From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V10 #86 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, April 15 2005 Volume 10 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Headphones ["Amy ODonnell" ] and... [Leslie Osborn ] RE: Headphones ["Jeff Abrams" ] After the tour [steve7701@theriver.com] The Beacon performance [KGoski@aol.com] Re: The Beacon performance [j w ] Re: The Beacon performance [J3SITE@aol.com] Re: The Beacon performance ["Amy ODonnell" ] Re: OT Okemos/Detroit/Mottos/whatever [PParm16424@aol.com] Mark [PParm16424@aol.com] Re: The Beacon performance [Samurai27@aol.com] Re: The Beacon performance [Samurai27@aol.com] Re: Mark [Leslie Osborn ] Re: The Beacon performance [j w ] Re: The Beacon Performance [steve7701@theriver.com] Re: The Beacon Performance [j w ] Re: The Beacon Performance [Leslie Osborn ] RE: The Beacon performance ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: The Beacon performance [Bill Roberts ] Re: The Beacon performance [j w ] Re: Basia at the Beacon Theater [Max Wellhouse ] Re: Basia at the Beacon Theater [PParm16424@aol.com] Implosion ["49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk>] Re: Implosion ["Amy T. O'Donnell" ] Re: The Beacon performance ["Dennis J. Majewicz" ] Fw: The Beacon performance ["Steve Richardson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:53:51 GMT From: "Amy ODonnell" Subject: RE: Headphones Okay, I'm already depressed. Knock it off. - -- Leslie Osborn wrote: > Sorry to be such a downer, but even a day later, I > am still a little > depressed after seeing Matt Bianco. I really > expected more. > > P.S. - Something more that upset me, though totally > unrelated - the > audience. Beside the fact that so many people were > talking loudly over the > music, the entire crowd made it quite obvious that > they were there to see > Basia and not Mark. Whenever Basia would > re-introduce him, the audience was > stone silent. Not a clap or cheer in the place. I > really felt bad for him. > Furthermore, the people there would actually groan > and boo when Basia would > announce that they were going to do a song off of > the new album! My God, this is depressing. Not to even mention the band issues. All the help they can get is needed for them right now, and shows like this aren't doing them any favors. - --LO __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: and... Oh, I forgot one! - --why the hell did they think they could fill these big venues with an unknown band with no publicity? They should have gone the small club route. I mean, they've had to be moved to them anyway, what the heck? But I digress.... - --LO __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:09:04 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Headphones The room was mostly full - there were just a few empty tables at the extreme edges where the view and sound would have been compromised at best, anyway. The complete review would probably be summed up as "good but unsatisfying". Having attended every Basia concert on the eastern seaboard (DC, New York, New Jersey, etc.) since 1988, I was coming with very high expectations which was probably unrealistic. - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com If you had a friend who was a tightrope walker, and you were walking down a sidewalk, and he fell, that would be completely unacceptable... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Steve O'Hearn Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:46 AM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: RE: Headphones Jeff - Thanks for this - I've been looking for a Birchmere review in particular. I'm a DC/Baltimore area local, but have been on extensive biz travel, mostly in the Atlanta/Greenville area. I made special arrangements to be back in town when the Ram's Head/Baltimore show was booked, and just barely got back into town in time to find out it had been cancelled. I *almost* re-arranged plans - again - to attend the shows at the Birchmere this week, but reluctantly decided not to. All to say - I was curious to know how it went. Thanks for the input. Was there much of a crowd there? - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:15:00 -0700 (MST) From: steve7701@theriver.com Subject: After the tour Maybe with luck we'll see some interviews with Basia after the tour...and someone can gently ask what her future plans are. My guess is based on her past history that if she opts to return to the "solo" career we won't see another album before 2009 or thereabouts. If she sticks with MB...maybe Mark will push her into another album or tour in just another year or so. Good and bad either way. Tough questions indeed. - -- there's some tough questions that are going to need to be answered when this album/tour runs its course. - --Leslie O. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:40:28 EDT From: KGoski@aol.com Subject: The Beacon performance I had not seen Basia before last night but always loved her music. I agree that Matt Bianco was a good back up band, but in no way should have shared the Billing. The Fans Loved Basia every time she had the lead. There was a great disporportionate number of Matt Bianco songs and it was very inappropriate that the "other lead singer" referred a few times to the new songs from "His" new album before they performed those. It was also a little embarrasing to watch the lack of audience enthusiasm for most of the MB new album songs. As a counterpoint, each time Basia did one of her leads the audience became very enthusiastic. Towards the end, when she did a few more of her hits, the crowd got into the evening a little more. Yet, it seemed that when that began to happen, another MB song was played and it dampened the energy. Overall Basia was Great. She had fabulous stage presence, good vocal range, endearing personality. I would see her again and again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: