From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V13 #86 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, May 4 2009 Volume 13 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" ["Dutchmarc" Subject: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Got a question. How would you describe a performance in front of a live audience but the music and/or vocals are from 'tape'? Live? Semi-Live? On YouTube I label these performances as "Live" but every now and then I get the comment that it's not live. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ATNNuPmuk Thanks, Marcus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:26:02 -0500 From: "m e" Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Many years ago, I was able to see Electric Light Orchestra live in concert. They were on their Out of the Blue tour which heavily used synthesizers-- in addition to their strings and other keyboard instruments. Most of that was on tape, because it was noted that to set up the synths differently for every song would have taken hours; the 'concert' would have taken days. IMHO if the performers are live and the audience is live, it's 'live' for me. I sure wouldn't complain about seeing them in concert in this way. Mike in AR (habitual lurker) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dutchmarc" To: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" > > Got a question. How would you describe a performance in front of a live > audience but the music and/or vocals are from 'tape'? > > > > Live? Semi-Live? > > > > On YouTube I label these performances as "Live" but every now and then I > get > the comment that it's not live. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ATNNuPmuk > > > > Thanks, > > Marcus - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release Date: 05/02/09 14:23:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release Date: 05/02/09 = 14:23:00 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:00:15 -0500 From: Bev Okin-Larkin Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Not to be mean, but Milli Vanilli comes to mind LOL But actually we ALL KNOW in the heyday of American Bandstand and the like - that often the artists were lipsynching to their own songs. That was/and IS how the music industry does things. So yah, we do have some clips of Matt Bianco probably lipsynching their stuff on a few videos - so what. I really don't have a problem with it - what I do hate is those artists who purposely "Sweeten" their vocals by covering their live stuff with backing tracks so they can run around and dance and "sing" - like Beyonce, Britney, New kids on the block and others have done. I'd prefer a real singer sitting with a tape of the music and singing true vocals and such. Some people are pickier than me. - -- Bev Okin-Larkin Dutchmarc wrote: > Got a question. How would you describe a performance in front of a live > audience but the music and/or vocals are from 'tape'? > > > > Live? Semi-Live? > > > > On YouTube I label these performances as "Live" but every now and then I get > the comment that it's not live. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ATNNuPmuk > > > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > - -- - -- Bev Okin-Larkin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "marzenie_99@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Milli Vanilli had such a sad story, who knew that they were just ahead of their time. :/ Except for the clip of "Half a Minute" that's on basiasongs, Matt Bianco 1.0 always mimed. I would say, "Matt Bianco- More Than I Can Bear on Italian TV" or something. It's no bust on MB to say they mimed, this was very common. Still is in some respects. I really doubt there's any way even those athletic types could sing and run around. I'm going to see NKOTB with my girlfriends, I'll let you know! (Hey, it was nostalgia-- we were all about them in junior high! And the tix were $12, and it's down the street, lol!) Leslie - ----- Original Message ---- From: Bev Okin-Larkin To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:00:15 AM Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Not to be mean, but Milli Vanilli comes to mind LOL But actually we ALL KNOW in the heyday of American Bandstand and the like - that often the artists were lipsynching to their own songs. That was/and IS how the music industry does things. So yah, we do have some clips of Matt Bianco probably lipsynching their stuff on a few videos - so what. I really don't have a problem with it - what I do hate is those artists who purposely "Sweeten" their vocals by covering their live stuff with backing tracks so they can run around and dance and "sing" - like Beyonce, Britney, New kids on the block and others have done. I'd prefer a real singer sitting with a tape of the music and singing true vocals and such. Some people are pickier than me. - -- Bev Okin-Larkin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "marzenie_99@yahoo.com" Subject: OT: my brother on Jimmy Kimmel This is live. ;) My brother is one of the 8 lead singers in the 80s-retro-style pop-metal band Bang Camaro (as seen on Guitar Hero and Rock Band) and they were on Jimmy Kimmel Live last week http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZwxK7opcYg&feature=related Bro is stage left, toward the center, in a short-sleeve blue plaid shirt, leather cuffs and chops. Tall skinny bloke-- he got the looks in the family! Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:23:32 +0000 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" There's a big difference (IMO) in Milli Vanilli and the others. MV never sang their own stuff. There were 2 other guys that sang it and the guys we saw just lip-synced to it. After the truth came out one of them tried going out on his own but he had little success. I usually don't have a problem with an artist lip-syncing their own stuff, especially if the venue isn't great. But MV was a scam from day one. I didn't really feel sorry for them, they knew what they were doing. It was sad that one committed suicide but I think it was crap to blame it on the scam. When you know you are scamming people then you have to be prepared to face the consequences when you get caught. Barry Sent on the Now Network from my SprintB. BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "marzenie_99@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Perhaps. But can someone who has their voice manipulated to the nth be any less of a scam? If a computer and a production team are doing the heavy lifting I don't see it being all that different. (I also have no issue with miming on TV) Leslie - ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 9:23:32 PM Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" There's a big difference (IMO) in Milli Vanilli and the others. MV never sang their own stuff. There were 2 other guys that sang it and the guys we saw just lip-synced to it. After the truth came out one of them tried going out on his own but he had little success. I usually don't have a problem with an artist lip-syncing their own stuff, especially if the venue isn't great. But MV was a scam from day one. I didn't really feel sorry for them, they knew what they were doing. It was sad that one committed suicide but I think it was crap to blame it on the scam. When you know you are scamming people then you have to be prepared to face the consequences when you get caught. Barry Sent on the Now Network from my SprintB. BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 02:19:12 +0000 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Oh I'm not talking about people like Brittney, Beyonce, or Ashlee who can't sing. I don't even consider them musicians. They're just commercial products. I'm talking people with talent who perform in venues that aren't great. If they lip-sync to make up for a bad situation or something like that I don't mind it. Barry Sent on the Now Network from my SprintB. BlackBerry - -----Original Message----- From: "marzenie_99@yahoo.com" Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:51:50 To: Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" Perhaps. But can someone who has their voice manipulated to the nth be any less of a scam? If a computer and a production team are doing the heavy lifting I don't see it being all that different. (I also have no issue with miming on TV) Leslie - ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 9:23:32 PM Subject: Re: "This aint live...but thanks for posting anyway" There's a big difference (IMO) in Milli Vanilli and the others. MV never sang their own stuff. There were 2 other guys that sang it and the guys we saw just lip-synced to it. After the truth came out one of them tried going out on his own but he had little success. I usually don't have a problem with an artist lip-syncing their own stuff, especially if the venue isn't great. But MV was a scam from day one. I didn't really feel sorry for them, they knew what they were doing. It was sad that one committed suicide but I think it was crap to blame it on the scam. When you know you are scamming people then you have to be prepared to face the consequences when you get caught. Barry Sent on the Now Network from my SprintB. BlackBerry ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V13 #86 ***************************