From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V11 #123 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Tuesday, December 19 2006 Volume 11 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fw: OT - Peter White ["Lonnie Gunter" ] OT - Peter White ["Kamille" ] Re: OT - Peter White [PerfectCaravan@aol.com] Re: OT - Peter White [John Flood ] Re: OT - Peter White [John Flood ] Re: OT - Peter White [samurai27@aol.com] Re: OT - Peter White [Leslie Osborn ] Re: OT - Peter White [PerfectCaravan@aol.com] Re: OT - Peter White [Leslie Osborn ] Re: OT - Peter White [Leslie Osborn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:22:29 -0500 From: "Lonnie Gunter" Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White Someday I want to get a picture of Peter's hands... I have one of Danny's hands in my little display of the '05' tour. It is amazing what those 4 brother hands can do. I know I am a little strange but I actually encourage that in myself. I just listened to some clips on the Best Buy site and I will buy the CD today. Lonnie and I just love music done well. I got the Taylor Hicks CD and actually would have enjoyed him doing a couple of oldies. Thelma - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White > > I actually have no problem with Peter White doing an album of covers. > His first one was excellent. I enjoy his takes on other artists work. I'll > buy this CD AND that next one we're all waiting for. > > ~Joe~ > > In a message dated 12/17/2006 11:12:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > steve7701@theriver.com writes: > > Let's think positive, he is putting all his energy and talent towards the > new Basia album, so he just put his own career in a holding pattern by > releasing an album of covers! > > Steve R. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:18 PM > Subject: OT - Peter White > > > > > > I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called > > "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old songs. > > > > My first thought was, is this the best he could do? > > > > My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, > > playing someone else's songs? > > > > Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until > > Christmas? > > > > Jim P. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: 12/17/2006 3:17 PM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:19:21 -0600 From: "Kamille" Subject: OT - Peter White Has anyone heard the Al Jarreau/George Benson disc yet? They cover "Summer Breeze," "God Bless the Child", "Ordinary People," "Every Time You Go Away," etc. It's always interesting to hear someone talented interpret a song. Kamille - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonnie Gunter" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White > > Someday I want to get a picture of Peter's hands... I have one of Danny's > hands in my little display of the '05' tour. It is amazing what those 4 > brother hands can do. I know I am a little strange but I actually > encourage > that in myself. I just listened to some clips on the Best Buy site and I > will buy the CD today. Lonnie and I just love music done well. I got the > Taylor Hicks CD and actually would have enjoyed him doing a couple of > oldies. Thelma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White > > >> >> I actually have no problem with Peter White doing an album of covers. >> His first one was excellent. I enjoy his takes on other artists work. > I'll >> buy this CD AND that next one we're all waiting for. >> >> ~Joe~ >> >> In a message dated 12/17/2006 11:12:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> steve7701@theriver.com writes: >> >> Let's think positive, he is putting all his energy and talent towards >> the >> new Basia album, so he just put his own career in a holding pattern by >> releasing an album of covers! >> >> Steve R. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:18 PM >> Subject: OT - Peter White >> >> >> > >> > I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called >> > "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old > songs. >> > >> > My first thought was, is this the best he could do? >> > >> > My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, >> > playing someone else's songs? >> > >> > Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until >> > Christmas? >> > >> > Jim P. >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: > 12/17/2006 3:17 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: > 12/15/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:55:52 EST From: PerfectCaravan@aol.com Subject: Re: OT - Peter White In a message dated 12/17/2006 9:34:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, JPovlock@aol.com writes: I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old songs. My first thought was, is this the best he could do? My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, playing someone else's songs? Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until Christmas? Jim P. I rarely join in on the discussions of the Basia boards, but enjoy reading them; this however had to be an exception. Peter's latest album is not only a grouping of some of the BEST oldies from the 70's and 80's, but he managed to maintain their original integrity, integrate the talents of some of the best in Smooth Jazz and most of all, kept his trueness to self in style and soul. Anyone who doesn't hear that should start over from his very first album and follow the development of Peter White as a complete artist, heck..go back to Al. If you love music, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor. These covers just happen to be some of many that he maintains in his archives of the songs he always wanted to play for people and his favorites.......we're lucky enough that he put them on a recording device that we all have access to. The genius of Paul Brown was like the glaze on a delicious Christmas cake (sorry I've been baking) and if you've not taken the time to actually sit down and listen, judgement should not be passed. Thanks to those that responded in favor of Playin' Favorites and realize that this gentleman, no matter what he plays is one of the leading talents of our time. May I suggest also that you gift your favorite people with this beautiful piece of music. Maybe you should check out his Christmas CD also..oops! Covers! Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:20:47 -0500 From: John Flood Subject: Re: OT - Peter White Do you have the regular or SUPERDISC version? I was debating which to pick up. John At 07:19 AM 12/18/2006, you wrote: >Has anyone heard the Al Jarreau/George Benson disc yet? They cover >"Summer Breeze," "God Bless the Child", "Ordinary People," "Every >Time You Go Away," etc. It's always interesting to hear someone >talented interpret a song. > >Kamille > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonnie Gunter" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:22 AM >Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White > > >> >>Someday I want to get a picture of Peter's hands... I have one of Danny's >>hands in my little display of the '05' tour. It is amazing what those 4 >>brother hands can do. I know I am a little strange but I actually encourage >>that in myself. I just listened to some clips on the Best Buy site and I >>will buy the CD today. Lonnie and I just love music done well. I got the >>Taylor Hicks CD and actually would have enjoyed him doing a couple of >>oldies. Thelma >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:33 PM >>Subject: Re: Fw: OT - Peter White >> >> >>> >>>I actually have no problem with Peter White doing an album of covers. >>>His first one was excellent. I enjoy his takes on other artists work. >>I'll >>>buy this CD AND that next one we're all waiting for. >>> >>>~Joe~ >>> >>>In a message dated 12/17/2006 11:12:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>steve7701@theriver.com writes: >>> >>>Let's think positive, he is putting all his energy and talent towards the >>>new Basia album, so he just put his own career in a holding pattern by >>>releasing an album of covers! >>> >>>Steve R. >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:18 PM >>>Subject: OT - Peter White >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called >>> > "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old >>songs. >>> > >>> > My first thought was, is this the best he could do? >>> > >>> > My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, >>> > playing someone else's songs? >>> > >>> > Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until >>> > Christmas? >>> > >>> > Jim P. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: >>12/17/2006 3:17 PM >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:19:45 -0500 From: John Flood Subject: Re: OT - Peter White It's on my last minute christmas list now! I like how Peter gave himself a 5 star rating on Amazon and listed the tracks since they were missing! John >I rarely join in on the discussions of the Basia boards, but enjoy reading >them; this however had to be an exception. Peter's latest album is >not only a >grouping of some of the BEST oldies from the 70's and 80's, but he managed >to maintain their original integrity, integrate the talents of some of the >best in Smooth Jazz and most of all, kept his trueness to self in style and >soul. Anyone who doesn't hear that should start over from >his very first album >and follow the development of Peter White as a complete >artist, heck..go back >to Al. If you love music, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor. > >These covers just happen to be some of many that he maintains in his >archives of the songs he always wanted to play for people and his >favorites.......we're lucky enough that he put them on a recording >device that we all have >access to. The genius of Paul Brown was like the glaze on a >delicious Christmas >cake (sorry I've been baking) and if you've not taken the time to actually >sit down and listen, judgement should not be passed. Thanks to those that >responded in favor of Playin' Favorites and realize that this gentleman, no >matter what he plays is one of the leading talents of our >time. May I suggest >also that you gift your favorite people with this beautiful piece of music. >Maybe you should check out his Christmas CD also..oops! Covers! > >Joan At 10:55 AM 12/18/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/17/2006 9:34:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, >JPovlock@aol.com writes: > >I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called >"Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old songs. > >My first thought was, is this the best he could do? > >My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, >playing someone else's songs? > >Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until Christmas? > >Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:34:10 -0500 From: samurai27@aol.com Subject: Re: OT - Peter White - -----Original Message----- From: PerfectCaravan@aol.com To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: OT - Peter White In a message dated 12/17/2006 9:34:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, JPovlock@aol.com writes: I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old songs. My first thought was, is this the best he could do? My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, playing someone else's songs? Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until Christmas? Jim P. I rarely join in on the discussions of the Basia boards, but enjoy reading them; this however had to be an exception. Peter's latest album is not only a grouping of some of the BEST oldies from the 70's and 80's, but he managed to maintain their original integrity, integrate the talents of some of the best in Smooth Jazz and most of all, kept his trueness to self in style and soul. Anyone who doesn't hear that should start over from his very first album and follow the development of Peter White as a complete artist, heck..go back to Al. If you love music, you'd be doing yourself a huge favor. These covers just happen to be some of many that he maintains in his archives of the songs he always wanted to play for people and his favorites.......we're lucky enough that he put them on a recording device that we all have access to. The genius of Paul Brown was like the glaze on a delicious Christmas cake (sorry I've been baking) and if you've not taken the time to actually sit down and listen, judgement should not be passed. Thanks to those that responded in favor of Playin' Favorites and realize that this gentleman, no matter what he plays is one of the leading talents of our time. May I suggest also that you gift your favorite people with this beautiful piece of music. Maybe you should check out his Christmas CD also..oops! Covers! Joan ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:48:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: OT - Peter White My two cents that no one is going to like: Oddly his cover of What Does It Take elicted the strongest reaction I've had to a song in a while, when it came out: I was just really angry. It was so unfelt, bland... there. It was just there. Why Peter continues to do stuff like this that is so below his ability and potential is an ongoing mystery to me. Either Jazz Trax or sky.fm had a podcast with him where he mentioned that the label poo-poohed the album he was making and called in Paul Brown who took over the way Paul Brown tends to do in his productions... maybe that's the culprit? In my perfect world I would love to see Peter maybe take some time off from constant touring, re-find his muse, and come back with an album that shows his true talent and creativity -- it's been repressed far too long, IMHO. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."-- Stephen Colbert - ----- Original Message ---- From: "JPovlock@aol.com" To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:18:37 PM Subject: OT - Peter White I was at Borders today and saw that Peter White has a CD out, called "Playin' Favorites." He does exactly that, playing a bunch of old songs. My first thought was, is this the best he could do? My second thought was, is this what you do to revive a sagging career, playing someone else's songs? Or am I just being a Scrooge was seven shopping days left until Christmas? Jim P. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:15:58 EST From: PerfectCaravan@aol.com Subject: Re: OT - Peter White In a message dated 12/18/2006 1:00:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, marzenie_99@yahoo.com writes: My two cents that no one is going to like: Oddly his cover of What Does It Take elicted the strongest reaction I've had to a song in a while, when it came out: I was just really angry. It was so unfelt, bland... there. It was just there. Why Peter continues to do stuff like this that is so below his ability and potential is an ongoing mystery to me. Either Jazz Trax or sky.fm had a podcast with him where he mentioned that the label poo-poohed the album he was making and called in Paul Brown who took over the way Paul Brown tends to do in his productions... maybe that's the culprit? In my perfect world I would love to see Peter maybe take some time off from constant touring, re-find his muse, and come back with an album that shows his true talent and creativity -- it's been repressed far too long, IMHO. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com Hmmmm..to take a page out of a dear friend's book.........wonder how you felt about Sinatra singing Harrison's "Something". Or maybe his take on Paul Anka's "My Way". I can't think of one piece of music that Peter has put his hands to that has ever been unfelt.....that's just simple nonsense, pardon me. Also wonder why the song that "made you angry" sat on top of all the charts for weeks. Broke some records as a matter of fact. I'm not sure what the expectations of Peter White are, but if you know the artist's music at all, his latest album leaves no room for disappointment. It's every bit Peter, as creative as he has ever been. The point in doing a cover is not to render a new version, nor to mimic the original artist. If you take that approach, perhaps you'll listen with a new spin in mind. Perhaps what you think are Peter's capabilities are sitting right there on this album and a pre-conceived notion