From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V10 #123 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, May 16 2005 Volume 10 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Sweetest Illusion [PParm16424@aol.com] RE: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) ["Kamille" ] RE: The Sweetest Illusion ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: The Sweetest Illusion ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: The Sweetest Illusion [Bill Roberts ] RE: The Sweetest Illusion [j w ] Let's review [Bill Roberts ] Re: The Sweetest Illusion [J3SITE@aol.com] RE: Let's review ["Barry" ] RE: Let's review ["Jeff Abrams" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:02:56 EDT From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Re: The Sweetest Illusion Bill, With all due respect, there was no "right" side of that whole mess. Regardless of agreeing with your position, you were blinded by being "right", and it caused you to ignore the pleas to stop it, even ignored the warnings of people leaving the group over it. You could have stopped it at any time, but unfortunately you HAD to keep going, you HAD to respond to every email, you HAD to get the last word in. And THAT makes you every bit as "wrong" as anyone else might have been. Being "right" doesn't give anyone the right to override most everyone else, who just wanted it to end, period. And the fact that you are still thinking you were "right" also speaks volumes. Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:13:05 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) Come and get it: http://midi.mazdamaniac.com/mp3/Basia%20-%20So%20Nice.mp3 - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com 2-in-1 is a bullshit term, because 1 is not big enough to hold 2. That's why 2 was created. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Greg Kain Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:44 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) I love Astrud Gilberto, "the Girl from Ipanema". Basia did a cover of her Summer Samba (so nice) a few years ago with a band from Japan. If anyone has a link to that version, I would like to hear it again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: RE: Astrud > I really think I was born in the wrong time, I > always have. I should have > been born 25 years earlier, and been in the prime of > my youth in the '60s. > So many things about it were just incredible. But I > wasn't just born in the > wrong time, I was born in the wrong place. I > should've been born in Europe > too. I feel you pain there, buddy. ;-) Where *is* the Tardis when one needs it? - --LO __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:59:52 -0500 From: "Kamille" Subject: Re: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) Jeff, Thanks for sharing "So Nice." It made my day! Kamille ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Abrams To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) Come and get it: http://midi.mazdamaniac.com/mp3/Basia%20-%20So%20Nice.mp3 --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com 2-in-1 is a bullshit term, because 1 is not big enough to hold 2. That's why 2 was created. -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Greg Kain Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:44 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Astrud (was The Sweetest Illusion) I love Astrud Gilberto, "the Girl from Ipanema". Basia did a cover of her Summer Samba (so nice) a few years ago with a band from Japan. If anyone has a link to that version, I would like to hear it again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:04:52 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: The Sweetest Illusion Thelma - You are so cool, and I'm so glad to have met you at the Atlanta concert. I'm with you ALL the way on the foul language. It's not that it's "shocking" or "offensive", people who curse are so pretentious to think they have such power. It's just that's so unimaginative and BORING! I remember seeing "Primary Colors", the movie that was sort of about the Clinton campaign. "F" this and "F" that and "F" this and "F" that and it got so distracting that I honestly don't remember much of the plot, I just kept thinking "alright already, i get it, i get it, say something DIFFERENT!?!?!?!!" It's like the old "you know" phase - remember that? You know, like, I was like, you know, and she was like, you know, and then, you know, we were like, puh-leeeze!" I've heard entire discussions along those lines, and I have zero idea what people are trying to say. I remember Seinfeld saying something about this while he was on Letterman one night, before his TV series began - that when comedians starting going "blue" and using foul language, he - as a comedian - takes that as a sure sign the foul-mouthed performer has simply run out of material, and is leaning on the nervous-laughter aspect. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Lonnie Gunter > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:21 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The Sweetest Illusion > > > > I feel like starting every post with "having had six children" when I hear > this. Last time, I described the back and forth fighting as > being like the > worst day of parenting when you are ready to change religions and start to > cuss.... (from a religious non-cussing person) Oh.. that reminds me... > when one of my sons friends heard me talking about Basia and bad > language in > music he said "You mean to tell me she does not have ONE cuss word in any > of her songs?" To which I replied that intelligent people don't need to > cuss... they can find other ways to express a negative feeling or > situation. > After the conversation I did think to myself 'Unless some of the Polish > words are considered swear words....there are none in her music." > Leslie... > no need to defend yourself... some people are contentious in life and some > are not. Opinions are mind stretching and just fun to read. You > don't need > to agree with everything said. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I do > know that I have enjoyed some pretty ugly things in my life made > by a child > who was expressing love. One of my sons made something for > Basia that was > not that perfectly made but it made me feel loved that he would > want to make > it for her just because he saw me doing something for her. With > understanding this world is one beautiful place to live. I just love > everybody and everything... I live in "la la land..." Funny Thelma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: The Sweetest Illusion > > > > > > I "get it". But, do you? > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > In a message dated 5/14/05 10:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > whroberts@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > > Are you trying to start something AGAIN? > > > > > > I would like to emphasize the phrase, "within bounds". Get it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:06:04 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: The Sweetest Illusion Desianto - I do vaguely remember some discussion about Astrud, but I confess there have been times - especially back around 1999 to about 2001 - when I was working insane work schedules, and sometimes I just skimmed this listserv, or - dare I confess it - even deleted messages without reading them, I just had absolutely no time. So yes, I do remember a time when "Astrud" came up, but other than remember some sort of references to her in a Basia song, I didn't read enough to assimilate who that really was. But now I know! - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Desianto F. W. > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:38 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: The Sweetest Illusion > > > > --- Steve O'Hearn wrote: > > > > > Ok, kids, I'm ignorant - who IS Astrud? > > > > > ============================= > > Steve, > > Have you already forgotten it? Where were you when we once talked > about her a long time ago - when the silence era was still going on - > and I even said that Astrud had ever made an appearance in an old > film/movie entitled "Get Yourself a College Girl", singing "Girl > >From Ipanema" accompanied with Stan Getz with his complete band? > > Even I still have the poster of the movie. I had posted/sent it to > someone here (sorry, forget the name) at that time so everybody > could see it. > > Czesc, > Desianto F. W. > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:24:02 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: The Sweetest Illusion >You could have stopped it at any time, Then with all due respect, I must note that I wasn't the only one who wouldn't stop, was I? And cetainly Joe's stupid comment shows how arrogant he still is, doesn't it? I didn't want to see another flame war, and Joe's only stupid response was to try and look like he was above it all and had been the reasonable one all along. Well, he wasn't. For that matter, JW tried to act like he was above it all last time, as well, which was just as arrogant. With all due respect, Phil, ask yourself who is starting the trouble now? If Joe "gets it" like he said he did, then maybe he could have simply said something along the same lines. Instead, he acted like he was on the side of reason all along, and I was only just now joining him. What an idiot. Quoting "" : > > Bill, > > With all due respect, there was no "right" side of that whole mess. > Regardless of agreeing with your position, you were blinded by being "right", > and it > caused you to ignore the pleas to stop it, even ignored the warnings of > people > leaving the group over it. You could have stopped it at any time, but > unfortunately you HAD to keep going, you HAD to respond to every email, you > HAD to get > the last word in. And THAT makes you every bit as "wrong" as anyone else > might > have been. Being "right" doesn't give anyone the right to override most > everyone else, who just wanted it to end, period. And the fact that you are > still > thinking you were "right" also speaks volumes. > > Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: RE: The Sweetest Illusion - --- Steve O'Hearn wrote: > I remember Seinfeld saying something about this > while he was on Letterman > one night, before his TV series began - that when > comedians starting going > "blue" and using foul language, he - as a comedian - > takes that as a sure > sign the foul-mouthed performer has simply run out > of material, and is > leaning on the nervous-laughter aspect. > > - Steve On the other hand, I seriously doubt that Seinfeld would say for one moment that Richard Pryor, George Carlin, or any number of other brilliant comedians who use foul language are necessarily out of material. Cussing is like any other part of language. It can be used well or poorly, too much, with imagination or without. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:36:31 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Let's review Let's review what just happened. 1) Another heated exchange was taking place. 