From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V10 #144 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, June 13 2005 Volume 10 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Barry" ] Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly [j w ] Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Barry" ] RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Steve Richardson" ] Back to the OT topic of Timing pregnancy perfectly [ZZsaZZsa@aol.com] Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Barry" ] Re: Back to the OT topic of Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Barry" ] RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: sprouting chilluns [Leslie Osborn ] Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly ["Barry" ] re: OT (again) Holiday Showdown! [Leslie Osborn ] RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly [j w ] RE: Atlanta show pictures ["Stale Tail" ] RE: OT (again) Holiday Showdown! ["Steve O'Hearn" ] OT: WWJP? (What would Jesus play) ["Barry" ] Re: OT: WWJP? (What would Jesus play) [j w ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:32:58 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > OKAY! It's now officially time to get the hip boots on! I didn't say it was a verifiable fact. But many scholars have shown that it is entirely possible, and like I said it was long before 9/11 so it's not just another one of those cheesy conspiracy theories like the one about Nostradamus predicting it. You don't have to believe it, but they make a strong case for it if you read the facts that are presented. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly More importantly, if Jesus returned and chose to play professinal sports, what would he play? I'm thinking point guard in basketball. Probably a little small, but modern training, eating, and chemical regimens could help with that. Obviously he'd have the "court vision" thing down, and who better to lead a team, assuming of course that they are all Christians? I don't think he'd dig the violence in football, and he's a little on the frail side, even for wide receiver. The best part of having Jesus on your team is that when you thank him after the game, you don't sound like a juvenile because hey, he's on the team, he contributed. - --- "Desianto F. W." wrote: > > But the most important thing is that, Jesus was > born, is being born, > and will be born in every heart of everyone who > accepts Him as the > saviour of his/her life. ---- Czesc, Desianto F. W. > ---- > --- owner-basia@smoe.org > wrote: > > > > > I can think of one example. Mary timed Jesus' > birth > > > to fall right on Christmas day. > > > > That got me thinking. This could stir all sorts > of debate, but it's > just a > > comment. Don't take it as gospel (so to speak), > just something that > some > > experts believe. > > > > Some people believe that Jesus wasn't born on > Christmas Day. In > fact, they > > believe he was born on September 11th. Yes, 9/11. > This is something > that > > has been bounced around for a long time, long > before "9/11" came to > mean > > something. > > > > If that is true, then he was conceived around > December 25th, which I > believe > > those same scholars believe. I've seen good > evidence to support it > but I > > don't think there's anything definitive. > > > > Just something to consider. > > > > Barry > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM > and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:11:25 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > Some also believe it was timed to meld with the > Northern European pagan Yule holiday season. Yeah, many Christian holidays coincide with Pagan holidays. Also, there are a LOT of Christian traditions, around the holidays and in general, that have Pagan roots. They all have neat little stories of how they "originated", but in reality they were copied/stolen from the Pagans they wanted to oust. > Early Popes thought it was better to align with old trads > than to try to destroy them, But many early Christians had the idea of "phasing out" the Pagan holidays by establishing Christian holidays at the same time. > Whoa... how did we get to this line of convo? ;-) LOL No kidding, especially considering the subject line! ;) We're getting waaaaay off topic now. But it's interesting. I'm always interested in historical/religious facts/trivia. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:20:09 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly OK. That was freakin' hilarious. I'm saving that one. - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.3 liter 2004 Mazda RX-8 GT TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS <=SOLD naturallyaspiratedHOTTNESS 1.8 liter 2003 Mazda MX-5 Miata LS I once saw a forklift lift a crate of forks. And it was way to literal for ME. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:47 AM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly More importantly, if Jesus returned and chose to play professinal sports, what would he play? I'm thinking point guard in basketball. Probably a little small, but modern training, eating, and chemical regimens could help with that. Obviously he'd have the "court vision" thing down, and who better to lead a team, assuming of course that they are all Christians? I don't think he'd dig the violence in football, and he's a little on the frail side, even for wide receiver. The best part of having Jesus on your team is that when you thank him after the game, you don't sound like a juvenile because hey, he's on the team, he contributed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:03:55 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly (heavy sigh...) If I had said they timed it perfectly to have a baby on a certain day, of course that would have been ridiculous. But is it not realistic that someone could decide to attempt to conceive (go off birth control, etc.) and realize, hey, if this is successful, we can pretty well bet the baby will come along 8 or 9 months from now? And can't the actress, who is being paid enormous sums of money to play a non-pregnant woman on TV, can do the math and figure out that she will be as big as a blimp while they are still filming the season's episodes? If you want to call me a jerk for saying these actresses could either time it better, or wait until the series is cancelled to start having kids, that's fine. But don't ridicule me for something I didn't say. Thanks. Steve R. