Believers Subject: Singing Along >any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I >have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her >music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a >friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to >the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. The only time it's ok to sing along is when Springsteen sings Hungry Heart, and he indicates that he wants you to. Steve (your friend of a friend) is right. I come to hear Susan, not someone who thinks the concert hall is their car. Those who want to sing should "get their own show." ;-)) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:14:10 -0700 From: Fred Ingham Subject: RE: Singing Along An interesting counterpoint to this is that expectations vary by culture. I agree with Ron that most of the time here in the States, the only time to sing along is when invited by the performer. However, I went to a Dougie MacLean concert in Seattle not too long ago where he explained that in Scotland, everyone sings along with the singer, and it's part of the fun of the concert, and he had to get us Yanks to loosen up and get into it. It's just a fundamental part of the live folk genre there, apparently. So, we were invited to sing, and we all did (to usually pleasing effect), but it seems that in Scotland the invitation is implicit and understood. NOT singing along would be strange. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rosen [mailto:ronsopas@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 7:06 AM To: Believers Subject: Singing Along >any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I >have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her >music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a >friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to >the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. The only time it's ok to sing along is when Springsteen sings Hungry Heart, and he indicates that he wants you to. Steve (your friend of a friend) is right. I come to hear Susan, not someone who thinks the concert hall is their car. Those who want to sing should "get their own show." ;-)) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:42:29 -4000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: FRFF Hi all, Angie wrote: > I'll be at FRFF from Fri to Sun, probably mostly wearing Fruvous gear of some > sort... med brown hair, brown skin, maybe or maybe not glasses... say hi! Meeting place will be to the left of the stages at Susan's performances (as you face the stage) I'll be there in lower camping, I'll be wearing a large brimmed straw hat with a colorful headband by day, an army bush hat by night. I'll be touring Thursday night with the band and some followers, i'll be the one with the brown guitar. I'll post directions to my site on the message board under believers. I have some pins for sale at $2 each, you can get them from me and I'll turn them over to Jane when she arrives. I'll be off-list starting at 7 AM Thursday 'til the following tuesday. If your message doesn't make it to the list, you are probably posting from an addy other than the one you subscribe from. Behave yourselves and don't fight while the listmom is away ;-) Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black http://somethingblack.com http://susanwerner.com http://karensavoca.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:45:44 -0500 From: "Murphy, Steve" Subject: RE: Singing Along >>> So, we were invited to sing, and we all did (to >>> usually pleasing effect), but it seems that in >>> Scotland the invitation is implicit and understood. >>> NOT singing along would be strange. Kinda like that Belching in Japan thing :-) HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:05:26 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] Hi! Angie inquired: >any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I >have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her >music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a >friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to >the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. I don't know what Susan's feelings are, but I know that as an audience member, when someone around me is singing along, I find it incredibly rude, annoying, and distracting. I came to hear the artist up on the stage. If I can't do that, I get a bit snarked. Most of my concertgoing friends feel the same way I do. So Angie, if someone with a Believers pin and wearing a WPKN-FM hat turns around and tells you to shut the hell up, it's just a gut instinct on my part, and you can't say you weren't warned. Looking forward to meeting you and all the other Believers this weekend, +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:35:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Susan & Singing along On 21 Jul 1999, Angie wrote: > > I have a rather odd question... The only reason I bring it up is because a > friend of a friend is in a band and complained about it on more than one > occasion: > > any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? > music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a > friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to > the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. > Another strongly opinionated person here. Although I do draw a bit of distinction based on the type of venue and type of song. (more leeway at outdoor venues, totally rigid and intolerant of "audience participation" on ballads/unaccompanied/quiet songs, regardless of venue). I attend concerts to enjoy the musician's performance of their work. If they feel compelled to repeatdly invite audience participation, I'll tolerate it - altho I'm quite tired of the current "trend" of imitation 60s folk music 'singalongs' that are sometimes dragged out and