The Beacon performance I have to add something that had me just a bit peeved with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning of the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but that they would be doing some of the "old" songs too. By the way she said it and the way that she referred to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like she was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. There was a part of me that wanted to say, "Excuse me, your solo catalog consists of three albums, less than thirty songs. You could perform every solo song you've ever recorded and still do a show that's shorter than any number of pop artists who have a hell of a lot more material. Pardon us for wanting to hear some of that ancient material from your gargantuan body of work. Oh, and maybe we'd like the new stuff better if you didn't have a spastic elf with gravel stuck in his throat getting more mic time than you." - --- KGoski@aol.com wrote: > > I had not seen Basia before last night but always > loved her music. I agree > that Matt Bianco was a good back up band, but in no > way should have shared the > Billing. The Fans Loved Basia every time she had the > lead. There was a great > disporportionate number of Matt Bianco songs and it > was very inappropriate that > the "other lead singer" referred a few times to the > new songs from "His" new > album before they performed those. > It was also a little embarrasing to watch the lack > of audience enthusiasm for > most of the MB new album songs. As a counterpoint, > each time Basia did one of > her leads the audience became very enthusiastic. > Towards the end, when she did a few more of her > hits, the crowd got into the > evening a little more. Yet, it seemed that when that > began to happen, another > MB song was played and it dampened the energy. > Overall Basia was Great. She had fabulous stage > presence, good vocal range, > endearing personality. I would see her again and > again. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:20:49 EDT From: J3SITE@aol.com Subject: Re: The Beacon performance I feel like I just have to say this. You should've listened to me months ago. I knew what I was talking about. I'm going tomorrow night to see Basia...not Matt Bianco. ~Joe~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:25:57 GMT From: "Amy ODonnell" Subject: Re: The Beacon performance May I say something please? Four years ago I went to see Boz Scaggs at the same theater they will be in on the 29th. I'd seen him twice before at the Jazzfest in New Orleans, but missed him the third time in 1994. I was not about to miss him this time, particularly since he'd released "Dig" just a month before. Like "Matt's Mood," it's an interesting album, although that's where the similarity ends. However, I was one of maybe 50 people (if that many) who knew about "Dig." Everyone else came because they wanted him to sing his "big hits from the 70's." Nobody wanted to hear the new stuff, they just wanted "Lido Shuffle." Most didn't know he had any releases after his 1980 "HITS!" album. Someone even lit a joint in the theater and smoked it until security made them put it out. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a concert tour primarily for "Matt's Mood." These folks have a lot of history together and separately. Enjoy it or not, but it is what it is. Thank you. Amy - -- j w wrote: I have to add something that had me just a bit peeved with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning of the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but that they would be doing some of the "old" songs too. By the way she said it and the way that she referred to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like she was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. There was a part of me that wanted to say, "Excuse me, your solo catalog consists of three albums, less than thirty songs. You could perform every solo song you've ever recorded and still do a show that's shorter than any number of pop artists who have a hell of a lot more material. Pardon us for wanting to hear some of that ancient material from your gargantuan body of work. Oh, and maybe we'd like the new stuff better if you didn't have a spastic elf with gravel stuck in his throat getting more mic time than you." - --- KGoski@aol.com wrote: > > I had not seen Basia before last night but always > loved her music. I agree > that Matt Bianco was a good back up band, but in no > way should have shared the > Billing. The Fans Loved Basia every time she had the > lead. There was a great > disporportionate number of Matt Bianco songs and it > was very inappropriate that > the "other lead singer" referred a few times to the > new songs from "His" new > album before they performed those. > It was also a little embarrasing to watch the lack > of audience enthusiasm for > most of the MB new album songs. As a counterpoint, > each time Basia did one of > her leads the audience became very enthusiastic. > Towards the end, when she did a few more of her > hits, the crowd got into the > evening a little more. Yet, it seemed that when that > began to happen, another > MB song was played and it dampened the energy. > Overall Basia was Great. She had fabulous stage > presence, good vocal range, > endearing personality. I would see her again and > again. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:39:18 EDT From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Re: OT Okemos/Detroit/Mottos/whatever Thanks Barry for a good laugh! Leslie: I have not been to Detroit all that often, but I can agree with what you said. I drove my Nissan Maxima down there for the concert, but after finding parking, I had this horrifying feeling I should brought my old Toyota Van instead. From my parking spot, I was faced with a run-down building with all windows smashed out. As I said, I wore leather pants and boots, and was confronted with someone asking me for spare change. I had that feeling again, thinking that I should have dressed down. I was not used to all that, though Lansing is not the epitome of urban beautification, really. Amy: And as for Okemos: It is a small town bordered by East Lansing on the west, and Haslett (where I live) on the north. 