From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V10 #221 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, November 25 2005 Volume 10 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related ["Leslie O." ] Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related ["Leslie O." ] MB remix album ["Leslie O." ] Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related ["Lonnie Gunter" Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related I am not going to say anything about Phil and Thelma's comments in regards to Basia, because I ain't going there! But: > Creativity in my head is really cheap. Having > "tragically JUST" been a > mother of six with no outlet for my creativity let > me share with you the > things my children are doing... ok... I will not > even try other than to say > that my daughter is publishing a book, my sons are > each unique with some of > "MY" creativity that I gave to them in everyday > care. I don't believe he was out and out trying to attack wives and mothers. ;-) Phil may be referring to women who feel like they have to choose one or the other, and put their craft away (except for their kids, of course), so the rest of humanity misses out. I personally know too many women who have ditched their muse and that saddens me a little. Why not continue creative work while being a wife and mother? But I digress.... that's someone's personal choice, not for me to judge. > What do you mean by this? Yesterday as one of my > sons was joking about > marrying "up." (financially) I told him that the > ONLY UP is in > spirituality... not money. I told him there is not > a person with money on > this earth that can obtain more spirituality than he > can and that is the > only thing we take with us. The classes are a > temporary thing. It's worth noting that Phil is from the UK and social classes sort of carry a different implication there. They seem more rigid than in the US, though we too have our issues, lord knows... My experience as a working class kid was that pursuing a creative career is not often met with open arms or even regarded as possible. Luckily for my bro and me, our parents were very supportive, but we had friends that really had to fight against their parents because they weren't going to be a roofer or a pipefitter or a mechanic. Maybe that's what Phil kind of meant, that according to British middle-class values a person pursuing music would be a-ok, but if this person had been born a different class they could have taken a different course and their talent lost. Speaking extremely generally of course-- I don't believe a class makes a person and can go on about this for a while... :-D > I am more thankful that she has taken the time to be > a daughter/mother/wife > and felt the real joys of life. The End Yeah.. IMHO, a lot of TSI reiterated: live, be happy, go hang with the fam, take time to enjoy the bits of life that you may take for granted, etc. Oh, and: having a partner is really cool, whee! LOL Interesting, thought provoking conversation guys! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone celebrating in the US. - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com My life in the D is a tragic comedy A poetic verse It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe A dead man's curse --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Symphony No. 2 - Promises (Love Is Contagious) hahahahahah! > Hahaha.... The comment: ....sounds like from > 1895.... makes me laugh > :-D BTW, if only Promises were really written and > recorded in 1895, > what would it be like? Using 3/4 instead of 4/4? > Having classical music > instead of Jazzia? Or it would come as a symphony so > the title would > be: Symphony No. 2 - Promises (Love Is Contagious) > in A major. I do not > mind if it would be like Mozart or Beethoven... :-) Or maybe the Miles Away Rag? Anyhoo-- the annoying thing was that the DJ who made "Promises" sound like a dusty relic on wax cylinder was the game-show-host-esque dude who interviewed them when they performed in the studio (so he should know better!), and he also plays songs like "Winelight" "Morning Dance" and other ye olde toons as if they were cut just the other day. Yet he had to reach back into Tutenkamen's tomb to find the copy of Time and Tide. I mean come on! :-D - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com My life in the D is a tragic comedy A poetic verse It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe A dead man's curse --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:39:43 +0000 From: "49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related Leslie, you can be my defense lawyer any time. Thelma, I'm sorry if you thought that I was underestimating your achievement in rearing a talented creative brood. There are many like you who (I'm sure) do a terrific job in encouraging their children/ relatives on to great heights. Then there are the others who surpress talent and creativity for a variety of reasons which I won't bore the readers with here. As Leslie supposes, the class/background issue in the UK is huge and severely affects opportunity. Basia as a Polish girl from a well to do family had the good fortune to be able to combine early motherhood with the chance to advance her musical career both in her native land and in other countries when the opportunity came up. I'm sure we're all happy she did and I just wish that others would also have that chance. That's all. Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) >From: "Leslie O." >Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related >To: basia@smoe.org >Reply-To: basia@smoe.org > > > >I am not going to say anything about Phil and Thelma's >comments in regards to Basia, because I ain't going >there! But: > >> Creativity in my head is really cheap. Having >> "tragically JUST" been a >> mother of six with no outlet for my creativity let >> me share with you the >> things my children are doing... ok... I will not >> even try other than to say >> that my daughter is publishing a book, my sons are >> each unique with some of >> "MY" creativity that I gave to them in everyday >> care. > >I don't believe he was out and out trying to attack >wives and mothers. ;-) Phil may be referring to women >who feel like they have to choose one or the other, >and put their craft away (except for their kids, of >course), so the rest of humanity misses out. I >personally know too many women who have ditched their >muse and that saddens me a little. Why not continue >creative work while being a wife and mother? But I >digress.... that's someone's personal choice, not for >me to judge. > >> What do you mean by this? Yesterday as one of my >> sons was joking about >> marrying "up." (financially) I told him that the >> ONLY UP is in >> spirituality... not money. I told him there is not >> a person with money on >> this earth that can obtain more spirituality than he >> can and that is the >> only thing we take with us. The classes are a >> temporary thing. > >It's worth noting that Phil is from the UK and social >classes sort of carry a different implication there. >They seem more rigid than in the US, though we too >have our issues, lord knows... > >My experience as a working class kid was that pursuing >a creative career is not often met with open arms or >even regarded as possible. Luckily for my bro and me, >our parents were very supportive, but we had friends >that really had to fight against their parents because >they weren't going to be a roofer or a pipefitter or a >mechanic. Maybe that's what Phil kind of meant, that >according to British middle-class values a person >pursuing music would be a-ok, but if this person had >been born a different class they could have taken a >different course and their talent lost. Speaking >extremely generally of course-- I don't believe a >class makes a person and can go on about this for a >while... :-D > >> I am more thankful that she has taken the time to be >> a daughter/mother/wife >> and felt the real joys of life. The End > >Yeah.. IMHO, a lot of TSI reiterated: live, be happy, >go hang with the fam, take time to enjoy the bits of >life that you may take for granted, etc. Oh, and: >having a partner is really cool, whee! LOL > >Interesting, thought provoking conversation guys! >Happy Thanksgiving to everyone celebrating in the US. > >-- Leslie O. >www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com > >My life in the D is a tragic comedy >A poetic verse >It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe >A dead man's curse > --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com 49ersphil ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:25:41 +0100 From: mondony Subject: Re: Random, Basia related Yes...yes...the french touch...(lol) Mondony Leslie O. a icrit: >>See what you mean. I would bet that the person >>responsible for the shot is >>a Basia fan or has seen the cover and it has stayed >>with them. >> >> > >Once though I saw an old photo from the 60s done in >that style, which is probably the more likely culprit >for homage. > >Recently I saw an image of Francoise Hardy in a >fashion mag that I thought was really cool, so I >googled for others (I was looking for a photo to show >the hair stylist, "DO THIS!" LOL) and you know, taken >in total they reminded me a lot of how Basia was >styled during the LWNY era-- clearly whoever her >stylist was, was inspired by Francoise. Maybe it was >just me or maybe it was the bangs and the motorcycle >jacket were just coincidence ;-P It's classic, anyway. > >Blah blah blah... > >-- Leslie O. a la mode > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related > Leslie, you can be my defense lawyer any time. *bows* I just had a feeling - --Leslie O. pleads the Fifth __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: Re: Random,French related > Yes...yes...the french touch...(lol) Oui! And thinking about French fashion icons/singers makes me remember that I need more French pop in my life. Especially more Jacques Dutronc! - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com My life in the D is a tragic comedy A poetic verse It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe A dead man's curse --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Leslie O." Subject: MB remix album Did you guys see on M-B the doodad about Mark Reilly and Mark Fisher reuniting for a Japan tour and for the release of a remix album? Is anyone into this (meaning the album since not a lot of us are in Japan)? I'm actually looking forward to it-- I really like Mark Reilly now (shut it, jw! ;-) ) and have to admit the Mark and Mark stuff has wiggled its way into my 'Pod, though neatly segregated from the Matt Bianco OGs. ;-) Just throwing it out there. Catch! Time for more turkey... - -- Leslie O. www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com My life in the D is a tragic comedy A poetic verse It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe A dead man's curse --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:47:22 -0500 From: "Lonnie