From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V11 #13 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Tuesday, January 31 2006 Volume 11 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: smooooooth operator... [ZZsaZZsa@aol.com] Catherine Zeta Jones ["Barry" ] Re: smooooooth operator... [j w ] Re: Catherine Zeta Jones [Bill Roberts ] Re: smooooooth operator... [Max Wellhouse ] Re: Catherine Zeta Jones ["Barry" ] Someone's life v. someone's work ["Leslie O." ] Re: Catherine Zeta Jones ["Leslie O." ] Re: Someone's life v. someone's work ["Barry" ] Re: Someone's life v. someone's work ["Leslie O." ] Re: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:36:15 EST From: ZZsaZZsa@aol.com Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... In a message dated 1/26/2006 1:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, b.parsons@charter.net writes: In terms of exposure and (I guess) popularity, I agree that she's a major star. In terms of quality, no. I thought she did a good job in Entrapment, but that may be because I also like everyone else in that movie. I'm not a fan of her other movies, especially the ones involving Antonio Banderas. They were ok at best, certainly not worth a second viewing for me. I just thought I'd clarify my thoughts on that. :) Barry Did you see "Chicago" or "America's Sweethearts?" I thought she was excellent in both! Just my two cents. - -Sheryl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:29:01 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Catherine Zeta Jones > Did you see "Chicago" or "America's Sweethearts?" I thought she was > excellent in both! Yes, she did do a good job in Chicago. In fact she did a better job in Chicago than she did in Entrapment. I didn't see America's Sweethearts. I never have been a fan of hers. Then marrying Michael Douglas really turned me off to her. I am not one to generally consider age to be a factor in relationships. But he's 25 years older than her (to the day, they share the same birthday). He's old enough to be her father, and I think that is a line that shouldn't be crossed. That's just my opinion, they're consenting adults and free to do whatever they want. But it didn't win either of them brownie points in my eyes. I know that doesn't affect their acting abilities, but I do tend to factor in things like that. Someone can be a good actor/actress, but if they do things I don't really like, it makes me want to see them less. Of course not being a real fan of her in the first place, it didn't matter much. My whole point was she's very popular, but I don't think she has great acting skills. Yes she's done a good job in a couple of movies, but she's also had some real stinkers. In my opinion, she's had more stinkers than winners. But that's just my opinion. I'm no expert. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: j w Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... I've always thought that she was a truly awful actress most of the time, but that with Chicago, it was one of those times when an actress of limited ability stumbled into a part that was practically created by the Gods for her. She was perfect in it. As for America's Sweethearts, I thought that was one of the worst performances by a major name actor in a major movie that I've ever seen. Unbearable. - --- ZZsaZZsa@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/26/2006 1:43:22 PM Central > Standard Time, > b.parsons@charter.net writes: > > In terms of exposure and (I guess) popularity, I > agree that she's a major > star. In terms of quality, no. I thought she did a > good job in Entrapment, > but that may be because I also like everyone else in > that movie. I'm not a > fan of her other movies, especially the ones > involving Antonio Banderas. > They were ok at best, certainly not worth a second > viewing for me. > > I just thought I'd clarify my thoughts on that. :) > > Barry > > > > Did you see "Chicago" or "America's Sweethearts?" I > thought she was > excellent in both! > > Just my two cents. > -Sheryl Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:25:02 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones Quoting Barry : > But he's 25 years older than her (to the day, they share the same birthday). He's old enough to be her father, and I think that is a > line that shouldn't be crossed. That's just my opinion, they're consenting > adults and free to do whatever they want. But it didn't win either of them > brownie points in my eyes. > > Why is that a line that shouldn't be crossed? On what basis do you make such a judgement? It can't be the Bible, so I wonder where you got it from? You must have really got frosted at Tony Randall for marrying a woman 50 years his junior. My mom was 20 years younger than my dad. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:16:54 -0600 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... However, NO question that she is HOT!! DM&FS At 02:20 PM 1/30/2006, j w wrote: >I've always thought that she was a truly awful actress >most of the time, but that with Chicago, it was one of >those times when an actress of limited ability >stumbled into a part that was practically created by >the Gods for her. She was perfect in it. > >As for America's Sweethearts, I thought that was one >of the worst performances by a major name actor in a >major movie that I've ever seen. Unbearable. > >--- ZZsaZZsa@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/26/2006 1:43:22 PM Central > > Standard Time, > > b.parsons@charter.net writes: > > > > In terms of exposure and (I guess) popularity, I > > agree that she's a major > > star. In terms of quality, no. I thought she did a > > good job in Entrapment, > > but that may be because I also like everyone else in > > that movie. I'm not a > > fan of her other movies, especially the ones > > involving Antonio Banderas. > > They were ok at best, certainly not worth a second > > viewing for me. > > > > I just thought I'd clarify my thoughts on that. :) > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > Did you see "Chicago" or "America's Sweethearts?" I > > thought she was > > excellent in both! > > > > Just my two cents. > > -Sheryl >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:58:10 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones > Why is that a line that shouldn't be crossed? On what basis do you make > such a > judgement? It can't be the Bible, so I wonder where you got it from? You > must > have really got frosted at Tony Randall for marrying a woman 50 years his > junior. My mom was 20 years younger than my dad. It's not a matter of edict or spiritual belief. It's a personal choice. I don't condemn people who choose to do it. Like I said, they're consenting adults and it's their decision. But I don't think it's a good idea. Especially in Hollywood where marriages tend to be short-lived