From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V12 #3 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, January 18 2007 Volume 12 : Number 003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers [Paxety Pages ] Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers [Leslie Osborn ] RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers ["Gary Wingert" ] RE: Basia videos ["Gary Wingert" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:46:02 -0500 From: Paxety Pages Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers This downloading must be driving the RIAA crazy. They have for many years resisted innovation at every turn. For them, it seems, control is more important that the artist's careers or the fan's enjoyment of music. I'm in the process of scoring a short movie that I'm willing to do for free - but getting the licensing done under the new digital copyright act is driving me nuts. Moreso that writing and sequencing the music. As for covers, I think the artists sometimes just want to enjoy themselves. Just like us, they have favorite songs and it's fun to make your own versions. Gloria Estefan, for instance, back in about 1993, cut an album of the songs that were popular when she was growing up - Carol King, Blood Sweat and Tears, Vickie Sue Robinson, etc. - for the fun of it. Then she went back to recording original stuff. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:54:47 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers A huge record/CD/music chain in the DC / NYC area - Tower Records - just shut down and went out of business altogether. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paxety Pages Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:00 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I find it interesting that the article says CD sales are down. I've noticed the closing of lots of CD stores over the past few years, but recently I've noticed the big stores such as Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc., that still have CD areas have far fewer CDs in stock. Is this because people are not buying music, or is it because people are downloading to iPods and the like, or because people are listening to free music by searching around on myspace? This is probably not the best place to ask this question as we are mostly near-geezers, but we may have some observations. un abrazo, juan Leslie Osborn wrote: > Yeah, okay, we beat this topic to death but this is an editorial not to miss I think. Jonathan Widran ain't having it, and meanwhile Mindi Abair hits that proverbial naill square. I cheer them on. ;) > > http://www.smoothvibes.com/movabletype/archives/000759.html#more > > > > -- Leslie O. > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:27:45 -0000 (GMT) From: steve7701@theriver.com Subject: Thoughts from a near-geezer Has anyone else started to feel like they are ready to jump off the technology express? 23 years ago I remember reading about Compact Discs and I couldn't wait to buy a player. 10 years or so ago I was anxious to get a home computer. But now, reading about BlueRay/HD-DVD, and seeing the VHS player nearing its inevitable oblivion, I'm just depressed. I don't want to have to replace my entire video collection - AGAIN - for an improvement in quality my old eyes probably can't even detect. Same thing with downloading songs - I just can't get into it. One of the great pleasures of life used to be going to a big city with a great record store (usually Tower) and browsing. Finding treasures you could never hope to see in your WalMart or hometown music store. Amazon and I-Tunes are great, I suppose, but it just isn't as exciting to know that with a few clicks you can locate any piece of music in the world, or any video. Well, anyone under 50 on the list is rolling their eyes and thinking next I'll be getting nostalgic for a Victrola and B&W TV, so I'll quit here. Think I'll go out and buy a couple of VCR's and CD Players and put them away, before they disappear off the shelves like Beta players did 20 years ago. Steve R. - ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers From: "Steve O'Hearn" Date: Wed, January 17, 2007 1:54 pm To: basia@smoe.org - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A huge record/CD/music chain in the DC / NYC area - Tower Records - just shut down and went out of business altogether. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paxety Pages Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:00 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I find it interesting that the article says CD sales are down. I've noticed the closing of lots of CD stores over the past few years, but recently I've noticed the big stores such as Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc., that still have CD areas have far fewer CDs in stock. Is this because people are not buying music, or is it because people are downloading to iPods and the like, or because people are listening to free music by searching around on myspace? This is probably not the best place to ask this question as we are mostly near-geezers, but we may have some observations. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:43:59 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Thoughts from a near-geezer Like Rita Rudner says ... "I'm not buying a DVD player or a laser anything until I get something in writing that says this is the last thing they're going to invent." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of steve7701@theriver.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:28 AM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Thoughts from a near-geezer Has anyone else started to feel like they are ready to jump off the technology express? 23 years ago I remember reading about Compact Discs and I couldn't wait to buy a player. 10 years or so ago I was anxious to get a home computer. But now, reading about BlueRay/HD-DVD, and seeing the VHS player nearing its inevitable oblivion, I'm just depressed. I don't want to have to replace my entire video collection - AGAIN - for an improvement in quality my old eyes probably can't even detect. Same thing with downloading songs - I just can't get into it. One of the great pleasures of life used to be going to a big city with a great record store (usually Tower) and browsing. Finding treasures you could never hope to see in your WalMart or hometown music store. Amazon and I-Tunes are great, I suppose, but it just isn't as exciting to know that with a few clicks you can locate any piece of music in the world, or any video. Well, anyone under 50 on the list is rolling their eyes and thinking next I'll be getting nostalgic for a Victrola and B&W TV, so I'll quit here. Think I'll go out and buy a couple of VCR's and CD Players and put them away, before they disappear off the shelves like Beta players did 20 years ago. Steve R. - ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers From: "Steve O'Hearn" Date: Wed, January 17, 2007 1:54 pm To: basia@smoe.org - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A huge record/CD/music chain in the DC / NYC area - Tower Records - just shut down and went out of business altogether. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paxety Pages Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:00 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I find it interesting that the article says CD sales are down. I've noticed the closing of lots of CD stores over the past few years, but recently I've noticed the big stores such as Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc., that still have CD areas have far fewer CDs in stock. Is this because people are not buying music, or is it because people are downloading to iPods and the like, or because people are listening to free music by searching around on myspace? This is probably not the best place to ask this question as we are mostly near-geezers, but we may have some observations. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers Now that is interesting. Being part of BMG makes me nervous-- haven't we all been hosed on those subscription services at some point, lol!-- but on preview it looks like Netflix for CDs that you buy... that's a price I can live with, and afford to experiment with new stuff! Thanks for the link Barry- I'm going to seriously look at that once I'm done with my two moves. ;) - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:15:07 PM Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I think most people are going to downloading music. I do that more than actually buying CDs now. It's generally a few dollars cheaper, even on iTunes. I've priced a few CDs (all of the tracks from one anyway) at around $10 on iTunes versus around $15 in stores. You're paying the extra for the physical CD (I backup all of my music anyway) and the case and artwork. There are a few (very few) CDs that I want for the artwork, etc. But if I'm not a huge fan of the artist I'll just download the songs. I have found a website called www.yourmusic.com that is pretty nice. You can get CDs for $5.99 each. You pay that amount per month and put selections into a queue, so they send you one a month from that. You can also order more at that price and there are some sets that are a bit more. But the prices are a lot less than normal. The selection is a bit limited but it's not bad. I've been with it a few months and I keep finding stuff I want. That's the only way I buy CD's most of the time anymore. The times are changing. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers ' For them, it seems, control is more important that the artist's careers or the fan's enjoyment of music." There's that nail being hit on the head again! - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers They were based here in the Bay Area and I miss them terribly. In recent years they've been in decline, sure, but where else could I get cheap new releases, action figures and edgy dolls, and obscure magazines in one haul! On another tip they were pretty good with promoting Matt's Mood. The other day I passed the exit of the one that used to be by the Richmond Bridge onramp and was thinking that I wished I had asked for that endcap graphic thing with MB on it that they put on the jazz area. ;) One of my good friends worked at their in house magazine Pulse before they went under-- that's really when the writing appeared on the wall on the future of the chain she said. :( Incidentally Last Gasp published a book of the music history comics that they always had in there. Recommended! - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve O'Hearn To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:54:47 AM Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers A huge record/CD/music chain in the DC / NYC area - Tower Records - just shut down and went out of business altogether. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paxety Pages Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:00 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I find it interesting that the article says CD sales are down. I've noticed the closing of lots of CD stores over the past few years, but recently I've noticed the big stores such as Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc., that still have CD areas have far fewer CDs in stock. Is this because people are not buying music, or is it because people are downloading to iPods and the like, or because people are listening to free music by searching around on myspace? This is probably not the best place to ask this question as we are mostly near-geezers, but we may have some observations. un abrazo, juan Leslie Osborn wrote: > Yeah, okay, we beat this topic to death but this is an editorial not to miss I think. Jonathan Widran ain't having it, and meanwhile Mindi Abair hits that proverbial naill square. I cheer them on. ;) > > http://www.smoothvibes.com/movabletype/archives/000759.html#more > > > > -- Leslie O. > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Thoughts from a near-geezer Blue Ray is Bullshiz. I'm sorry. Sony always does this BS with their own little proprietary format and time after time no one, no one, buys into it. Minidisc was popular in other countries but the us, no one had it. Those stupid Memory Sticks? I mean.. grrr! There was a very entertaining article in Wired a few months back on how hosed Sony has gotten on all fronts because of their stubborness in owning everything lock stock and barrell, instead of being smart and making more useful wares. Yeah, I love watching videos on my PSP. Not! (and I have tried!) Downloading grew on me- the itch to hear a particular set of songs and being able to just get them got me hooked. I was a fairly early adopter of iTunes and iPods and it's been so simple and easy i have no problems ever, apart from one bad Bowie MP3 once a few years ago. Of course i have to remember to back up my purchases! But I'm firmly into going to a store and looking through stuff. To me it's a good day to go digging through vinyl, though it's harder and harder to do. I don't think it's just "geezers" that appreciate that aspect, but it's going to be a more serious niche from now on I think. Most of the time when I go to a record store it's people close to my own age. - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" - ----- Original Message ---- From: "steve7701@theriver.com" To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:27:45 AM Subject: Thoughts from a near-geezer Has anyone else started to feel like they are ready to jump off the technology express? 23 years ago I remember reading about Compact Discs and I couldn't wait to buy a player. 