From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V12 #8 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Wednesday, January 24 2007 Volume 12 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Leslie Osborn ] Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer ["Steve Richardson" ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer ["Gary Wingert" ] RE: Basia to do torch tunes? ["kdavis5" ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] Re: Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Bill Roberts ] Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Paxety Pages ] Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer [Leslie Osborn ] OT - Lyrics [JPovlock@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:34 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer Sorry Leslie, but Blu-Ray is NOT a Sony proprietary format. It was developed by Sony, Philips, and some other companies. It is clearly superior to HD-DVD in storage capacity. And there is only one movie company that is supporting ONLY HD-DVD. This is almost the exact same scenario that occured with recordable DVDs. There were two competing formats: DVD-R and DVD+R. Toshiba, who helped develop the HD-DVD format also supported DVD-R. Well there was a technical paper put out explaining all the different ways DVD+R was superior to DVD-R. So once again Toshiba is on the wrong side of the war. They supported the inferior DVD-R format and they are now supporting the inferior HD-DVD format. Several different sources in the industry have noted that Blu-Ray is likely to win because of the added content DVD owners expect from movies they buy. Even with a dual-layer HD-DVD disc you have only about 30gb os storage. A dual-layer Blu-Ray with have 50gb. HD-DVD is trying to compete with 3-layer discs, but a four-layer Blu-Ray disc with 100gb of storage has already been demonstrated. For long movies like Lord of the Rings, that extra capacity will be welcome. Bill Quoting Leslie Osborn : > > Blue Ray is Bullshiz. I'm sorry. Sony always does this BS with their own > little proprietary format and time after time no one, no one, buys into it. > Minidisc was popular in other countries but the us, no one had it. Those > stupid Memory Sticks? I mean.. grrr! There was a very entertaining article in > Wired a few months back on how hosed Sony has gotten on all fronts because of > their stubborness in owning everything lock stock and barrell, instead of > being smart and making more useful wares. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer Well, that's good then. Personally I'm in no hurry to change formats-- this is all sounding too familiar and too dicey, until everyone settles on a format again that is The Standard, I'm not investing jack in jack. :-) - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn Aim for the sky. If you aim for the trees, you might hit the floor. --Identikal design firm quoted in Computer Arts mag... - ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Roberts To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:00:34 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer Sorry Leslie, but Blu-Ray is NOT a Sony proprietary format. It was developed by Sony, Philips, and some other companies. It is clearly superior to HD-DVD in storage capacity. And there is only one movie company that is supporting ONLY HD-DVD. This is almost the exact same scenario that occured with recordable DVDs. There were two competing formats: DVD-R and DVD+R. Toshiba, who helped develop the HD-DVD format also supported DVD-R. Well there was a technical paper put out explaining all the different ways DVD+R was superior to DVD-R. So once again Toshiba is on the wrong side of the war. They supported the inferior DVD-R format and they are now supporting the inferior HD-DVD format. Several different sources in the industry have noted that Blu-Ray is likely to win because of the added content DVD owners expect from movies they buy. Even with a dual-layer HD-DVD disc you have only about 30gb os storage. A dual-layer Blu-Ray with have 50gb. HD-DVD is trying to compete with 3-layer discs, but a four-layer Blu-Ray disc with 100gb of storage has already been demonstrated. For long movies like Lord of the Rings, that extra capacity will be welcome. _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:18:44 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer I'm just hoping both new formats meet the same fate as SACD and the other high-end CD format, that is, general consumer indifference. I think they are going to have problems convincing folks that switching to Blu-Ray or whatever offers benefits that justify the expense. Steve R. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Osborn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > Well, that's good then. > > Personally I'm in no hurry to change formats-- this > is all sounding too familiar and too dicey, until everyone settles on a > format > again that is The Standard, I'm not investing jack in jack. :-) > > -- Leslie O. > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > > Aim for the > sky. > If you aim for the trees, you might hit the floor. > --Identikal design > firm quoted in Computer Arts mag... > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill > Roberts > To: basia@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, > 2007 10:00:34 AM > Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > Sorry Leslie, but > Blu-Ray is NOT a Sony proprietary format. It was developed > by Sony, Philips, > and some other companies. It is clearly superior to HD-DVD > in storage > capacity. And there is only one movie company that is supporting > ONLY > HD-DVD. This is