From: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org (believers-digest) To: believers-digest@smoe.org Subject: believers-digest V2 #61 Reply-To: believers@smoe.org Sender: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-believers-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk believers-digest Monday, April 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 061 In Today's believer's digest: ----------------- just chatting [Suzan Lipson/Debra Schwartz ] [none] ["Kristi A. Markus" ] Re: ["Josef W. Wankerl" ] LOTGSG and pop arrangements ["Charlie Sweeney" ] Re: just chatting [Leslie Dreyer Kalra ] Re: just chatting [Christopher Russell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:07:17 +0100 From: Suzan Lipson/Debra Schwartz Subject: just chatting Howdy all, All this talk & cyberspeculation about the new album got me thinking about some of those only sang a few times songs which I really enjoyed- Isobelle-anyone else remember that one, I would also like to hear Bothisattva and Beamer again, & Fall from Grace & I'll take it....Susan has enough material to fill a couple tp great CD's. I am hoping that the new CD is less syntheic & pop-like than the last and more like Susan live. Also I loved the original version of Last Of The Good Straight Girls- the live at the Tin Angel Version. Anyone out there also prefer that one and any one know why she changed it...mellowed it out. Well that's it for now Blessings Tony(a) - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:20:55 -0400 From: "Kristi A. Markus" Subject: [none] Does anyone have a list of all the sampler CD's/other CD's that Susan has been on besides her own? Is there anyone going to the Eddie's Attic show? I can hardly wait. WOOHOO!! Been lurking for months but no longer, Kris Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black charlies@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies "Caught in my struggle for higher achievement and my search for love, that don't seem to cease" ...Joni Mitchell - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:57:27 -0400 From: "Josef W. Wankerl" Subject: Re: On 04/19/98 7:20 PM Kristi A. Markus (kris1@mindspring.com) wrote: >Is there anyone going to the Eddie's Attic show? I will be there. It's been about 2 years since I've seen Susan live - this is going to be a treat! - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:09:00 +0000 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: LOTGSG and pop arrangements Hi believers, Tony wrote: >I am hoping that the new CD is less synthetic & pop-like than the >last and more like Susan live. Also I loved the original version of >Last Of The Good Straight Girls- the live at the Tin Angel Version. >Anyone out there also prefer that one and any one know why she >changed it...mellowed it out. Last question first. When I last saw Susan in Media PA a few months ago, LOTGSG had taken on an almost wistful quality, innocence lost-and sadly missed. I quite enjoyed it as did my friend and musical compatriot Doug Tilghman who is quite a good songwriter himself. "it's keys in the hand and a gun in the pocket" seemed poignantly sad, perhaps the reflection of the growth of an artist- more likely the growth of a person. The anger seemed to be gone. As for the production on the album, Susan herself(in a great interview with Paul Porzio) criticized "Signing your name" as being over produced. As a child of the sixties (I was 21 yrs old in 1969-doesn't scan well does it ;-) I tend to look at the whole CD (we used to call them albums) as a whole. I think LOTGSG holds together well as a complete work. The title song certainly retains the acoutic guitar sound, without letting the other voices detract. On the other hand, "Signing your name" lets both Susan's voice and the voice of her piano come clearly thru. I like the arrangement a lot, and I like the song a lot. Since the name of the game is "singer/songwriter" I think the real judgement is "How do the songs affect the listener, can they stand alone without the arrangement". Most of us have heard Susan live, so we know the answers to these questions. And I think we would agree that LATA, as good as it is, is a pale substitute for Susan live. I personally would like to see how these great new tunes would sound with additional accompaniment. My aforementioned partner was absolutely floored by the brilliance of these tunes, so they certainly stand alone. Now I would like to hear them in ensemble. Just my $.02 Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black charlies@voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies "Caught in my struggle for higher achievement and my search for love, that don't seem to cease" ...Joni Mitchell - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Leslie Dreyer Kalra Subject: Re: just chatting > Also I loved the original version of Last Of > The Good Straight Girls- the live at the Tin Angel Version. Anyone out > there also prefer that one and any one know why she changed > it...mellowed it out. Yes! I much prefer the original version of LotGSG (on Tin Angel) -- it seemed like more of a process from beginning (introspective, wistful, hopeful) to end (angry, resentful of having to live that way). I got the impression that the new arrangement was done for the LotGSG album -- the timing was about right, if memory serves -- probably to improve sales -- the newer arrangement is more mainstream, IMHO. The old arrangement would have put her right in the folk bin; the newer one was more crossover. I haven't been to a concert in a *really* long time now, so if this song has had another incarnation, I look forward to hearing it. Hoping to hit Concert Under the Stars in King of Prussia next month with the family. In general, I just don't enjoy Susan's studio albums as much. Susan is an "experience" that can only be appreciated live (preferably in the front row at a small place like Tin Angel with Susan wailing on the guitar bridge of "Great Out There" while standing on our table). I'm for another live album, though I imagine they're harder to produce. It's not the real thing, but I'll settle for it. That reminds me of a contest that Private Music had when she first joined their label. They had some sort of a mail-in raffle, and the prize was a private Susan concert in your house. I prayed to every God I knew, but never heard anything more about it. Did some lucky soul win it??? If so, are you here? Sorry I've gone on so long. It's another way to procrastinate... Leslie lbd@techiesinc.com - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:07:49 -0400 From: Christopher Russell Subject: Re: just chatting This discussion of Susan live versus the studio albums is one that I've had many times with friends and SW fans. Here are my observations or (to borrow from Charlie) my $0.02. When watching Susan live I get the sense that there is a full orchestra in her head that she is hearing. That she wrote a fully arranged composition and we are experiencing just one facet of it. The beauty of the absence of the instrumentation is that our imagination fills in all the nuances alluded to by Susan's VOICE FROM GOD. When one hears the CD you get the whole picture as she painted it. Less is left to the imagination. Charlie mentions Susan as "singer/songwriter" and my interpretaion of this is "story teller" Her live shows are so powerful because she is singing "TO" us. Talking with us. My feeling is that while LOTGSG is vocally and instrumentally perfect, Susan wasn't singing TO anyone, real or imagined. To be sure, Susan live is like Olivier on stage. One can appreciate the art on tape but will never understand, never comprehend the genius and depth of such a deeply human and compassionate performer. - -************************************************************************************* - -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list - -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers"in the body of the message. - -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org - -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com - -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com - -************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of believers-digest V2 #61 ****************************** -************************************************************************************* -This has been a posting from the Susan Werner "believers" list -To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe believers-digest" in the body of the -message. -To post to the list send mail to believers@smoe.org -To reach a human, send to charlies@voicenet.com -Susan's CD's are available on your desktop at songs.com -*************************************************************************************