inflicted on the audience. A $30+ concert really isn't a campfire ... Too much music nowadays is already treated as musical background wallpaper - - there are so few 'listening room' situations. It sadly has become "normal" to hear music in a coffeehouse or club where table service and conversations go on throughout the evening At "indoor" venues in particular, I consider people who sing along (univited) incredibly presumptious on many levels. Mainly that I and all other audience members want to hear a duet. Also that, somehow, expressing their enthusiasm about the music vocally is "better" than those of us in the audience who are enjoying the music in less audible ways. Having or not having a "good voice" isn't the issue. Neither was part of the concert the audience paid for. There are times I've stopped just short of handing the annoying talker or singer a $20 and asking them to go outside & buy a drink till the show is over! (admittedly, I was very conflicted a couple of years ago when Mary Chapin Carpenter was doing an acoustic tour. There was a 12-13 year old girl sitting immediately behind me, with her mother. This girl was singing along to nearly every song in the repertoire, including the many quiet ballads. I was quite touched by the fact that she had obviously been so moved by the music that she had learned all the non-CMT/TNN non-country songs! But she also bugged the h*ll out of me, and diminished my enjoyment of the concert quite a lot. ... I suffered quietly because I figured the "fuss" I'd create by turning around and asking her to stop would probably disrupt more of the audience than her singing did :-) Carolyn HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:40:19 -0500 From: Charisse Lowe Subject: Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] >> >At 09:41 AM 7/21/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>Hi all, it's Angie again. >> >> >>I have a rather odd question... The only reason I bring it up is because a >>friend of a friend is in a band and complained about it on more than one >>occasion: >> >Personally, as a performer, if I don't ask you to sing along, don't. It can be very distracting. From the concert-goers standpoint I look at it this way, if I pay $45 to see Mary Chapin, I am going to hear Mary Chapin, not members of the audience. I have always found it rude and insensitive when people sing along at a concert. > >One Woman's Opinion > > "People in Hell all want ice water" Lightnin' Hopkins HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:32:15 -4000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: Re: Susan & Singing along Hi all, I'll go ya all one better. When I'm trying to sing close harmonies with my compadres, whether it be a bar, a listening room, a campfire, or my living room, ya better not sing along. And don't bang on the freakin table either. I know some places in Philly where the people in the audience think it's their god given right to do this. It's a folky cultural thing in certain "circles" and it drives me nuts. I once presented an original song in such a setting and people were attempting to sing along on the chorus. Now how in hell could they reasonably expect to do that? Don't play that joint anymore. And even more maddening, when you tell the same people to sing along, they clam up. Go figure. FRFF tomorrow night. If I want you to sing I'll "tell" you to. Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black http://somethingblack.com http://susanwerner.com http://karensavoca.com HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:40:14 EDT From: PBCoustic@aol.com Subject: Re: Susan & Singing along In a message dated 7/21/99 12:37:31 PM Central Daylight Time, candre@enteract.com writes: << It sadly has become"normal" to hear music in a coffeehouse or club where table service and conversations go on throughout the evening >> That's another nice thing about Uncle Calvin's in Dallas... the audience is always very attentive, and coffee/desserts are obtainable only during set breaks, to take back to your table... Paul HELP! owner-believers@smoe.org Send mail to believers@smoe.org Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:51:11 +0800 From: "Murphy, Steve" Subject: RE: [believers-digest V3 #150] Well Angie.... I guess this all answers your question loud and clear :--)) This is one of the busiest days on the believers list that I can remember. I guess the votes are in! In Scotland --- Sing along. Around these parts --- Nyet! Steve - -----Original Message----- From: Angie [mailto:LladyYasmina@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 9:42 AM To: believers@smoe.org Subject: Re: [believers-digest V3 #150] Hi all, it's Angie again. First of all, thank you so much for your suggestions... 'cause of finances I prob won't be buying this weekend, but will order from CD Now or something after pay day. I have a rather odd question... The only reason I bring it up is because a friend of a friend is in a band and complained about it on more than one occasion: any feelings on Susan's feelings on fans singing along during concerts? I have a fair voice (sing in a few groups, do some musical theatre). I love her music and will belt it out in the car or at home. Steve (my friend of a friend) says he hates when people sing along to ballads and they're close to the stage because often times they sound off-key to him and it's distracting. like I said, it's an odd question... but I figure the less opportunity for me to place large foot in gaping mouth at FR, the better for me :^) I'll be at FRFF from Fri to Sun, probably mostly wearing Fruvous gear of some sort... med brown hair, brown skin, maybe or maybe not glasses... say hi! - --Angie the shy and unnecessarily self-conscious one :^) They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. 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