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Timing pregnancy perfectly > > In a message dated 6/9/2005 5:04:29 PM Central Daylight Time, > steve7701@theriver.com writes: > > c) Gets pregnant and times it perfectly so they have to either miss half > the season or spend the season wearing ridiculously baggy clothing that > disguises nothing (Leah Remini, Debra Messing) > > > > Wow, Steve, do you have any children? I mean, have you ever gone through > the "getting pregnant process?" You must have since you know some secret > way > to "time it perfectly." > Sheesh. > -Sheryl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:40:21 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly I'm gonna throw in my useless two cents worth here. I worked as an assistant manager for Toys-R-Us for several years, in the early 90's. I blame Toys for the fact that I have little hair left. Anyway, three - THREE - Christmas seasons in a row a female manager was pregnant and missed the most important 6 weeks of the year. Not only did that mean that the other managers had to pick up the slack, but the pregnant managers also shared in the bonus. We did all the work and yet they shared the spoils. That always bugged me, but more so after one admitted to trying very hard to conceive in February, so she wouldn't have to work in December. Rant over. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:00:56 -0500 From: Bev Okin-Larkin Subject: Wedding Music Revisited Hey gang, Worked a wedding yesterday, and the third song after the ceremony was over (and the wedding party was being set up for the"formal" shots) I heard Basia's "Cruising for a Bruising" - I was pleased and of course, but also was thinking " 'Best Friends' would be better...." rather than the lyrics of that particular tune. Anyways, I overheard one of the wedding party's bridesmaids commenting, "Jeez, why is that DJ playing Madonna?" I just shook my head at that.... they were all under 24 so I guess they lumped our Polish Diva with Madonna. Anyhows as the night wore on (and on believe me! what a disorganized wedding!) I had a chance to chat with the DJ and he IS a Basia-phile and he and I are going to be exchanging info. He was unable to go to San Antonio and was VERY interested in my adventures. What a small world. - -- Bev Okin-Larkin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:41:43 EDT From: ZZsaZZsa@aol.com Subject: Back to the OT topic of Timing pregnancy perfectly In a message dated 6/12/2005 3:15:00 AM Central Daylight Time, steve7701@theriver.com writes: (heavy sigh...) If I had said they timed it perfectly to have a baby on a certain day, of course that would have been ridiculous. But is it not realistic that someone could decide to attempt to conceive (go off birth control, etc.) and realize, hey, if this is successful, we can pretty well bet the baby will come along 8 or 9 months from now? And can't the actress, who is being paid enormous sums of money to play a non-pregnant woman on TV, can do the math and figure out that she will be as big as a blimp while they are still filming the season's episodes? If you want to call me a jerk for saying these actresses could either time it better, or wait until the series is cancelled to start having kids, that's fine. But don't ridicule me for something I didn't say. Thanks. Steve R. No, what you propose isn't realistic. The average time it takes a couple to conceive is one year. It isn't like, "let's go off the pill, do the hibbity-bibbity and 'TA-DA' be pregnant." Also, a woman shouldn't have to try to "time her pregnancy" around her occupation...no matter what she does or how much she is paid. Period. I find your comments offensive. - -Sheryl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:50:20 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > Anyway, three - THREE - Christmas > seasons in a row a female manager was pregnant and missed the most > important 6 > weeks of the year But if it had been the same manager...YIKES!!! I have 2 girls that are 15 months apart. I couldn't imagine having 3 that close together. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:21:13 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Back to the OT topic of Timing pregnancy perfectly I'm not taking sides, and I may regret commenting, but I will anyway. These are just objective comments based on the statements I've seen. Take it all for what it's worth. > No, what you propose isn't realistic. > > The average time it takes a couple to conceive is one year. It isn't > like, > "let's go off the pill, do the hibbity-bibbity and 'TA-DA' be pregnant." What he proposed may not be common, but it's certainly realistic. I can attest to it personally. My wife was ON the pill, we did the hibbity-bibbity, and "TA-DA" we got a surprise. So it's not at all impossible for someone to off of it and be fertile enough to conceive right away. That's assuming they were on it in the first place. If someone wanted to have one at a certain time bad enough (especially a celeb) there are always fertility drugs too. I've had friends who got pregnant within a month or two of going off the pill. One