From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V12 #9 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, January 25 2007 Volume 12 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer ["Gary Wingert" ] RE: OT - Lyrics ["Gary Wingert" ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer ["Gary Wingert" ] Re: Basia to do torch tunes? [ZZsaZZsa@aol.com] Re: Basia to do torch tunes? [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Basia to do torch tunes? [Rob McCausland ] Re: Basia to do torch tunes?~ [J3SITE@aol.com] Re: Basia to do torch tunes?~ [Rob McCausland ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:55:48 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer This war between Sony and Toshiba goes back to the creation of the DVD itself. They both had competing and incompatible formats. In talks to try to reconcile the differences into a single standard to avoid a format war, it basically went the same way the Chrysler-Mercedes merger went. Publicly it was called a merger of equals. It is now obvious that Mercedes controls everything in that relationship. Well, even though the public announcement said that Sony's camp and Toshiba's camp (there were companies taking sides then, too) had both given in a little to come to an agreement, it came out later that Sony totally gave in, remembering the sting of the Beta/VHS wars. Well, Sony's spec for DVDs was better than Toshiba's, so the consumer got an inferior product as a result. At least it was inferior to what it could have been. Well, Sony and Philips stood there ground on recordable DVDs and the clowns at the DVD Forum wouldn't recognize DVD+R as a legit format, even though it's better than DVD-R. Thank God Sony and Philips stood their ground in the recordable DVD wars and ditto for Hi-Def DVDs. Quoting Gary Wingert : > > There are already moves underway to create dual-format players and > Warner has Total Hi Def, which will have HD DVD on one side and Blu-Ray > on the other. > > Sony might very shoot themselves in the foot again like they did with > Betamax, trying to be a moral authority. History has shown that VHS > beat Betamax because the pornography industry embraced it, even though > Betamax was a superior format. Sony recently has stated they will not > issue Blu-Ray authoring licenses to the porn industry (you need a > license from Sony to produce Blu-Ray DVDs!). > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/porn_backs_hddv.html > > Also, Wired magazine ran an article recently that Sony has put all their > marbles into the PS/3 - if it fails, the whole company could collapse. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html > > It's Sony's game to lose.. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve Richardson > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:19 PM > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Subject: Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > > > > I'm just hoping both new formats meet the same fate as SACD > > and the other > > high-end CD format, that is, general consumer indifference. > > I think they > > are going to have problems convincing folks that switching to > > Blu-Ray or > > whatever offers benefits that justify the expense. > > > > Steve R. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leslie Osborn" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > > > > > > > > Well, that's good then. > > > > > > Personally I'm in no hurry to change formats-- this > > > is all sounding too familiar and too dicey, until everyone > > settles on a > > > format > > > again that is The Standard, I'm not investing jack in jack. :-) > > > > > > -- Leslie O. > > > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > > > > > > > > Aim for the > > > sky. > > > If you aim for the trees, you might hit the floor. > > > --Identikal design > > > firm quoted in Computer Arts mag... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Bill > > > Roberts > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, > > > 2007 10:00:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > > > > > > > Sorry Leslie, but > > > Blu-Ray is NOT a Sony proprietary format. It was developed > > > by Sony, Philips, > > > and some other companies. It is clearly superior to HD-DVD > > > in storage > > > capacity. And there is only one movie company that is supporting > > > ONLY > > > HD-DVD. This is almost the exact same scenario that occured with > > > recordable > > > DVDs. There were two competing formats: DVD-R and DVD+R. Toshiba, > > > who > > > helped develop the HD-DVD format also supported DVD-R. > > Well there was a > > > technical paper put out explaining all the different ways DVD+R was > > > superior > > > to > > > DVD-R. So once again Toshiba is on the wrong side of the war. They > > > supported > > > the inferior DVD-R format and they are now supporting the inferior > > > HD-DVD > > > format. Several different sources in the industry have noted that > > > Blu-Ray is > > > likely to win because of the added content DVD owners expect from > > > movies they > > > buy. Even with a dual-layer HD-DVD disc you have only about 30gb > > > os storage. > > > A dual-layer Blu-Ray with have 50gb. HD-DVD is trying to > > > compete with 3-layer > > > discs, but a four-layer Blu-Ray disc with 100gb of > > > storage has already been > > > demonstrated. For long movies like Lord of the > > > Rings, that extra capacity will > > > be welcome. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > _______________ > > > _______ > > > It's here! Your new message! > > > Get new email alerts with the free > > > Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:56:48 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer I'm not sure how much God had to do with DVD+R/Blu-Ray :) (What would Jesus burn?) (grin) Anyway, DVD+R was Sony/Philips response to DVD-R. If you recall, they get a royalty for every CD and CD-R ever manufactured and pressed. With the advent of DVD-R, they saw that lucrative payoff slipping away, so they invented DVD+R, which is not superior, it's just another storage medium, only incompatible with DVD-R, which had been around for over 3 years at that point. btw, DVD's would have had a 5gb capacity were it not for Sony/Philips inferior EFMPlus error-correction scheme. Whatever. The HD format wars will dwarf DVD, with no guarantee that the so-called "best" will win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Bill Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:56 AM > Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > This war between Sony and Toshiba goes back to the creation > of the DVD itself. > They both had competing and incompatible formats. In talks > to try to reconcile > the differences into a single standard to avoid a format war, > it basically went > the same way the Chrysler-Mercedes merger went. Publicly it > was