From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V10 #96 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Tuesday, April 19 2005 Volume 10 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: enough already [Bill Roberts ] Re: Everyone... pt. 2 [j w ] Re: Me, me, me [Bill Roberts ] Re: Everyone... [j w ] For everyone- [j w ] sense of humor [Bill Roberts ] I've had it ["Barry" ] Re: other Concerts [Max Wellhouse ] Re: OT: concerts [Max Wellhouse ] Bye. [Dr Dirk Pilat ] Your Dream Basia Playlist [j w ] RE: enough already ["Steve O'Hearn" ] The Charleston ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: enough already ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: enough already ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: Me, me, me ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: sense of humor ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: For everyone- ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: Mark Reilly ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: Your Dream Basia Playlist [Max Wellhouse ] Re: Your Dream Basia Playlist [j w ] RE: enough already ["Steve O'Hearn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:04:57 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: RE: enough already Actually I was quoting someone else's quote from you. Of course, that isn't personal is it? It's just plain funny. What a sense of humor you have. Wow. I bet you are the life of the party, aren't you? Is Don Rickles your hero? Quoting j w : > > If you are going to quote me, get it right. It was > "spastic elf". > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > Yes Steve, you have apparently missed a lot. > > > > "Spasticated Elf" > > "sockful of gravel down his throat" > > > > to mention a few. I hope you are nto trying to > > characterize these attacks as > > "honest critiques". > > > > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > > > > I don't think there's anything wrong with honest > > critiques. I think the > > > nature of Basia's music is that it attracts a > > highly intelligent and > > > creative bunch. Having been on this list for > > perhaps over 5 or so years, > > > I've been amazed at how appreciative and > > respectful this group has been, by > > > and large. The "flame wars" that plague most > > online groups I've seen are > > > largely absent here. > > > > > > As for honest and constructive criticisms, well, > > I'm guessing that Basia and > > > company aren't the types who want to surround > > themselves with a bunch of > > > "yes" men. Or women. I'd like to think they are > > smarter than that. > > > > > > So maybe I missed something over the past few > > days. I kept looking for the > > > negative posts. But the only posts I've managed > > to see that are negative > > > are shooting down the people who were saying they > > didn't like Mark's voice. > > > Seems as if there have been dozens and dozens and > > dozens of those. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org > > [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > > > Bill Roberts > > > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:30 AM > > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > > Subject: Re: enough already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is about Basia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 10:53:09 AM Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > > > > whroberts@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In contrast to the exquisite sounds of > > Basia's voice was > > > > Mark's voice > > > > > > which > > > > > > was mediocre in contrast. However, Mark can > > carry a tune and > > > > their voices > > > > > > > > > > > blended well in superb harmony". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, but how do you give a thorough, > > honest review without > > > > mentioning > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll agree that Mark can carry a tune. He > > doesn't sing out > > > > of tune. I > > > > > just do not find his voice to be pleasant. I > > do not agree that > > > > > "their voices blended well in superb harmony". > > But we all > > > > listen differently > > > > > > > > > > and hear differently. We also have different > > tastes and > > > > expectations. That's > > > > > > > > > > why we have this list isn't it? To exchange > > ideas and feelings > > > > about Basia, > > > > > et > > > > > al? Or am I mistaken? Is this meant to be > > solely a fan club-type list? > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: Everyone... pt. 2 I just answered your question with the post that you replied to (and answered it in another one as well). This is getting old. You don't bother to read, you just mash on the keyboard and pound the "Send" button. - --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > Like I said look at your own words. Bash. How > would you like it if people > said the things about you that have been said about > Mark? Answer that. > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > Since you aren't getting it, I'll repeat it one > more > > time. Nothing I said was personal. It was all an > > accurate (to me) assessment of his voice. If > someone > > appraised my nose as being "large", they'd be > correct. > > If someone said it was, "condor-like" it would > also > > be accurate (though perhaps over the top, like my > > criticism). In either instance, assuming there > was > > some context to the issue, I wouldn't be bothered. > > > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > > Look at your own words. "Bash". Just