of covers has plugged your mind and ears. People that take the time to listen to what Peter White creates magically every time he straps a guitar around his neck hear it.......and are grateful. It might also help to know that most labels "poo-poo" albums a few times before it becomes what you hear. Paul Brown is a genius and has joined Peter in music, heart and soul on many occasions, this is no exception. I guess you didn't hear their version of "My Funny Valentine" either, because simply put..........it was a cover. It's comforting to see Peter has the opportunity to live his perfect world and continue to deliver artistically. J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: OT - Peter White I need to clarify, this statement should actually read with what is within asterisks: "The smooth jazz singles chart you're referring to is based on airplay which is determined by the two or three major radio corporations and their handful of programmers**who own and operate the majority of the stations**-- not deejays taste, not listener request, not sales, not musician voting, not regional differences or trends. Apologies for not being clearer previously! - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."-- Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: OT - Peter White "Hmmmm..to take a page out of a dear friend's book.........wonder how you felt about Sinatra singing Harrison's "Something". Or maybe his take on Paul Anka's "My Way". " I don't have a problem with covers per se. Julie Dexter and Khari Simmons put out a great covers album this year called Moon Bossa. They did songs by Jobim, Mendes, Swing Out Sister and Basia among others with respect and their own touch. Maysa did a covers album with a twist- it was of very senusal songs from all male vocalists rethought as an "album for female macks" and it was niiice. I just don't care for covers that add nothing to the song-- that was my opinion, that's all. (I did like Hit The Road Jack a great deal!) "Also wonder why the song that "made you angry" sat on top of all the charts for weeks. Broke some records as a matter of fact." The smooth jazz singles chart you're referring to is based on airplay which is determined by the two or three major radio corporations and their handful of programmers-- not deejays taste, not listener request, not sales, not musician voting, not regional differences or trends. I'm glad he got such high accolades but it's important to understand where that data comes from, and it's guys testing songs for thirty seconds with focus groups who only have time to respond to familiarity. That's okay if you feel that all those factors are legitimate measuring devices for song ranking, I personally do not. I think this has hurt the music. Just MHO! Now, his *sales* rankings by album are high and I can respect that more. That actually measures who bought the album and anyone can see how well he's done by going to Billboard.com and searching. Good for him, but I still have my opinion, and that's okay! Not everyone has to feel the same (and, sorry, popular is not always indicative of quality, anyway). The frustration I have is that I wholeheartedly believe that he is holding back and is capable of much better work. Note I never insulted him or his playing- he seems like a good dude and he sure as heck can play and he's Danny's brother!. I'd see him live, heck yeah, 'cause he can probably let loose for a change. It's just the untapped potential on record that drives me nuts. Nothing frustrates me more than seeing someone so flush with talent just settle. I hear that guy on Year of the Cat or Promises or most of LWNY or Moonlight Montreal or Drive By Night and I miss that unnamable something he had in those recordings that I don't feel now. "I'm not sure what the expectations of Peter White are, but if you know the artist's music at all, his latest album leaves no room for disappointment. It's every bit Peter, as creative as he has ever been. The point in doing a cover is not to render a new version, nor to mimic the original artist. If you take that approach, perhaps you'll listen with a new spin in mind." "Perhaps what you think are Peter's capabilities are sitting right there on this album and a pre-conceived notion of covers has plugged your mind and ears. People that take the time to listen to what Peter White creates magically every time he straps a guitar around his neck hear it.......and are grateful." LOL- this is virtually identical to the last time you jumped on me for criticising Peter White! I do expect relentless superlatives and boosting from the head of the official Peter White fanclub but such insulting innuendo..is that really necessary to put your point across? It's the sort of thing that makes people not take fans seriously when they evangelize about their favorite artists. I was a fan of Peter's from the beginning of his solo career by the way. I guess that renders your point on that null and void. "It's comforting to see Peter has the opportunity to live his perfect world and continue to deliver artistically." I'm glad someone out there has a perfect world! Good for him! I'd also like one day for you not be on this list solely to hit people with this stuff whenever we have discussions of PW. Give an arguement with some meat to it, not just flowery superlatives and veiled insults. Argue the music. Not the person. - --Leslie O. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V11 #123 ****************************