called a > merger of equals. It is now obvious that Mercedes controls > everything in that > relationship. Well, even though the public announcement said > that Sony's camp > and Toshiba's camp (there were companies taking sides then, > too) had both given > in a little to come to an agreement, it came out later that > Sony totally gave > in, remembering the sting of the Beta/VHS wars. Well, Sony's > spec for DVDs was > better than Toshiba's, so the consumer got an inferior > product as a result. At > least it was inferior to what it could have been. Well, Sony > and Philips stood > there ground on recordable DVDs and the clowns at the DVD > Forum wouldn't > recognize DVD+R as a legit format, even though it's better > than DVD-R. Thank > God Sony and Philips stood their ground in the recordable DVD > wars and ditto > for Hi-Def DVDs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:11 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: OT - Lyrics I usually google the artist and/or song title with "lyrics" and have excellent luck in finding something. Too many of the sites have popup ads and junk.. :( A promising lyrics site that runs off the Wiki concept: http://www.lyricwiki.org/Main_Page Gary Jim P. wrote: > Could anyone let me know if there is a definitive web site > for lyrics out there, or, if not, just some good ones? > > Thanks > > Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:30:02 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer Quoting Gary Wingert : > > , so > they invented DVD+R, which is not superior, it's just another storage > medium, only incompatible with DVD-R, which had been around for over 3 > years at that point. btw, DVD's would have had a 5gb capacity were it > not for Sony/Philips inferior EFMPlus error-correction scheme. > > Whatever. The HD format wars will dwarf DVD, with no guarantee that the > so-called "best" will win. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD > I read a technical paper a few years ago that examined in great detail the differences between DVD-R and DVD+R. In every instance, and in their testing, DVD+R was found to be superior to DVD-R. But since you have a link to Wikipedia, I'll post another one, that states that the ADIP system, used by DVD+R, for tracking and speed control is superior to the LPP system used by DVD- R, which makes for higher speeds possible in recording, also known as "wobble tracking". In addition, the error management system used by DVD+R is more "robust" than the system used by DVD-R allowing for more accurate burning. This corresponds to the many items mentioned in the tech paper I read. There is more in the Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD+R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:07:47 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer Indeed, it seems +R is a better format technologically and in laboratory measurements. As the Wiki article states, "There are a number of significant technical differences between the dash (or "minus") format and the plus format, though most consumers would not notice the difference", and "As of 2006, the market for recordable DVD technology shows little sign of settling down in favor of either the plus or dash formats..". It goes on to state that DVD-R has a five-year lead on DVD+R, and "..when creating DVD's for distribution (where the playing unit is unknown or older) the DVD-R format would normally be preferable." So, again, whatever. This discussion probably belongs in another forum more suited to the +R/-R and HD DVD/Blu-ray flame wars. :) Back to Basia, I suspect... > I read a technical paper a few years ago that examined in > great detail the > differences between DVD-R and DVD+R. In every instance, and > in their testing, > DVD+R was found to be superior to DVD-R. But since you have > a link to > Wikipedia, I'll post another one, that states that the ADIP > system, used by > DVD+R, for tracking and speed control is superior to the LPP > system used by DVD- > R, which makes for higher speeds possible in recording, also > known as "wobble > tracking". In addition, the error management system used by DVD+R is > more "robust" than the system used by DVD-R allowing for more > accurate > burning. This corresponds to the many items mentioned in the > tech paper I > read. There is more in the Wikipedia article. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD+R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:46:00 EST From: ZZsaZZsa@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia to do torch tunes? First, thanks for the well wish regarding my pregnancy....so many great friends on this list! Second, I would like to hear Basia do something by the Carpenters. Third, GO BEARS!!!!! - -Sheryl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:57:03 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia to do torch tunes? Second, I would like to hear Basia do something by the Carpenters. Great idea, I'd love to hear her do "Superstar". No better not, nobody could hit that as perfectly as Karen Wait a minute here, am I suggesting that Basia do another REMAKE? lol Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:31:07 -0500 From: Rob McCausland Subject: Re: Basia to do torch tunes? The Rainbow Connection? John Williams penned, well-covered also by Rockapella, Judy Collins, Lea Salonga, Willie Nelson, Kenny Loggins, Jason Mraz, and of course, the Muppets. ~Rob McCausland On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:46 PM, ZZsaZZsa@aol.com wrote: > > First, thanks for the well wish regarding my pregnancy....so many > great > friends on this list! > > Second, I would like to hear Basia do something by the Carpenters. > > Third, GO BEARS!!!!! > > -Sheryl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:15:34 EST From: J3SITE@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia to do torch tunes?~ In a message dated 1/24/2007 10:33:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rob@bevcam.org writes: The Rainbow Connection? John Williams penned, well-covered also by Rockapella, Judy Collins, Lea Salonga, Willie Nelson, Kenny Loggins, Jason Mraz, and of course, the Muppets. ~Rob McCausland Wasn't that Paul Williams? ~Joe~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:10:06 -0500 From: Rob McCausland Subject: Re: Basia to do torch tunes?~ Right right. My bad. ~Rob On Jan 24, 2007, at 11:15 PM, J3SITE@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/24/2007 10:33:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rob@bevcam.org writes: > > The Rainbow Connection? > > John Williams penned, well-covered also by Rockapella, Judy Collins, > Lea Salonga, Willie Nelson, Kenny Loggins, Jason Mraz, and of course, > the Muppets. > > ~Rob McCausland > > > > Wasn't that Paul Williams? > > ~Joe~ ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V12 #9 **************************