2) I wanted to try to do something positive this time. 3) In the process, I fully admited culpability in the recent "cat fight" as some have called it 4) I took the chance that I might get jumped on by doing that. 5) Joe took the opportunity to thump me. 6) I responded to his childish attack. 7) I also said I think I was still on the right side. I still do, even if my tactics were down on the level of the other side. 8) Who gets criticized? Me. 9) Who criticizes Joe for stirring things up again? No one as of yet. Does that speak volumes to anyone here about Joe? Quoting Bill Roberts : > > >You could have stopped it at any time, > > > Then with all due respect, I must note that I wasn't the only one who > wouldn't > stop, was I? And cetainly Joe's stupid comment shows how arrogant he still > is, > doesn't it? I didn't want to see another flame war, and Joe's only stupid > response was to try and look like he was above it all and had been the > reasonable one all along. Well, he wasn't. For that matter, JW tried to act > > like he was above it all last time, as well, which was just as arrogant. > > With all due respect, Phil, ask yourself who is starting the trouble now? If > > Joe "gets it" like he said he did, then maybe he could have simply said > something along the same lines. Instead, he acted like he was on the side of > > reason all along, and I was only just now joining him. > > What an idiot. > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > Bill, > > > > With all due respect, there was no "right" side of that whole mess. > > Regardless of agreeing with your position, you were blinded by being > "right", > > and it > > caused you to ignore the pleas to stop it, even ignored the warnings of > > people > > leaving the group over it. You could have stopped it at any time, but > > unfortunately you HAD to keep going, you HAD to respond to every email, > you > > HAD to get > > the last word in. And THAT makes you every bit as "wrong" as anyone else > > might > > have been. Being "right" doesn't give anyone the right to override most > > everyone else, who just wanted it to end, period. And the fact that you > are > > still > > thinking you were "right" also speaks volumes. > > > > Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:50:34 EDT From: J3SITE@aol.com Subject: Re: The Sweetest Illusion Oh yeah Billy. It's plain to see that you "get it". We all fully expect that you will attempt to take this non-issue and turn it into another of your "flame" campaigns. At least it gives you something to do, huh? Pathetic! ~Joe~ In a message dated 5/15/05 4:31:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whroberts@iquest.net writes: > >You could have stopped it at any time, > > > Then with all due respect, I must note that I wasn't the only one who > wouldn't > stop, was I? And cetainly Joe's stupid comment shows how arrogant he still > is, > doesn't it? I didn't want to see another flame war, and Joe's only stupid > response was to try and look like he was above it all and had been the > reasonable one all along. Well, he wasn't. For that matter, JW tried to > act > like he was above it all last time, as well, which was just as arrogant. > > With all due respect, Phil, ask yourself who is starting the trouble now? > If > Joe "gets it" like he said he did, then maybe he could have simply said > something along the same lines. Instead, he acted like he was on the side > of > reason all along, and I was only just now joining him. > > What an idiot. > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > Bill, > > > > With all due respect, there was no "right" side of that whole mess. > > Regardless of agreeing with your position, you were blinded by being > "right", > > and it > > caused you to ignore the pleas to stop it, even ignored the warnings of > > people > > leaving the group over it. You could have stopped it at any time, but > > unfortunately you HAD to keep going, you HAD to respond to every email, > you > > HAD to get > > the last word in. And THAT makes you every bit as "wrong" as anyone else > > might > > have been. Being "right" doesn't give anyone the right to override most > > everyone else, who just wanted it to end, period. And the fact that you > are > > still > > thinking you were "right" also speaks volumes. > > > > Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:51:53 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: RE: Let's review Good grief!! I wish you all would just grow up and shut up. If you MUST keep up with this garbage, keep it to yourselves. You can go back and forth all day in private emails, just save the rest of us from your irritating chatter. I couldn't care less who's right or wrong, be adults and let it go. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:09:44 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Let's review Jesus, Bill. WTF is wrong with you? Are you an adult? Amazing. No one cares what happened and no one is interested in whether or not you are right or wrong. Only you. So, for your spleen's sake, give it up. Don't bother to flame me. I don't care, either. This is a Basia list and that is all that matters to me. - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com I went to this doctor, all he did was suck blood from my neck. Don't ever see Dr. Acula. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bill Roberts Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 6:37 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Let's review Let's review what just happened. Lets not. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V10 #123 ****************************