friend had a baby, was getting ready to go back on it, and was already pregnant. Her kids are 10 months apart. Some people are very fertile, and sometimes things just happen. > Also, a woman shouldn't have to try to "time her pregnancy" around her > occupation...no matter what she does or how much she is paid. Period. I don't think that was ever an issue that was brought up. He mentioned that he thought some actresses might try to time their pregnancy to conincide with work schedules (which I never said I agreed with, but it's certainly *possible*). But he never said they had to do it. Saying they shouldn't have to do it implies (at least to me) that they were forced to do it, or felt they had no other choice. He never said that, and I don't think that would ever be an issue unless an actress was looking for a way out of a contract. But there would be much better ways of doing that. I hope you see the points I'm trying to make. I'm not saying I side with either of you, I'm just presenting another way of looking at things. We have no idea the behind the scenes stories and probably never will. Frankly unless we're friends/family of those people, it's none of our business. No matter how famous they are. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:45:36 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly Which is why bunnies and eggs - all associated with signs of fertility - were connected with Easter celebrations - which recognizes the resurrection of Christ. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Osborn > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:54 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > > > > > Some people believe that Jesus wasn't born on > > Christmas Day. > > Some also believe it was timed to meld with the > Northern European pagan Yule holiday season. Early > Popes thought it was better to align with old trads > than to try to destroy them, which would rightfully > piss everyone off. ;-) So they timed lots of Christian > holidays to hit the pagan celebratory seasons. > > Whoa... how did we get to this line of convo? ;-) LOL > > > > -- Leslie O. > > "Music is a world within itself > With a language we all understand" --Stevie > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:45:37 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly Very true. And it goes both ways. Halloween, for instance, started as a pagan reaction to November 1, which is All Saint's Day, an old Christian holiday, or "holy day." > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Barry > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:11 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > > > > > Some also believe it was timed to meld with the > > Northern European pagan Yule holiday season. > > Yeah, many Christian holidays coincide with Pagan holidays. > Also, there are > a LOT of Christian traditions, around the holidays and in > general, that have > Pagan roots. They all have neat little stories of how they "originated", > but in reality they were copied/stolen from the Pagans they > wanted to oust. > > > Early Popes thought it was better to align with old trads > > than to try to destroy them, > > But many early Christians had the idea of "phasing out" the Pagan > holidays > by establishing Christian holidays at the same time. > > > Whoa... how did we get to this line of convo? ;-) LOL > > No kidding, especially considering the subject line! ;) We're getting > waaaaay off topic now. But it's interesting. I'm always interested in > historical/religious facts/trivia. > > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:45:36 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly VERY interesting. Makes you wonder about the 2001 attacks on the WTC and DC. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:30 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > > > > That's actually why the number for emergency calls is > 911 in the U.S. The originator of the system thought > it was a nice bit of symbolism, using the savior of > mankind's birthday as the number. > > --- Barry wrote: > > Some people believe that Jesus wasn't born on > > Christmas Day. In fact, they > > believe he was born on September 11th. Yes, 9/11. > > This is something that > > has been bounced around for a long time, long before > > "9/11" came to mean > > something. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: sprouting chilluns My thought on this disagreement (I love you all for being so civil, BTW) is that women have a lot of BS regarding pregnancy thrown at them by the more unenlightened men of the world. So when a seemingly innocent comment like the timing one is thrown out there, it can get our hackles up. Or so that is with my hackles. ;-) Because I kind of had the same reaction Sheryl had. Even if it's spoken by one of our many modern, sensitive men on the smoe list. ;-) I'm realizing that there really seems to be no way to time it perfectly, because the minute you say, yeah, let's start at x time, then something else will happen to form a blockade. Finally you want to just throw the calendar in disgust and go to it already. Sometimes you have to say, you know, this step in life is more important for now than a mere job, and maybe she did. Or didn't. Barry said it best, it's not our biz. ;-) - -- Leslie O. "Eating is murder!" -- Futurama episode, "The Problem with Popplers" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:01:20 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > Very true. And it goes both ways. Halloween, for instance, started as a > pagan reaction to November 1, which is All Saint's Day, an old Christian > holiday, or "holy day." I'm not sure that's entirely true. Meaning I'm not sure which came first. It is believed that Nov 1st was the first day of the year on the old