Gunter" Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related Thanks Phil.... I find myself in defense of motherhood and the real value of having mother in the home more and more. I do try to have the fresh bread smell for my kids and just adore the challenges and good times while they are still developing and learning. I do imagine being involved in the creation of music someday in the not to distant future. I am so grateful for many things this day and want all the fellow Basia friends to know that I appreciate them in my life. We do a family newsletter each year and this has been a wonderful year. Meeting Basia was indeed a highlight. I just need my husbands job situation to work out. I hope you all have a wonderful time with family and friends in whatever similar holiday you may have in your country. There is some sappy music on gratitude on the TV right now as I write this so I better stop before I start crying... Leslie, I hope all is going well for your mother. Happy Thanksgiving to all... Thelma - ----- Original Message ----- From: "49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk> To: Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related > > Leslie, you can be my defense lawyer any time. > > Thelma, I'm sorry if you thought that I was underestimating your achievement > in rearing a talented creative brood. There are many like you who (I'm sure) > do a terrific job in encouraging their children/ relatives on to great heights. > Then there are the others who surpress talent and creativity for a variety > of reasons which I won't bore the readers with here. > > As Leslie supposes, the class/background issue in the UK is huge and severely > affects opportunity. Basia as a Polish girl from a well to do family had > the good fortune to be able to combine early motherhood with the chance to > advance her musical career both in her native land and in other countries > when the opportunity came up. I'm sure we're all happy she did and I just > wish that others would also have that chance. That's all. > > Original Message -- > >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Leslie O." > >Subject: Re: Random, mostly socioecomically related > >To: basia@smoe.org > >Reply-To: basia@smoe.org > > > > > > > >I am not going to say anything about Phil and Thelma's > >comments in regards to Basia, because I ain't going > >there! But: > > > >> Creativity in my head is really cheap. Having > >> "tragically JUST" been a > >> mother of six with no outlet for my creativity let > >> me share with you the > >> things my children are doing... ok... I will not > >> even try other than to say > >> that my daughter is publishing a book, my sons are > >> each unique with some of > >> "MY" creativity that I gave to them in everyday > >> care. > > > >I don't believe he was out and out trying to attack > >wives and mothers. ;-) Phil may be referring to women > >who feel like they have to choose one or the other, > >and put their craft away (except for their kids, of > >course), so the rest of humanity misses out. I > >personally know too many women who have ditched their > >muse and that saddens me a little. Why not continue > >creative work while being a wife and mother? But I > >digress.... that's someone's personal choice, not for > >me to judge. > > > >> What do you mean by this? Yesterday as one of my > >> sons was joking about > >> marrying "up." (financially) I told him that the > >> ONLY UP is in > >> spirituality... not money. I told him there is not > >> a person with money on > >> this earth that can obtain more spirituality than he > >> can and that is the > >> only thing we take with us. The classes are a > >> temporary thing. > > > >It's worth noting that Phil is from the UK and social > >classes sort of carry a different implication there. > >They seem more rigid than in the US, though we too > >have our issues, lord knows... > > > >My experience as a working class kid was that pursuing > >a creative career is not often met with open arms or > >even regarded as possible. Luckily for my bro and me, > >our parents were very supportive, but we had friends > >that really had to fight against their parents because > >they weren't going to be a roofer or a pipefitter or a > >mechanic. Maybe that's what Phil kind of meant, that > >according to British middle-class values a person > >pursuing music would be a-ok, but if this person had > >been born a different class they could have taken a > >different course and their talent lost. Speaking > >extremely generally of course-- I don't believe a > >class makes a person and can go on about this for a > >while... :-D > > > >> I am more thankful that she has taken the time to be > >> a daughter/mother/wife > >> and felt the real joys of life. The End > > > >Yeah.. IMHO, a lot of TSI reiterated: live, be happy, > >go hang with the fam, take time to enjoy the bits of > >life that you may take for granted, etc. Oh, and: > >having a partner is really cool, whee! LOL > > > >Interesting, thought provoking conversation guys! > >Happy Thanksgiving to everyone celebrating in the US. > > > >-- Leslie O. > >www.basiaweb.com / gruentransfer.com > > > >My life in the D is a tragic comedy > >A poetic verse > >It's voodoo some say-- black magic ettouffe > >A dead man's curse > > --Brendan Benson, "Life in the D" > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > 49ersphil > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 11/23/2005 ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V10 #221 ****************************