anyway. With a generation between them, they can't relate on the same levels. The younger person doesn't have the same life experiences yet. Some people get more experience at an earlier age, but there are still some things that just come with age. I know people who married with a big gap in age. Even though some are still together, there are obvious issues between them. There are exceptions I'm sure, but overall I just don't think it's a good idea. I would never try to force my beliefs on others, but I am free to voice them. If people want to get married with many years between them, so be it. If they want to get married and live on opposite coasts, go for it. If they want to have an "open" marriage, it's up to them. It's just not for me. That's all I was saying. Barry PS: I did think Tony Randall's marriage was a bad idea, but it didn't involve me. If I had a friend who wanted to marry someone substantially older or younger, I would discuss it with them. But I would be happy for them if they were sure it was what they wanted. I'm sorry if my beliefs offended anyone. That was not my intention. "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Someone's life v. someone's work > I know that doesn't affect their acting abilities, > but I do tend to factor > in things like that. Someone can be a good > actor/actress, but if they do > things I don't really like, it makes me want to see > them less. Oooo, this is a really interesting topic. My husband and I have this debate sometimes: do you have to like the person to like their work, or can one separate their work from their life? A subset of this was: do you like anything someone does just because you like the person, even if it may be subpar? It's an interesting thing to get into, that's for sure. For me, I sort of go both ways. When I know about the backstory of songs or albums it helps me greater appreciate the work itself and endears it further to me and even makes me think about my own life and the situation (did I post yet about seeing Prayer of a Happy Housewife differently now?). If I like someone, yeah, it makes me more solid in my appreciation of their work too. But, example, even though I really get skeeved out by Michael Jackson, I do like Off The Wall *a lot*, and I tell people that after Thriller he was dead to me anyway.LOL I don't always think, ewwww, when I hear his music. Same with various rappers. I know it's probably horrible misogynistic crap, but it sounds good at the moment. I don't have to always think so much into it. (Did I post that "Welcome to Detroit" by Trick Trick is my single of the year '05? LOL) I don't get fired up by actors and actresses so much, but the best example I can do is that I really think Gwyneth Paltrow is a little miss perfect snot in every interview I've read her do, but darn if I didn't like movies she did, a lot. And do I accept less than perfect work from people because I like them as people/personalities? I have been accused of this before, but at the same time it's tough to quantify it it's being a loyal fan. Here, anyway, I think I've been critical enough part of the time to justify being rosy the rest of the time. ^_^ It's a good debate to have with the spouse. I recommend it! - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "Richard Hamilton is just ridiculous!" - Fred McLeod, FSN's Pistons announcer Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones > I know people who married with a big gap in age. > Even though some are still > together, there are obvious issues between them. > There are exceptions I'm > sure, but overall I just don't think it's a good > idea. I see what you're saying, and I'm not really arguing cause it's a pure opinion post, and right on for ya. But I have seen that every marriage really has one issue or another. If age is it, maybe that's better than having the issue be something bigger and more destructive. Sort of off the topic, but Barry mentions Hollywood marriages: I'm so sick of the marriage-as-publicity stunt. I'm no Puritan, I'm very live-and-let- live and quite liberally minded, but I take marriage really seriously, and my vows mean a lot. To see people just get fake-married for a month or go on a big PR tour for it really grinds me! Cath and Mike have been married a lot longer than most, so I'm not really referring to them. Just a general thing. I like that Catherine's Welsh, too bad she's lost the accent! Chicago was a lot of fun, I really like that movie. Particularly Queen Latifah! - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "Richard Hamilton is just ridiculous!" - Fred McLeod, FSN's Pistons announcer Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:20:52 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Someone's life v. someone's work On occasion I will like an actor's work simply because I like them. But it's rare. I can think of only 2 actors, and they're big stars. Tom Hanks and Robin Williams. There are also actors that I dislike because of their actions when they're not acting. But some of them I can still accept onscreen, even though I would never want to know them in person. It depends on how good they are onscreen, and how strongly I feel about what they do in real life. I could elaborate but we're already starting to drift off-topic. So I'll stop there. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Someone's life v. someone's work > I could elaborate but we're > already starting to drift > off-topic. So I'll stop there. I do believe the topic train long since left the station. ;-) But that's what I love about smoe. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "Richard Hamilton is just ridiculous!" - Fred McLeod, FSN's Pistons announcer Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:58:14 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones > Maybe it's jealousy? :) Darn, I had to go marry an older woman myself. Six whole months older! lol 29 & a half years later.... I thought CZJ was superb in Chicago also. I thoght she LOOKED superb in Zorro! John > From: Bill Roberts > Date: 2006/01/30 Mon PM 04:25:02 EST > To: "" > Subject: Re: Catherine Zeta Jones > > > Quoting Barry : > > > > But he's 25 years older than her (to the day, they share the same > birthday). He's old enough to be her father, and I think that is a > > line that shouldn't be crossed. That's just my opinion, they're consenting > > adults and free to do whatever they want. But it didn't win either of them > > brownie points in my eyes. > > > > > > Why is that a line that shouldn't be crossed? On what basis do you make such a > judgement? It can't be the Bible, so I wonder where you got it from? You must > have really got frosted at Tony Randall for marrying a woman 50 years his > junior. My mom was 20 years younger than my dad. > > Bill ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V11 #13 ***************************