From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V11 #10 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, January 26 2006 Volume 11 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) [J3SITE@aol.com] Re: smooooooth operator... ["49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk>] Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) [Bill Roberts ] Re: Smooth Operatin' remakes ["Leslie O." ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Leslie O." ] Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) ["Leslie O." ] Re: Fw: smooooooth operator... ["Barry" ] Re: smooooooth operator... [Max Wellhouse ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Barry" ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Stephen Ylvisaker" ] RE: smooooooth operator... ["Gary Wingert" ] RE: smooooooth operator... ["Gary Wingert" ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Stephen Ylvisaker" ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Barry" ] Re: smooooooth operator... ["Leslie O." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:42:42 EST From: J3SITE@aol.com Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) In a message dated 1/25/06 12:45:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, greyfell@gns2000.com writes: > I have felt all along that Basia is more connected with JAZZ than Smooth > Jazz, because she has that skill to establish her individuality. When I hear > "Till You come Back To Me," I only hear Basia; I don't hear Stevie Wonder. > The same analogy applies to the snippet of "Smooth Operator" that I heard. I > know it's Sade's song, but all I could hear was Basia, because it wasn't > Sade's song, any longer. I, also, am eager to savor the full version, if > it's ever released. > I love Basia and I love her cover of Until You Come Back To Me, but.....listen to Aretha Franklin's version and then compare Basia's and you will see that she copied Aretha's take on the song. I don't have a big problem with that. It's how one artist pays tribute to another. I believe that was Bassia's aim. ~Joe~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:16:53 +0000 From: "49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... If Kate Bush can make Pi sound heavenly (which she does) then go for it Basia. Can I suggest the literary classic "The Life Of A Potato-From Seed To Saucepan" as a killer B-side ;>) >-- Original Message -- >From: "Lonnie Gunter" >To: >Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:07:47 -0500 >Reply-To: basia@smoe.org > > > >I think a plumbing manual would never have sounded so good... She could >do >computer coding and make it sound wonderful... HHHH TTTTTT MM LLLLLL >(note the rhythm with only two M's) Thanks Leslie. >Thelma (Does anyone ever wish/imagine they could sing with her??? >besides me???) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Leslie O." >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:44 PM >Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > > >> >> > vocal range. I sincerely >> > hope this gets released and I predict a major hit! >> >> This rmakes me think of of other interesting covers >> commissioned by the Japanese: >> >> -- Hall and Oates' "Private Eyes" sung by Bebel >> Gilberto on Towa Tei's album "Sound Museum" >> -- Eurythmics' "There Must Be An Angel (Playing With >> My Heart)" on the Fantastic Plastic Machine album >> "Luxury" >> -- Kahimi Karie covering "Get Out of Your Lazy Bed" >> >> and of course... "So Nice" sung by Basia on Taro >> Hakase's "Duets" album! >> >> think if we heard a recording of Basia singing a >> plumbing manual there'd be a mass- superlative- >> raindown too. Let's be honest. ;-P >> >> -- Leslie O. >> www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com >> >> >> "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." >> --Stephen Colbert >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 49ersphil Save the tiger. Now! http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/endangered_species/tigers/index.cfm ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:11:57 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) I generally don't like smooth jazz covers either. But I do like both Anita Baker's original version of "Same Ole Love" and Billy Cobham's cover of it. Bill Quoting Stephen Ylvisaker : > > On 1/24/06 4:44 PM, "Leslie O." wrote: > > This makes me think of of other interesting covers > > > think if we heard a recording of Basia singing a > > plumbing manual there'd be a mass- superlative- > > raindown too. Let's be honest. ;-P > > When I used to listen to Pop and Smooth Jazz, I really despised covers, in > general (along with pre-programmed playlists of a very limited library). I > think it was because most of the people doing the covers don't have the > talent/skill or independence/individuality to make the song "their own." If > I wanted to hear something that sounded like the original, I would get the > original and not waste my time with an obvious "copy." > > I started listening to "straight-ahead", or traditional, JAZZ because I > loved Dixieland, and Big Band and Swing. I've come to appreciate the whole > realm of straight-ahead Jazz, while also realizing Smooth Jazz, in general, > is NOT JAZZ, but is music with jazz elements (I also love not having stupid, > inane, senseless, repetitious commercials taking up 10-15 minutes of every > hour). JZZ, with its 80 plus year history, has a lot of covers; 60%, or > more, of everything is a cover of something. For examples, John Coltrane > does a cover of "My Favorite Things;" Miles Davis does a cover of Cyndi > Lauper's "Time After Time;" and Mel Tormi does a cover of Donald Fagen's > "Goodbye Look." All of them are excellent covers. All of them sound like > they own the song. But, that is one of the MAJOR differences from Smooth > Jazz; JAZZ is largely about improvisation and being an individual, and those > that develop a career in JAZZ are very skilled at improvisation and being > individuals. When I