how bad > does > > > it have to get before you > > > think it's personal? > > > > > > > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take it one step further. Point out any > post > > > > where anyone bashed anything about Mark that > > > didn't > > > > relate to his voice or stage presence. No one > > > said he > > > > molested llamas or kept Basia hostage for the > last > > > ten > > > > years. Everything has been aimed at his > skills or > > > > lack thereof as a performer. I'm sorry that > Dr. > > > > Pilat's feelings are hurt due to his > friendship > > > with > > > > Mark, but none of these rips have been > personal. > > > > > > > > --- J3SITE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Leslie, you have access to all the e-mails. > > > Please > > > > > point out the e-mail where > > > > > I've made an all out attack on Mark or the > band. > > > I > > > > > don't believe I've done > > > > > so. I believe my critiques have been > reasonable > > > and > > > > > fair. Does that mean I > > > > > should suffer boorish idiots like Billy R.? > I > > > don't > > > > > think so. As a matter of fact I > > > > > don't really recall reading any all-out > attacks > > > on > > > > > the band. > > > > > Anyway, please show me where I'm incorrect. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 12:23:27 PM > Eastern > > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > marzenie_99@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not a fan club list obviously. But > > > there's a > > > > > diff > > > > > > between a critical review and an all out > > > attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over > 17,000 guides! > > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:10:58 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Me, me, me Ya know Steve, I have been ignoring a lot for a while. I have been staying out of debates and arguments. I have been tolerating much from a certain two people on this list, but it gets to the point where enough is enough. Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > Just an observation - those who are classy enough to rise above the fray > here should be able to see easily how those in the trenches still duking it > out have a common theme to their flames ... '*I* know more than you, what > did you say about ME, God died and made ME the expert, look up what you said > about ME, I, I, ME, ME, ME !!!!' > > WHAT-ever. You'd think they'd have enough sense to take their flames > offline. > > But to reiterate - don't unsubscribe if you dislike this stuff. Just ignore > it, or make THEM unsubscribe. > > Don't let the terrorists win! > > > > ... but mark's voice really isn't in the same class as basia's tho, gotta > admit that, doncha? > > :0 > > !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: Everyone... I'm not sure how to diagnose you. You told me to not call you names, and in fact, I haven't. Would you care to point out one post where I called you a name? Are you referring to wishing that people would act like adults? Ok, I apologize. The following are all examples of mature language used by level-headed adults responding intelligently in a discussion: "piss off" "...boneheads..." "If you want to read stupid writing read J3SITE." "You'd think someone with the IQ of a fly..." "Fred may be dizzy from a kiss, but you are just dizzy." (you get bonus points for this one, he wasn't even talking to you at the time) "You aren't smart enough to get everything he says in his music... Maybe you will be happy when you drive everyone off this list except the narrow tunnel-vision low-lifes, like yourself." "Apparently I was using words that are too big for you." "So talk about Basia, then clown." - --- Bill Roberts wrote: > Over-the-top is too much. And don't call me names > either. I don't appreciate > your characterization. You are in no postion to > call anything adult or not. > Like I have said, I hope you get to be the recipient > of "funny" remarks about > what you do for a living. I hope they are on the > same childish level as your > unfunny remarks. > > > > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > If I was a performer and someone didn't like my > voice, > > I'd take it. As long as it wasn't factually > > inaccurate, I'd eat it. Trust me, Mark is a grown > up > > and has been in the business long enough to > develop > > some thick skin. Again, everything I said about > his > > singing was a sincere if over the top expression > of > > how I heard his voice. Yes, his voice reminds me > of > > an electric razor. Yes, he sounds like he has a > kazoo > > stuck in his throat. Yes, he sounds like Ned on > > Southpark. I didn't say his mama wears combat > boots > > or that he should kill himself to spare the world > of > > his presence. > > > > As for what I'd expect, I'd expect those who agree > > with me and think it's funny to say, "I agree with > you > > and that was funny." I'd expect those who agree > with > > me but think I went a little far to say, "I don't > care > > for his voice, but that was a little harsh." I'd > > expect those who completely disagree with me to > say, > > "Wow, I really disagree with you there, I love > Mark's > > voice," or to ignore me. > > > > In other words, I'd expect people to act like > adults > > with a sense of humor and respond in kind or > ignore > > me. > > > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > > When you go overboard to criticize someone to > the > > > point of gross exaggeration, > > > what do you think the result will be? Try > putting > > > yourself in the position