Celtic calendar. If you type in "Samhain" on Google you'll get a lot of information on the Celtic and Pagan celebrations. I have a feeling that they predated All Saints Day, but I can't say for sure. It's celebrated as a time of rebirth and contemplation, and marks the changing of a quarter. I could go into more depth, but I'll save those who don't really care. ;) Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: re: OT (again) Holiday Showdown! Crap, I threw out the quote by mistake. Oh well. Anyway, I always heard that All Saints Day was a reaction to Samhain and like celebrations. But like i know. Now.... Day of the Dead, explain that one! Seemingly "pagan" holiday celebrated in predominately Catholic Mexican society. Vuurry interestink! I know so little. ;-) NP: Breakout/Sun Goddess, SOS... - -- Leslie O. "Eating is murder!" -- Futurama episode, "The Problem with Popplers" __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: RE: Timing pregnancy perfectly Ok, you know I was kidding, right? And what exactly would it make you wonder even if it was true? - --- Steve O'Hearn wrote: > > VERY interesting. Makes you wonder about the 2001 > attacks on the WTC and > DC. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w > > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:30 PM > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Timing pregnancy perfectly > > > > > > > > That's actually why the number for emergency calls > is > > 911 in the U.S. The originator of the system > thought > > it was a nice bit of symbolism, using the savior > of > > mankind's birthday as the number. > > > > --- Barry wrote: > > > Some people believe that Jesus wasn't born on > > > Christmas Day. In fact, they > > > believe he was born on September 11th. Yes, > 9/11. > > > This is something that > > > has been bounced around for a long time, long > before > > > "9/11" came to mean > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:44:27 +0000 From: "Stale Tail" Subject: RE: Atlanta show pictures Steve, That is a great picture of you and Basia, and she certainly does look like she is in love with you! It is perfectly fine to link to the photos that Tara and I took. I noticed a few more hits recently. JOE >From: "Steve O'Hearn" >Reply-To: basia@smoe.org >To: >Subject: RE: Atlanta show pictures >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:21:07 -0400 > > >Joe - > >Just put a link to your great photos from my measly little web page, which >is at http://www.corbinian.com/usr/basia > >FYI. And of course, there's already a link to Leslie's as well. > >- Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:27:14 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: OT (again) Holiday Showdown! > I know so little. ;-) Me, too! I'm not really sure at all about the ASD/Samhain thing. And I agree - the Day of the Dead thing is really curious ... I've wondered about those origins. Suddenly I feel like hugging an olive tree. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Osborn > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:04 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: re: OT (again) Holiday Showdown! > > > > Crap, I threw out the quote by mistake. Oh well. > Anyway, I always heard that All Saints Day was a > reaction to Samhain and like celebrations. But like i > know. > > Now.... Day of the Dead, explain that one! Seemingly > "pagan" holiday celebrated in predominately Catholic > Mexican society. > > Vuurry interestink! > I know so little. ;-) > > NP: Breakout/Sun Goddess, SOS... > > > > -- Leslie O. > > "Eating is murder!" -- Futurama episode, "The Problem with Popplers" > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. > Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:55:48 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: OT: WWJP? (What would Jesus play) > More importantly, if Jesus returned and chose to play > professinal sports, what would he play? My first guess is golf. He seems like a pretty laid back guy who can deal with stress, so I'm going with the PGA tour. If he hit a water hazard his ball would probably just bounce off of it, if it can "walk" on water too. Or he'd just part it like the Red Sea and play through without a penalty shot. My next guess would be some sort of water sport, see the above comments. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: OT: WWJP? (What would Jesus play) I can see golf. He would sort of be used to the gallery following him around, it's sort of like the disciples, only I doubt Peter ever yelled, "You the man!" Who would caddy for him? "Cinderella story outta Bethlehem, former carpenter and now about to become the Masters champion." Barefoot waterskiing would be redundant. Would he be allowed in Olympic swimming events? Wait, the strokes cover that; if he just runs across the pool, he'd be disqualified. But I guess if he had good stamina, running the swimming portion of a triathalon would give him a huge advantage. If he wasn't above a little chicanery, he could even run along the marathon route turning every cup of Gatorade that's held out into wine, thus causing every competitor that comes after him to either become dehydrated or plastered. - --- Barry wrote: > > > More importantly, if Jesus returned and chose to > play > > professinal sports, what would he play? > > My first guess is golf. He seems like a pretty laid > back guy who can deal > with stress, so I'm going with the PGA tour. If he > hit a water hazard his > ball would probably just bounce off of it, if it can > "walk" on water too. > Or he'd just part it like the Red Sea and play > through without a penalty > shot. > > My next guess would be some sort of water sport, see > the above comments. > > Barry Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V10 #144 ****************************