10 years or so ago I was anxious to get a home computer. But now, reading about BlueRay/HD-DVD, and seeing the VHS player nearing its inevitable oblivion, I'm just depressed. I don't want to have to replace my entire video collection - AGAIN - for an improvement in quality my old eyes probably can't even detect. Same thing with downloading songs - I just can't get into it. One of the great pleasures of life used to be going to a big city with a great record store (usually Tower) and browsing. Finding treasures you could never hope to see in your WalMart or hometown music store. Amazon and I-Tunes are great, I suppose, but it just isn't as exciting to know that with a few clicks you can locate any piece of music in the world, or any video. Well, anyone under 50 on the list is rolling their eyes and thinking next I'll be getting nostalgic for a Victrola and B&W TV, so I'll quit here. Think I'll go out and buy a couple of VCR's and CD Players and put them away, before they disappear off the shelves like Beta players did 20 years ago. Steve R. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:44:12 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers Yeah, bawed in Sacramento. I think they are going to try to continue to keep their online presence going, though. Leslie, the one at the end of the Richmond Bridge, do you mean the one on Lucky Drive in Larkspur (the San Rafael end of the SR-R bridge)? I was there during the liquidation and managed to get some stuff but I *NEVER* saw an BM graphic!!! OH NO! Gary PS. What two moves?! Leslie wrote: > They were based here in the Bay Area and I miss them > terribly. In recent years they've been in decline, sure, but > where else could I get cheap new releases, action figures and > edgy dolls, and obscure magazines in one haul! On another tip > they were pretty good with promoting Matt's Mood. The other > day I passed the exit of the one that used to be by the > Richmond Bridge onramp and was thinking that I wished I had > asked for that endcap graphic thing with MB on it that they > put on the jazz area. ;) > > One of my good friends worked at their in house magazine > Pulse before they went under-- that's really when the writing > appeared on the wall on the future of the chain she said. :( > Incidentally Last Gasp published a book of the music history > comics that they always had in there. Recommended! > > -- Leslie O. > http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve O'Hearn > To: basia@smoe.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:54:47 AM > Subject: RE: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers > > A huge record/CD/music chain in the DC / NYC area - Tower > Records - just > shut down and went out of business altogether. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers I really don't have a problem with covers. Really! Obviously, Basia has done two so... lol. it's the whole way that it seemed like everyone in SJ was checking their creativity and mind at the door and doing what guys in suits are telling them is the way to go and sighing and saying, oh, okay, I'll do it. I'm just wondering how much good stuff we have been missing from these talented people while this has been going on, you know? Here's hoping for a change (and this is why I care), because unfortunately SJ is the new album's best chance for airplay. Not that airplay is all that important anymore with online stuff pulling the lion's weight for many artists, but still, the old paradigm of the music business says it is. :-/ Which is BS because they play so few people doing covers.. you get the dilemma! I understand and appreciate making a living but it's gotten terrible in the long term. What Mindi Abair said, much more eloquently than I. - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" - ----- Original Message ---- From: "JPovlock@aol.com" To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:57:59 PM Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers "and the dismay of others who think their favorite artists should be creating standards of their own," This comment was what I had in mind when I started what became the "Peter White Catfight". Aren't these musicians creative enough to come up with their own original music? Believe me, we could spend a lot of time picking on old favorites such as Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart for making totally cover CD's. I would even pick on Buffalo's own Goo Goo Dolls for covering Supertramp's "Give A Little Bit". My not so humble opinion is that when you have to start remaking other people's songs, it's just a move to save a sinking career - or maybe come up with another big payday. Jim P. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Quasi OT: brilliant editorial on SJ covers "Leslie, the one at the end of the Richmond Bridge, do you mean the one on Lucky Drive in Larkspur (the San Rafael end of the SR-R bridge)? I was there during the liquidation and managed to get some stuff but I *NEVER* saw an BM graphic!!! OH NO!" Yeah, that's the one. It was a long time ago though, so it's probably met it's end long ago. ;) I used to go there on the way home from work and damage my wallet some! "PS. What two moves?!" I'm moving to my mom's outside Detroit in March, crashing there for a couple months, then we're moving finally to the Chicago area. Glutton for punishment anyone? BTW, there is a Crrrrracking thread on the Widran editorial over at MagicIsland. http://tinyurl.com/2d74pt - -- Leslie O. http://www.basiaweb.com / http://www.myspace.com/leslieosborn "Now I found having come the long way round I am closer, closer than before" - -Basia, "Promises" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:36:45 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Basia videos Where does a poor schmuck like me go to find Basia videos? I know there are a few floating around on YouTube but I'd like copies that I can call my own. Are they available at all? Barry "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:05:33 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: Basia videos Hi Barry, The YouTube videos are in FLV Flash Video format. You may find them in your browser's cache folder, or you can use something like URLHelper and HiDownload, both from StreamingStar.com, to capture the stream to your harddrive. Then you need an FLV player. The one I use is FLVPlayer from Martijn Devisser (http://www.martijndevisser.com/blog/article/flv-player-updated) You can also load K-lite's MegaCodec pack and Classic Windows Player will play them but it's a little tricky to set up. There may be other list members who have other or better ideas. Regards, Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Barry > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:37 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Basia videos > > > Where does a poor schmuck like me go to find Basia videos? I > know there are > a few floating around on YouTube but I'd like copies that I > can call my own. > Are they available at all? > > Barry > > > "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there > is no path and > leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V12 #3 **************************