of > > > receiving comments like you and Rocky have been > > > dishing out. I would hate to > > > hear what you and Rocky would say if you were > trying > > > to get personal. > > > > > > > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take it one step further. Point out any > post > > > > where anyone bashed anything about Mark that > > > didn't > > > > relate to his voice or stage presence. No one > > > said he > > > > molested llamas or kept Basia hostage for the > last > > > ten > > > > years. Everything has been aimed at his > skills or > > > > lack thereof as a performer. I'm sorry that > Dr. > > > > Pilat's feelings are hurt due to his > friendship > > > with > > > > Mark, but none of these rips have been > personal. > > > > > > > > --- J3SITE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Leslie, you have access to all the e-mails. > > > Please > > > > > point out the e-mail where > > > > > I've made an all out attack on Mark or the > band. > > > I > > > > > don't believe I've done > > > > > so. I believe my critiques have been > reasonable > > > and > > > > > fair. Does that mean I > > > > > should suffer boorish idiots like Billy R.? > I > > > don't > > > > > think so. As a matter of fact I > > > > > don't really recall reading any all-out > attacks > > > on > > > > > the band. > > > > > Anyway, please show me where I'm incorrect. > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 12:23:27 PM > Eastern > > > > > Daylight Time, > > > > > marzenie_99@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not a fan club list obviously. But > > > there's a > > > > > diff > > > > > > between a critical review and an all out > > > attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: For everyone- This is for the list. I've made my case quite well. I never namecalled, and I never personally attacked anyone. I will from this point on delete Mr. Robert's posts without looking. My apologies to anyone who found this entire exchange as tiresome as I. - --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > Well done. I hope the level of rhetoric on the > list > > continues to be this high. > > > > Again it's on your level. If you want it to stop, > then stop it. > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > I haven't caught him making non-stop namecalling > > posts. Correct me if I'm wrong (although I didn't > > care for the apparent fight challenge). > > > > Again, look at the man calling for reasonable > dialog > > and for people to let go. I haven't said anything > > about Reilly in days that wasn't in response to my > old > > criticisms. Forget "letting go", I was never > holding > > on to anything in the first place. Yet hear you > are > > again: > > > > "So piss off." > > > > Well done. I hope the level of rhetoric on the > list > > continues to be this high. > > > > > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > > > You have got to be kidding. You have > dispensed > > > with > > > > more childish vitriol aimed at other list > members > > > than > > > > anyone, and yet you bring me into this. You > even > > > had > > > > the gaul to sympathize with Amy. I've yet to > > > namecall > > > > or go off on another list member (though you > are > > > > sorely testing me). However over the top my > > > musical > > > > criticism has been, it's all been on point. > > > > > > J3SITE had the gaul to sympathize with Amy, too. > > > > Why don't you mention that? > > > And I was geniuinely sorry to offend her. I'm > not > > > sorry to offend you or > > > Rocky. So piss off. I am sorely testing you? > Wow. > > > You are really amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over > 17,000 guides! > > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:22:16 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: sense of humor >If you are going to quote me, get it right. It was > "spastic elf". I guess name-calling is only "funny" and shows an "adult sense of humor" when it isn't aimed at you. If you think name calling shouldn't be done on this list, why don't start with yourself? When you live up to that standard, you can start expecting others to do so, as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:00:49 -0500 From: "Barry" Subject: I've had it For now, I am going to filter all mail from this list straight to my trash folder. I will check back in a few weeks to see if the idiots have gotten it out of their system yet. There are a lot of people here who need to get their heads out of their butts. What should have been a simple debate or discussion that should've been over long ago has escalated into a big stupid mess. I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but if you think I'm talking about you you're probably right. Leslie, or Amy if you decide to stay, please send me a direct email when the kiddies have grown up. Otherwise I'll check back in June to see if things are any better yet. If they aren't by then, I'll probably just leave. I have better things to do with my time. Barry "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:09:37 -0500 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: other Concerts I heard some of Anita's stuff from the new CD at Best buy some time ago, haven't bought it yet, but from what I gathered, if you liked the old, you'll like the new. It did seem more like her 4th CD than the 2nd and 3rd. Rapture is a classic for all time. BTW, the Little Rock paper panned her concert as the worst one of the year in LR. Not sure what that reviewer was smokin' but Ms. Anita had me in the palm of her hand for the whole 90 