almost the exact same scenario that occured with > recordable > DVDs. There were two competing formats: DVD-R and DVD+R. Toshiba, > who > helped develop the HD-DVD format also supported DVD-R. Well there was a > technical paper put out explaining all the different ways DVD+R was > superior > to > DVD-R. So once again Toshiba is on the wrong side of the war. They > supported > the inferior DVD-R format and they are now supporting the inferior > HD-DVD > format. Several different sources in the industry have noted that > Blu-Ray is > likely to win because of the added content DVD owners expect from > movies they > buy. Even with a dual-layer HD-DVD disc you have only about 30gb > os storage. > A dual-layer Blu-Ray with have 50gb. HD-DVD is trying to > compete with 3-layer > discs, but a four-layer Blu-Ray disc with 100gb of > storage has already been > demonstrated. For long movies like Lord of the > Rings, that extra capacity will > be welcome. > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free > Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:14 -0600 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Basia to do torch tunes? With all those folks doing the torch tunes these days, why not Basia? When Rod Stewart, Carly Simon, Ronnie Millsap, T G Shepperd, Toni Tennille, K D Lang, and of course Diana Krall do the old stuff, the least Basia could do would be to do a duet CD with Astrud. And what tunes should be on her moldy oldy CD? DM&FS - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:13:43 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer There are already moves underway to create dual-format players and Warner has Total Hi Def, which will have HD DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. Sony might very shoot themselves in the foot again like they did with Betamax, trying to be a moral authority. History has shown that VHS beat Betamax because the pornography industry embraced it, even though Betamax was a superior format. Sony recently has stated they will not issue Blu-Ray authoring licenses to the porn industry (you need a license from Sony to produce Blu-Ray DVDs!). http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/porn_backs_hddv.html Also, Wired magazine ran an article recently that Sony has put all their marbles into the PS/3 - if it fails, the whole company could collapse. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html It's Sony's game to lose.. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:19 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > I'm just hoping both new formats meet the same fate as SACD > and the other > high-end CD format, that is, general consumer indifference. > I think they > are going to have problems convincing folks that switching to > Blu-Ray or > whatever offers benefits that justify the expense. > > Steve R. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie Osborn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > > > > Well, that's good then. > > > > Personally I'm in no hurry to change formats-- this > > is all sounding too familiar and too dicey, until everyone > settles on a > > format > > again that is The Standard, I'm not investing jack in jack. :-) > > > > -- Leslie O. > > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > > > > > Aim for the > > sky. > > If you aim for the trees, you might hit the floor. > > --Identikal design > > firm quoted in Computer Arts mag... > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Bill > > Roberts > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, > > 2007 10:00:34 AM > > Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer > > > > > > Sorry Leslie, but > > Blu-Ray is NOT a Sony proprietary format. It was developed > > by Sony, Philips, > > and some other companies. It is clearly superior to HD-DVD > > in storage > > capacity. And there is only one movie company that is supporting > > ONLY > > HD-DVD. This is almost the exact same scenario that occured with > > recordable > > DVDs. There were two competing formats: DVD-R and DVD+R. Toshiba, > > who > > helped develop the HD-DVD format also supported DVD-R. > Well there was a > > technical paper put out explaining all the different ways DVD+R was > > superior > > to > > DVD-R. So once again Toshiba is on the wrong side of the war. They > > supported > > the inferior DVD-R format and they are now supporting the inferior > > HD-DVD > > format. Several different sources in the industry have noted that > > Blu-Ray is > > likely to win because of the added content DVD owners expect from > > movies they > > buy. Even with a dual-layer HD-DVD disc you have only about 30gb > > os storage. > > A dual-layer Blu-Ray with have 50gb. HD-DVD is trying to > > compete with 3-layer > > discs, but a four-layer Blu-Ray disc with 100gb of > > storage has already been > > demonstrated. For long movies like Lord of the > > Rings, that extra capacity will > > be welcome. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > _______ > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free > > Yahoo! Toolbar. > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:21:20 -0500 From: "kdavis5" Subject: RE: Basia to do torch tunes? Fever He's A Tramp Hey There Ok - I am usually more of a lurker, but I had to respond to this one. As you can tell by my list, I'm a big fan of the standards. There's enough here for a two-CD album, Basia (just in case she's reading this!?!) I would also love to see her tackel some of the songs by Miss Lavay Smith - if you don't know who she is, check her out - a very powerful voice, and in the 40s styles: www.lavaysmith.com Black Coffee How High The Moon I Can't Get Started It Don't Mean A Thing Lush Life Makin' Whoopee Summertime These Foolish Things Travelin' Light You've Changed I've Got A Crush On You A Nightingale Sang in Berkley Square A Foggy Day People Will Say We're In Love Sentimental Journey Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams Blues In The Night A Touch of the Blue Come Rain or Come Shine I'll Be Around Memories of You What Is There To Say Learnin' The Blues Anything (or everything) written by Johnny Mercer! Ken Charlotte, NC - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Max Wellhouse Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:49 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Basia to do torch tunes? With all those folks doing the torch tunes these days, why not Basia? When Rod Stewart, Carly Simon, Ronnie Millsap, T G Shepperd, Toni Tennille, K D Lang, and of course Diana Krall do the old stuff, the least Basia could do would be to do a duet CD with Astrud. And what tunes should be on her moldy oldy CD? DM&FS - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:02:37 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer Quoting Gary Wingert : > > There are already moves underway to create dual-format players and > Warner has Total Hi Def, which will have HD DVD on one side and Blu-Ray > on the other. > > I have a DVD recorder that records to both DVD-R and DVD+R. Even with the existence of dual format DVD recorders, DVD+R is winning that battle (thank God). Dual layer DVD-R recording never took off. Dual layer DVD+R recording is alive and well. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:00:21 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer Quoting Gary Wingert : > > There are already moves underway to create dual-format players and > Warner has Total Hi Def, which will have HD DVD on one side and Blu-Ray > on the other. > > Sony might very shoot themselves in the foot again like they did with > Betamax, trying to be a moral authority. History has shown that VHS > beat Betamax because the pornography industry embraced it, even though > Betamax was a superior format. Sony recently has stated they will not > issue Blu-Ray authoring licenses to the porn industry (you need a > license from Sony to produce Blu-Ray DVDs!). > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/porn_backs_hddv.html > Yes, the sports industry and the porn industry have affected the dominance of previous formats. The Wii game console could prove a serious problem for Sony but so far Sony's PS3 is doing well, even if Sony is having a problem keeping up with demand. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:08:53 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Fw: Thoughts from a near-geezer Quoting Steve Richardson : > > I'm just hoping both new formats meet the same fate as SACD and the other > high-end CD format, that is, general consumer indifference. I think they > are going to have problems convincing folks that switching to Blu-Ray or > whatever offers benefits that justify the expense. > > Steve R. > I think as more and more High Def TVs are bought, there will be a higher and higher demand for High-Def movies. If you look at the following link, you will see the advantage Blu-Ray has in the market right now. At the recent CES show, it was revealed that Blu-Ray movies are selling better than HD-DVD movies. There are a few movie companies that are making both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies, but only one, Universal that is ONLY sticking with Blu-Ray. Check this out: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-14064/faqs/4/Index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:27:07 -0500 From: Paxety Pages Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer One interesting thing that's different from what's come in the past - a couple of manufacturers have announced they are making machines that will play back BOTH formats. So maybe we'll avoid Betamax/VHS and AM-Stereo radio. un abrazo, juan Leslie Osborn wrote: > Well, that's good then. > > Personally I'm in no hurry to change formats-- this > is all sounding too familiar and too dicey, until everyone settles on a format > again that is The Standard, I'm not investing jack in jack. :-) > > -- Leslie O. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer "Sony might very shoot themselves in the foot again like they did with Betamax, trying to be a moral authority. History has shown that VHS beat Betamax because the pornography industry embraced it, even though Betamax was a superior format. Sony recently has stated they will not issue Blu-Ray authoring licenses to the porn industry (you need a license from Sony to produce Blu-Ray DVDs!). http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/porn_backs_hddv.html Also, Wired magazine ran an article recently that Sony has put all their marbles into the PS/3 - if it fails, the whole company could collapse. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html It's Sony's game to lose.. Gary" Ooh, thank you gary. That was totally what I was thinking of when I said that thang earlier. :) I bought that issue, it also had some really good surmising about 'future of the music industry' type jive. - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn Aim for the sky. If you aim for the trees, you might hit the floor. --Identikal design firm quoted in Computer Arts mag... _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:50:39 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: OT - Lyrics Could anyone let me know if there is a definitive web site for lyrics out there, or, if not, just some good ones? Thanks Jim P. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V12 #8 **************************