hear covers, in the JAZZ realm, I recognize the source, > but I don't "HEAR" the original, I hear Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Nora > Jones, Mel Tormi, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Etta Jones, Diana Krall, etc. > doing a song they have made "their own." > > I have felt all along that Basia is more connected with JAZZ than Smooth > Jazz, because she has that skill to establish her individuality. When I hear > "Till You come Back To Me," I only hear Basia; I don't hear Stevie Wonder. > The same analogy applies to the snippet of "Smooth Operator" that I heard. I > know it's Sade's song, but all I could hear was Basia, because it wasn't > Sade's song, any longer. I, also, am eager to savor the full version, if > it's ever released. > > ---- > Stephen Ylvisaker > greyfell@gns2000.com > "...decide...whether or not the goal is worth the risks involved. If it is, > stop worrying...." Amelia Earhart, Aviatrix > Listen to real JAZZ, on the web, at http://www.kcsm.org/8000.pls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:41:57 -0800 From: "Stephen Ylvisaker" Subject: Birthday today; Basia related We all know Basia loves Brazilian music, and has covered a couple of Jobim songs. Today would have been Antonio Carlos (Tom) Jobim's birthday. Stephen Listen to real jazz at http://www.kcsm.org/8000.pls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Smooth Operatin' remakes > I stand corrected! LOL Never heard about those > bootlegs. How are the > songs, in your opinion? It's a taped recording, made by someone on this list who may speak up ;) of a show during the Time and Tide tour. I personally loved it, it also has early versions of Best Friends and Baby Youre Mine, and uses the horn break from Take Him Back Rachel in the performance of Freeze Thaw. While UYCBTM is okay, after hearing the infamous medley I'd have gunned for Say A Little Prayer, cause it was gorgeous. She does an awesome job on the songs, though Respect sounds like... an Eastern European woman singing Respect, LOL! > And two potentially stupid questions. What is > Alibabki, Female vocal group Basia sang with in Poland when she was college-age, and who sang the > original "Baby I Love You?" Aretha Franklin. I may have the title wrong, anyone? Again, I'm such a dork. But you wouldn't know it if you didn't read this list. :-P - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > It never had that stigma in Japan and entertainers > never had to worry about > any backlash. That's why you see them in many > commercials--it's used more > as a way to market a star than it is in the States, > at least. though I can think of a few instances that US commericals have benefitted the artist commercially too-- remember Moby's Play album being used in a trillion commericals about 6-7 years ago, and every Apple commercial seems to take a song from the hipsters to the masses pretty fast. I probably once had a really strong feeling about commercials-- now, not so much. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) > I love Basia and I love her cover of Until You Come > Back To Me, > but.....listen to Aretha Franklin's version and then > compare Basia's and you will see that > she copied Aretha's take on the song. > I don't have a big problem with that. It's how one > artist pays tribute to > another. I believe that was Bassia's aim. During that time, she said (in multiple interviews, but most notably on A New Day) that she was really consious of doing that, and that she wasn't trying to copy but it sort of turned out that way. so they remixed it to make it more theirs. I tend to think she was referring to the Phil Harding remix because she says they added an element of hip-hop, and that sucker would blow your speakers with the beat. :-) This is terrible paraphrasing on my part, but the general idea. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) > I have felt all along that Basia is more connected > with JAZZ than Smooth > Jazz, because she has that skill to establish her > individuality. I don't know if I think of her as jazz per se, but it's really apparent to me that she isn't smooth jazz. It was a long time ago that she may have been, but it wasn't smooth jazz then anyway right?. Making it easier to flip the bird to SJ is the lack of support they gave Basia, a founding artist of the radio format here in the US, ever since they virtually blackballed TSI and only marginally glanced over at Matt's Mood. How do you do that when someone was so hugely popular and crossing over to pop, before SJ was implimented as a nationally programmed format? To this day there are people from the TnT/LWNY days that don't know TSI exists. WTF? It would be like pop radio deciding, no more Mariah Carey after when she put out Butterfly. Makes no sense! SJ= to me, not a genre but a format. I think people probably wanted to play MM, but had their hands tied because SJ radio is so pre-programmed with little local DJ input. And on the tour we had to endure the various local SJ radio stations' pretense that they were so happy to present Basia and MB even though they weren't playing the album. Blargh. Basia's kinda genreless which I love about them, but I know is a huge PITA in the business of it. Same issues MB had right? Or tons of others that we all love, on this group. Ack, this rant can go on forever. I'm actually in a good mood because I'm having a "day off". :-) When I hear > "Till You come Back To Me," I only hear Basia; I > don't hear Stevie Wonder. > The same analogy applies to the snippet of "Smooth > Operator" that I heard. I > know it's Sade's song, but all I could hear was > Basia, because it wasn't > Sade's song, any longer. Really interesting point... hmmm! - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:45:07 EST From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) I am so glad that the new station here has a very broad view of what "smooth jazz" is. They include songs I wouldn't have expected, but am delighted that they do. Like, Stevie Wonder's "That Girl", Richard Marx's "Keep Coming Back To You", and many others. They have an online panel where listeners can help steer the songlist of the station, which is really cool. I must become more active and get some TSI played, eh? Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Song Covers (was Re: smooooooth operator...) > I am so glad that the new station here has a very > broad view of what "smooth > jazz" is. They include songs I wouldn't have > expected, but am delighted that > they do. Like, Stevie Wonder's "That Girl", Richard > Marx's "Keep Coming Back To > You", and many others. *blinks in amazement* You got me speechless, dude! well done! ;-) - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:57:28 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > different story, but a few decades ago I think a star doing commercials in > the States was frowned down upon greatly. The major stars still don't appear in many commercials here in the States. But they do voice-over work. Gene Hackman, Harrison Ford, George Clooney, Queen Latifah. They've all done voice-over work on commercials recently. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:53:18 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Fw: smooooooth operator... > "Damn you, huge hit song, for making me bloody rich!" Yeah, it's all about the art. The craft. There shouldn't be money involved. What are people thinking by going out and paying money for a copy of it? Should she ever record again, she needs to just post it to a website as a free download so she doesn't have to worry about all of that money. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:41:58 -0600 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... Yeah,, me on stage with Basia and after about 3 bars of "Baby, You're Mine", I WOULD be hers and not utter another note. It was tough enough containing myself at the concert from 40 ft. away! DM&FS > (Does anyone ever wish/imagine they could sing with her??? >besides me???) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:16:59 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > though I can think of a few instances that US > commericals have benefitted the artist commercially > too-- One that jumps out at me is "Nature Anthem" by Grandaddy. It was used by Honda or Toyota for their hybrid car. I think the commercial really helped to sell that song. I know it sold me. It's totally pointless, but it's catchy and uplifting. It reminds me of a hippy hit. I could see a VW Vanagon with flower children dancing around it to that song. ;) Barry "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:32:23 -0800 From: "Stephen Ylvisaker" Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... - ----- Original Message ----- > > different story, but a few decades ago I think a star doing commercials in > > the States was frowned down upon greatly. > > The major stars still don't appear in many commercials here in the States. > But they do voice-over work. Gene Hackman, Harrison Ford, George Clooney, > Queen Latifah. They've all done voice-over work on commercials recently. > > Barry Then again, Catherine Zeta Jones (bless her heart!) is the designated spokesperson for Sprint PCS. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:00:00 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: smooooooth operator... > Then again, Catherine Zeta Jones (bless her heart!) is the > designated spokesperson for Sprint PCS. T-Mobile. "Get More" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:07:32 -0800 From: "Gary Wingert" Subject: RE: smooooooth operator... > One that jumps out at me is "Nature Anthem" by Grandaddy. It > was used by Honda or Toyota for their hybrid car. I think > the commercial really helped to sell that song. I know it A couple of sites dedicated to the music heard on ads: http://www.commercialbreaksandbeats.co.uk/index.asp The UK Television Advert Music Database http://adtunes.com/ The guide to commercial TV advertising music. Has forums where people ask "What is that song in that crazy iPod ad..?" It's helped me find a few cool tunes... Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:12:52 -0800 From: "Stephen Ylvisaker" Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... - ----- Original Message ----- > > > Then again, Catherine Zeta Jones (bless her heart!) is the > > designated spokesperson for Sprint PCS. > > T-Mobile. "Get More" Oops! You're right, Gary! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:57:58 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > Then again, Catherine Zeta Jones (bless her heart!) is the designated > spokesperson for Sprint PCS. I would debate the validity of Catherine Zeta Jones as a major star (I'm just not really a fan of hers). But I know what you're saying. She's very popular and well known, and clearly their spokesperson. Then there's Joan Cusack, who is the spokesperson for US Cellular. But she's hardly as known as dear Catherine. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: smooooooth operator... > I would debate the validity of Catherine Zeta Jones > as a major star (I'm > just not really a fan of hers). But I know what > you're saying. She's very > popular and well known, and clearly their > spokesperson. I think the vast majority of the population would consider her a major star. > Then there's Joan Cusack, who is the spokesperson > for US Cellular. But > she's hardly as known as dear Catherine. OMG, I love her. I have a comedic younger brother, and his friends think I'm the Joan to his John. Don't I wish, LOL Speaking of movie stuff, I just saw 40 Year Old Virgin, and I really liked it. Very sweet, but totally hilarious running joke involving Michael McDonald going on in the background. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / www.gruentransfer.com "The truth hurts... luckily for America, I'm a masochist." --Stephen Colbert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V11 #10 ***************************