minutes. Somewhere I've got a list of what I've attended since 6th grade or so.It started with the Beach Boys in Des Moines in December of 64. Hope it never ends!! At 12:52 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >All right Max. That does it! You are hereby required to bring me along on all >concerts you attend. Man, you've seen some great artists. I feel for you over >the Carlton miss. The only time I saw him was when he was with Steely Dan. >They were great but I'd love to catch him solo. His version of Sleepwalk >is the >best, bar none. >Have you heard Anita Baker's newest CD? Any comments on it before I buy? > >~Joe~ > >In a message dated 4/18/05 1:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maxjoyce@ipa.net >writes: > > > > Would love to see them before they die off!. Doubt they get to the > midwest > > > > very often. my wife made me choose between going to see Jimmy Webb in > > downtown Chicago or seeing Basia in the Twin Cities. That was a VERY > tough > > choice, but Basia won out due to the supply/demand thing. Ray Charles > > cancelled his gig here in Cedar Falls(UNI campus) due to knee surgery or > > something like that and didn't reschedule before he passed on. I could've > > seen him at the Olympics in Atlanta in 96 ,but $50 for a seat back then > was > > too rich for my blood. couldn't begine to tell you the best concert I've > > ever seen. Larry Carlton comes close as does Diana Krall. Carlton > came to > > Little Rock(my home at the time) and played outside for $5 a head, > wouldn't > > you know we were out of town that night. I was bumed for a month > > afterward. Anita Baker was awesome, as was the trio set of Jonathan > > Butler,Gerald Aalbright, and Earl Klugh. Klugh played last, but I'm not > > sure he deserved to. Leo Kotke came to CF in late January, but I was > > tapped out at the time. > > > > Enough ranting about the good ole days, but let me close with this > > plumb. A high school chum of mine had his dad take him and some of his > > friend to the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake Iowa(very near where Buddy > > Holly's plane went down) to see the Yardbirds back in the middle 60's. A > > very young Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck were part of the band at the > > time. My parents wouldn't have done that for anything!! > > Max ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:20:23 -0500 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: OT: concerts Yeah hype gets in the way of facts sometimes. I'll recheck his email and get back to you. I'm pretty sure it was 1964. At 03:03 PM 4/18/2005, steve7701@theriver.com wrote: >Don't think Clapton & Beck ever played together in a Yardbirds >concert...Clapton left in March 1965 and Beck replaced him. Possibly they >saw one of the rare shows where Beck and Jimmy Page were co-lead >guitarists with the Yardbirds...which would be an equally awesome memory. > >What tour was Carlton on the road with Steely Dan? Or was it a one-time >appearance during a tour? I know he did the studio work but didn't >realize he ever played with them at a show or tour. I'd love to find a >tape of him playing live with them! > >Steve R. > > > >All right Max. That does it! You are hereby required to bring me along on all >concerts you attend. Man, you've seen some great artists. I feel for you over >the Carlton miss. The only time I saw him was when he was with Steely Dan. >They were great but I'd love to catch him solo. His version of Sleepwalk >is the >best, bar none. >~Joe~ > > > > > Enough ranting about the good ole days, but let me close with this > > plumb. A high school chum of mine had his dad take him and some of his > > friend to the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake Iowa(very near where Buddy > > Holly's plane went down) to see the Yardbirds back in the middle 60's. A > > very young Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck were part of the band at the > > time. My parents wouldn't have done that for anything!! > > Max ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:45:33 +1200 From: Dr Dirk Pilat Subject: Bye. Someone please give me a shout when this list has come to terms with its trolls. Until then: bye. D - - Dr Dirk Pilat Central Medical Oamaru New Zealand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Your Dream Basia Playlist I was trying to think of what would constitute my dream set. Here's what I came up with from the "Best" playlist that I created on my Nomad: Promises Run for Cover Time and Tide Best Friends Brave New Hope Cruising for Bruising Not an Angel Ordinary People Until You Come Back to Me Drunk on Love More Fire than Flame The Sweetest Illusion Yearning Waters of March Those are in no particular order. I really want Not an Angel live as she didn't do it on either of the solo tours I saw (at least not at my shows). Damn, only 14 songs, that would be a short show, but I'd be happy. :) I'm curious as to other's favorites. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:41 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: enough already Spasticated Elf? Wow, I did miss that and the rest. So ... were those directed at Mark? Yikes. You gotta give whoever said that points for creative insults. But it strikes me as the opposite end of the spectrum of what I've grown accustomed to from this fine group. Thanks for the update. Perhaps my anti-elf-discrimination filter trashed that email before it got to me. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Bill Roberts > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:15 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: enough already > > > > Yes Steve, you have apparently missed a lot. > > "Spasticated Elf" > "sockful of gravel down his throat" > > to mention a few. I hope you are nto trying to characterize > these attacks as > "honest critiques". > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > I don't think there's anything wrong with honest critiques. I think the > > nature of Basia's music is that it attracts a highly intelligent and > > creative bunch. Having been on this list for perhaps over 5 or > so years, > > I've been amazed at how appreciative and respectful this group > has been, by > > and large. The "flame wars" that plague most online groups > I've seen are > > largely absent here. > > > > As for honest and constructive criticisms, well, I'm guessing > that Basia and > > company aren't the types who want to surround themselves with a bunch of > > "yes" men. Or women. I'd like to think they are smarter than that. > > > > So maybe I missed something over the past few days. I kept > looking for the > > negative posts. But the only posts I've managed to see that > are negative > > are shooting down the people who were saying they didn't like > Mark's voice. > > Seems as if there have been dozens and dozens and dozens of those. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > > Bill Roberts > > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:30 AM > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: enough already > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is about Basia. > > > > > > > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 10:53:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > whroberts@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In contrast to the exquisite sounds of Basia's voice was > > > Mark's voice > > > > > which > > > > > was mediocre in contrast. However, Mark can carry a tune and > > > their voices > > > > > > > > > blended well in superb harmony". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, but how do you give a thorough, honest review without > > > mentioning > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll agree that Mark can carry a tune. He doesn't sing out > > > of tune. I > > > > just do not find his voice to be pleasant. I do not agree that > > > > "their voices blended well in superb harmony". But we all > > > listen differently > > > > > > > > and hear differently. We also have different tastes and > > > expectations. That's > > > > > > > > why we have this list isn't it? To exchange ideas and feelings > > > about Basia, > > > > et > > > > al? Or am I mistaken? Is this meant to be solely a fan > club-type list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:42 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: The Charleston > Back to stepping back... Leslie, let's go steppin' out together ... do a little swing dancing 'til the kids calm down. Any jitterbuggers in this group? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:43 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: enough already Ever hear Seinfeld talk about Bozo The Clown? "I mean, do we really still have to add 'The Clown' at the end? I mean, are there any other Bozos out there? Don't we all know who Bozo is? Are we thinking that maybe we'll confuse him with 'Bozo the District Attorney?'" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Bill Roberts > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:12 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: enough already > > > > I am partial to Ronald myself. > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > Hm. Apparently Bill wants Joe to discuss Basia, and then > discuss "clown". > > I wonder if he means clowns in general, or one in particular. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > > Bill Roberts > > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:53 AM > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: enough already > > > > > > > > > > > > So talk about Basia, then clown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Billy. That makes everything so clear. > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is about Basia. > > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 10:53:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > > whroberts@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In contrast to the exquisite sounds of Basia's voice was > > > Mark's voice > > > > > > which > > > > > > was mediocre in contrast. However, Mark can carry a > tune and their > > > > voices > > > > > > > > > > > blended well in superb harmony". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, but how do you give a thorough, honest review > > > without mentioning > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll agree that Mark can carry a tune. He doesn't sing > > > out of tune. I > > > > > just do not find his voice to be pleasant. I do not agree that > > > > > "their voices blended well in superb harmony". But we all listen > > > > differently > > > > > > > > > > and hear differently. We also have different tastes and > expectations. > > > > That's > > > > > > > > > > why we have this list isn't it? To exchange ideas and > feelings about > > > > Basia, > > > > > et > > > > > al? Or am I mistaken? Is this meant to be solely a fan > > > club-type list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:45 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: enough already :) We can take 'em! Bring 'em on! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Bill Roberts > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:54 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: enough already > > > > Better watch it, Steve. You are liable to be challenged to a > fistfight. Not > by me, of course. > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > I think all people who engage in name-calling are just a bunch > of poo-poo > > heads. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:46 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Me, me, me Well, agreed. I confess I haven't been following every email that's come through. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Bill Roberts > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:11 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Me, me, me > > > > Ya know Steve, I have been ignoring a lot for a while. I have > been staying out > of debates and arguments. I have been tolerating much from a certain two > people on this list, but it gets to the point where enough is enough. > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > Just an observation - those who are classy enough to rise above the fray > > here should be able to see easily how those in the trenches > still duking it > > out have a common theme to their flames ... '*I* know more than > you, what > > did you say about ME, God died and made ME the expert, look up > what you said > > about ME, I, I, ME, ME, ME !!!!' > > > > WHAT-ever. You'd think they'd have enough sense to take their flames > > offline. > > > > But to reiterate - don't unsubscribe if you dislike this stuff. > Just ignore > > it, or make THEM unsubscribe. > > > > Don't let the terrorists win! > > > > > > > > ... but mark's voice really isn't in the same class as basia's > tho, gotta > > admit that, doncha? > > > > :0 > > > > !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:44:47 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: sense of humor No name calling is acceptable. Unless the name is "little fat rat weasel". That's funny, I don't care who says it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:46:32 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: For everyone- I thought it was pretty lively, actually. Amazing how many people weighed in this time around. There are more people on this list than I thought. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:15 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: For everyone- > > > > This is for the list. I've made my case quite well. > I never namecalled, and I never personally attacked > anyone. I will from this point on delete Mr. Robert's > posts without looking. My apologies to anyone who > found this entire exchange as tiresome as I. > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > Well done. I hope the level of rhetoric on the > > list > > > continues to be this high. > > > > > > > Again it's on your level. If you want it to stop, > > then stop it. > > > > > > Quoting j w : > > > > > > > > I haven't caught him making non-stop namecalling > > > posts. Correct me if I'm wrong (although I didn't > > > care for the apparent fight challenge). > > > > > > Again, look at the man calling for reasonable > > dialog > > > and for people to let go. I haven't said anything > > > about Reilly in days that wasn't in response to my > > old > > > criticisms. Forget "letting go", I was never > > holding > > > on to anything in the first place. Yet hear you > > are > > > again: > > > > > > "So piss off." > > > > > > Well done. I hope the level of rhetoric on the > > list > > > continues to be this high. > > > > > > > > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > You have got to be kidding. You have > > dispensed > > > > with > > > > > more childish vitriol aimed at other list > > members > > > > than > > > > > anyone, and yet you bring me into this. You > > even > > > > had > > > > > the gaul to sympathize with Amy. I've yet to > > > > namecall > > > > > or go off on another list member (though you > > are > > > > > sorely testing me). However over the top my > > > > musical > > > > > criticism has been, it's all been on point. > > > > > > > > J3SITE had the gaul to sympathize with Amy, too. > > > > > > Why don't you mention that? > > > > And I was geniuinely sorry to offend her. I'm > > not > > > > sorry to offend you or > > > > Rocky. So piss off. I am sorely testing you? > > Wow. > > > > You are really amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over > > 17,000 guides! > > > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:09:15 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Mark Reilly There is nothing like a well thought and worded ad hominem attack to prove your point. Good job, Bill. - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com People teach their dogs to sit, it's a trick. I've been sitting my whole life, and a dog has never looked at me as though he thought I was tricky. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bill Roberts Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:08 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Mark Reilly I already sent it once. Indianapolis. And you are obviously too stupid to realize I wasn't talking about your real family, even though I have already said it once. Anytime, stupid. Btw would you like to know how many people have emailed me offlist to tell me how much they dislike you? You continue to respond to other's posts as though you think anyone still wants to communicate with you. You are completely oblivious. What a complete dumbass. You are too stupid to know how much you have made others dislike you. What a small world you live in. You just don't know when to shut up and drop it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:27:09 -0500 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: Your Dream Basia Playlist Gotta have Copernicus in there!!! MaxAt 06:23 PM 4/18/2005, j w wrote: >I was trying to think of what would constitute my >dream set. Here's what I came up with from the "Best" >playlist that I created on my Nomad: > >Promises >Run for Cover >Time and Tide >Best Friends >Brave New Hope >Cruising for Bruising >Not an Angel >Ordinary People >Until You Come Back to Me >Drunk on Love >More Fire than Flame >The Sweetest Illusion >Yearning >Waters of March > >Those are in no particular order. I really want Not >an Angel live as she didn't do it on either of the >solo tours I saw (at least not at my shows). > >Damn, only 14 songs, that would be a short show, but >I'd be happy. :) > >I'm curious as to other's favorites. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! >http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: Your Dream Basia Playlist That's it? Only Copernicus? Man, your dream show would be even shorter than mine. :) - --- Max Wellhouse wrote: > > Gotta have Copernicus in there!!! > > MaxAt 06:23 PM 4/18/2005, j w wrote: > > >I was trying to think of what would constitute my > >dream set. Here's what I came up with from the > "Best" > >playlist that I created on my Nomad: > > > >Promises > >Run for Cover > >Time and Tide > >Best Friends > >Brave New Hope > >Cruising for Bruising > >Not an Angel > >Ordinary People > >Until You Come Back to Me > >Drunk on Love > >More Fire than Flame > >The Sweetest Illusion > >Yearning > >Waters of March > > > >Those are in no particular order. I really want > Not > >an Angel live as she didn't do it on either of the > >solo tours I saw (at least not at my shows). > > > >Damn, only 14 songs, that would be a short show, > but > >I'd be happy. :) > > > >I'm curious as to other's favorites. > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over > 17,000 guides! > >http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:35:58 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: enough already That reminds me - anyone ever remember a song called "Spasticus Artisticus" --? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:30 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: enough already > > > > If you are going to quote me, get it right. It was > "spastic elf". > > --- Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > Yes Steve, you have apparently missed a lot. > > > > "Spasticated Elf" > > "sockful of gravel down his throat" > > > > to mention a few. I hope you are nto trying to > > characterize these attacks as > > "honest critiques". > > > > > > Quoting Steve O'Hearn : > > > > > > > > I don't think there's anything wrong with honest > > critiques. I think the > > > nature of Basia's music is that it attracts a > > highly intelligent and > > > creative bunch. Having been on this list for > > perhaps over 5 or so years, > > > I've been amazed at how appreciative and > > respectful this group has been, by > > > and large. The "flame wars" that plague most > > online groups I've seen are > > > largely absent here. > > > > > > As for honest and constructive criticisms, well, > > I'm guessing that Basia and > > > company aren't the types who want to surround > > themselves with a bunch of > > > "yes" men. Or women. I'd like to think they are > > smarter than that. > > > > > > So maybe I missed something over the past few > > days. I kept looking for the > > > negative posts. But the only posts I've managed > > to see that are negative > > > are shooting down the people who were saying they > > didn't like Mark's voice. > > > Seems as if there have been dozens and dozens and > > dozens of those. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org > > [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > > > Bill Roberts > > > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:30 AM > > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > > Subject: Re: enough already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is about Basia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting "" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 10:53:09 AM Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > > > > whroberts@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In contrast to the exquisite sounds of > > Basia's voice was > > > > Mark's voice > > > > > > which > > > > > > was mediocre in contrast. However, Mark can > > carry a tune and > > > > their voices > > > > > > > > > > > blended well in superb harmony". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine, but how do you give a thorough, > > honest review without > > > > mentioning > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Joe~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll agree that Mark can carry a tune. He > > doesn't sing out > > > > of tune. I > > > > > just do not find his voice to be pleasant. I > > do not agree that > > > > > "their voices blended well in superb harmony". > > But we all > > > > listen differently > > > > > > > > > > and hear differently. We also have different > > tastes and > > > > expectations. That's > > > > > > > > > > why we have this list isn't it? To exchange > > ideas and feelings > > > > about Basia, > > > > > et > > > > > al? Or am I mistaken? Is this meant to be > > solely a fan club-type list? > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V10 #96 ***************************