90% of my students since 1989 have lived in Okemos. I have been in some of the finest houses I have ever seen. For example, I taught the daughter of the assistant Attorney General for the state of Michigan, the sons of the former president of the Michigan Education Association, sons of Governor Blanchard's (showing my age here) aide, and so on. It really hit me just how "out of my league" I was back in '89, where I was starting up my old rusty Renault LeCar (loved that car!) and looked across the street to see a shiny new Porsche convertible. But Okemos has sort of adopted me, not legally of course, but the fine parents and students therein. Word of mouth has kept the momentum going ever since then. :) Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:44:13 EDT From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Mark I am SO glad the good people of Detroit were at least polite to give Mark and MB. We did give Basia 2 standing ovations. One guy yelled out, "WE LOVE YOU, BASIA!" at one point. But they were very kind to Mark. And I am SO glad! Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:06:04 EDT From: Samurai27@aol.com Subject: Re: The Beacon performance going to the westbury performance tonight and cant wait. denis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:09:10 EDT From: Samurai27@aol.com Subject: Re: The Beacon performance I agree with you but there is one thing we must all be thankful for. It it wasnt for Mark and MB, she would not be performing now. Remember she could not get a label to promote her music. No Label no concert. Let us still be grateful. denis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Mark > I am SO glad the good people of Detroit were at > least polite to give Mark and > MB. We did give Basia 2 standing ovations. One guy > yelled out, "WE LOVE YOU, > BASIA!" at one point. But they were very kind to > Mark. And I am SO glad! ME TOO. However anyone feels about Mark's performance, he strikes me as a good guy with feelings, like anyone else. Yay Detroit! - --LO Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: The Beacon performance Amy, I am not saying that they shouldn't do the new stuff, or even that the new stuff shouldn't be emphasized. What I was saying is that I could have done with less attitude about wanting to hear the old stuff, you know, the old stuff that made Basia's career and was about 95% responsible for the people showing up at these venues today. Do the new stuff, fine, but don't act put upon when people want to hear the older (and by almost unanimous opinion superior) material. - --- Amy ODonnell wrote: > > May I say something please? > > Four years ago I went to see Boz Scaggs at the same > theater they will be in on the 29th. I'd seen him > twice before at the Jazzfest in New Orleans, but > missed him the third time in 1994. I was not about > to miss him this time, particularly since he'd > released "Dig" just a month before. Like "Matt's > Mood," it's an interesting album, although that's > where the similarity ends. However, I was one of > maybe 50 people (if that many) who knew about "Dig." > Everyone else came because they wanted him to sing > his "big hits from the 70's." Nobody wanted to hear > the new stuff, they just wanted "Lido Shuffle." Most > didn't know he had any releases after his 1980 > "HITS!" album. Someone even lit a joint in the > theater and smoked it until security made them put > it out. > > Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a concert tour > primarily for "Matt's Mood." These folks have a lot > of history together and separately. Enjoy it or > not, but it is what it is. > > Thank you. > > Amy > > -- j w wrote: > > I have to add something that had me just a bit > peeved > with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning > of > the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly > making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but > that they would be doing some of the "old" songs > too. > By the way she said it and the way that she referred > to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like > she > was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. > > There was a part of me that wanted to say, "Excuse > me, > your solo catalog consists of three albums, less > than > thirty songs. You could perform every solo song > you've ever recorded and still do a show that's > shorter than any number of pop artists who have a > hell > of a lot more material. Pardon us for wanting to > hear > some of that ancient material from your gargantuan > body of work. Oh, and maybe we'd like the new stuff > better if you didn't have a spastic elf with gravel > stuck in his throat getting more mic time than you." > > --- KGoski@aol.com wrote: > > > > I had not seen Basia before last night but always > > loved her music. I agree > > that Matt Bianco was a good back up band, but in > no > > way should have shared the > > Billing. The Fans Loved Basia every time she had > the > > lead. There was a great > > disporportionate number of Matt Bianco songs and > it > > was very inappropriate that > > the "other lead singer" referred a few times to > the > > new songs from "His" new > > album before they performed those. > > It was also a little embarrasing to watch the lack > > of audience enthusiasm for > > most of the MB new album songs. As a counterpoint, > > each time Basia did one of > > her leads the audience became very enthusiastic. > > Towards the end, when she did a few more of her > > hits, the crowd got into the > > evening a little more. Yet, it seemed that when > that > > began to happen, another > > MB song was played and it dampened the energy. > > Overall Basia was Great. She had fabulous stage > > presence, good vocal range, > > endearing personality. I would see her again and > > again. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:16:44 -0700 (MST) From: steve7701@theriver.com Subject: Re: The Beacon Performance I think there's a bit of levity mixed in here...but seriously, this is an issue that's been bugging people as long as there have been concerts. (I'm probably one of the older list members, with 35 years of concert-going experience, and I know it never changes.) We want to hear the "hits" and the artist wants to play the new stuff. I just read about Bruce Springsteen beginning his solo tour this spring by pre-announcing that he will NOT be playing acoustic versions of his band hits. You can just imagine the consternation of the Bruce fanatics who show up not realizing they're going to be hearing songs off "Nebraska" and "Tom Joad" and not "Born to Run" or "Thunder Road." And it makes sense, in a way. As much as we want to hear the songs we love (off the albums we have paid our hard-earned cash for, and helped the artists make a living), if the performer can't successfully put the new songs out there, eventually they are going to be nothing but an oldies act. Anyway, I'll be out there (in 2-1/2 weeks) enthusiastically cheering for the spastic elf and then really going crazy for Basia. Steve R. j w said... I have to add something that had me just a bit peeved with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning of the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but that they would be doing some of the "old" songs too. By the way she said it and the way that she referred to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like she was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: The Beacon Performance I agree with just about everything you said. Funny enough, Springsteen came to mind first when I thought of artists who do very long shows. I have no problem with what he did for this tour, he's being up front about it. The problem for Basia is that they made a point of putting her name in the billing. This isn't Matt Bianco, and for good reason. They aren't stupid. They know good and well that if they didn't put her name up separately, they would be playing night clubs instead of small theaters. Also, she doesn't have anywhere near the body of work, and worse still, almost all of the music that 90% of her fans know her buy is the "old stuff". I might have read her wrong. She's not dumb, she knows that she is the real attraction, so maybe the "attitude" I referred to was just a sort of gesture on her part that acknowledged the band and downplayed their clearly second fiddle role in this tour. Sort of taking one for the team so to speak. - --- steve7701@theriver.com wrote: > > I think there's a bit of levity mixed in here...but > seriously, this is an > issue that's been bugging people as long as there > have been concerts. > (I'm probably one of the older list members, with 35 > years of > concert-going experience, and I know it never > changes.) We want to hear > the "hits" and the artist wants to play the new > stuff. I just read about > Bruce Springsteen beginning his solo tour this > spring by pre-announcing > that he will NOT be playing acoustic versions of his > band hits. You can > just imagine the consternation of the Bruce fanatics > who show up not > realizing they're going to be hearing songs off > "Nebraska" and "Tom Joad" > and not "Born to Run" or "Thunder Road." > > And it makes sense, in a way. As much as we want to > hear the songs we > love (off the albums we have paid our hard-earned > cash for, and helped the > artists make a living), if the performer can't > successfully put the new > songs out there, eventually they are going to be > nothing but an oldies > act. > > Anyway, I'll be out there (in 2-1/2 weeks) > enthusiastically cheering for > the spastic elf and then really going crazy for > Basia. > > Steve R. > > > > > j w said... > > I have to add something that had me just a bit > peeved > with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning > of > the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly > making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but > that they would be doing some of the "old" songs > too. > By the way she said it and the way that she referred > to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like > she > was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: The Beacon Performance \> I might have read her wrong. She's not dumb, she > knows that she is the real attraction, so maybe the > "attitude" I referred to was just a sort of gesture > on > her part that acknowledged the band and downplayed > their clearly second fiddle role in this tour. Sort > of taking one for the team so to speak. I think, and only judging from what she has said lately, that this makes sense to me. She has been downplaying herself and trying to bring the group up as a whole since they started this thing. - --LO __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:56:26 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: The Beacon performance I think a lot of the "animosity" pointed at the new material is because the fans simply haven't heard it before. The "Matt's Mood" CD wasn't even available to the average music purchaser until this month. I just bought a copy today and it is certainly better material for a CD than a live performance. - --- Jeff Abrams maniac@mazdamaniac.com Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to. Mark Twain - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j w Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:02 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: The Beacon performance Amy, I am not saying that they shouldn't do the new stuff, or even that the new stuff shouldn't be emphasized. What I was saying is that I could have done with less attitude about wanting to hear the old stuff, you know, the old stuff that made Basia's career and was about 95% responsible for the people showing up at these venues today. Do the new stuff, fine, but don't act put upon when people want to hear the older (and by almost unanimous opinion superior) material. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:11:29 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: The Beacon performance Quoting j w : > > I have to add something that had me just a bit peeved Based on the reports of fan rudeness towards Mark, I can well imagine that Basia was showing her loyalty and friendship with Mark. It had to be embarassing to her to have her fans act in an unseemly manner. I don't understand your attitude at all. Maybe your attitude, like the rude fans, was irritating to everyone in the MB band. > with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning of > the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly > making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but > that they would be doing some of the "old" songs too. > By the way she said it and the way that she referred > to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like she > was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. > > There was a part of me that wanted to say, "Excuse me, > your solo catalog consists of three albums, less than > thirty songs. You could perform every solo song > you've ever recorded and still do a show that's > shorter than any number of pop artists who have a hell > of a lot more material. Pardon us for wanting to hear > some of that ancient material from your gargantuan > body of work. Oh, and maybe we'd like the new stuff > better if you didn't have a spastic elf with gravel > stuck in his throat getting more mic time than you." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: j w Subject: Re: The Beacon performance - --- Bill Roberts wrote: > Based on the reports of fan rudeness towards Mark, I > can well imagine that > Basia was showing her loyalty and friendship with > Mark. It had to be > embarassing to her to have her fans act in an > unseemly manner. I don't > understand your attitude at all. Maybe your > attitude, like the rude fans, was > irritating to everyone in the MB band. Given that I gave enthusiastic applause after every song, you couldn't be more wrong. Furthermore, the Cleveland audience probably didn't need to be told that this was a Matt Bianco first concert, as they also were enthusiastic about all of the material. If the desire to hear Basia's solo material is irritating the band, they need to grow up or wake up. I give them more credit than you; I think they are well aware of their place in the pecking order as far as the fans go. And what "rudeness" have we heard about towards Mark at the shows? I've certainly fired a snotty comment or ten his way, as have others, but on a listserv. I'm not the kind of person to boo unless someone gives an out and out negligent performance. Mark performed to the best of his ability, I knew what he offered going into the concert, and he delivered it. I had no right to be rude and wasn't, what's more, the lack of slavish delight aimed his way at other shows isn't being rude. Fans have no obligation to cheer someone they think sucks, and being frank, there's a lot of people who think he's mediocre or worse, and few think he doesn't suffer tremendously paired with a talent like Basia. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:38:40 -0500 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: Basia at the Beacon Theater This is the single-biggest piece of common sense I've heard on this list ever, perhaps. I politely disagree with regards to Peter White. I liked Caravan of Dreams, but after purchasing several other CD's of his(not sure if they were before or after Cof D), it all started soundig the same. I did a blind test on a lady at church. I made her a couple of CD-Rs to listen to: A Larry Carlton CD, A Peter White CD' and a Bernie Williams CD. She loves acoustic guitar music but had not heard of any of these folks(along with the majority of the US population). Without prompting, she said Carlton was outstanding and the other two passable, but she wouldn't spend money on the latter two. Although this is a very unscientific test, it does go to an average person's taste in Music, since she is pushing 50 and certainly in that age group that is attracted to the Basia types. I saw very few young people in the theatre in Minneapolis and I'm not sure what Basia/MB will to to draw in the next generation. Oopps, digressing from the topic. I thought TIm Cansfield did just fine. I was really hoping Basi would do Copernicus and the Stevie Wonder Tune that Aretha made famous. Third Time Lucky and Drunk on Love might've shown some warts, but that's life. I too wish her the best and hope for a Basia Reunion Tour with whatever band she chooses. DM&FS At 10:07 AM 4/15/2005, j w wrote: >I think Basia is going to have to make a hard >decision. There is little question in my mind that >had she done or ends up doing another solo album with >proper promotion, she won't be playing small venues >with a lot of empty seats. > >This isn't to say that she should abandon MB and do >what the fans demand; if what she's doing now is what >makes her happy and fulfilled as an artist and >performer, then that fine. > >I have a proposal. Drop the opening act and make MB >the opener. Do an hour of MB stuff, then do an hour >or 90 minutes of Basia solo. Everyone's happy, she >gets to keep performing with her old friends, they get >to attach themselves to her popularity, and the fans >get the music that they love rather than the >"semi-Basia" material that they are willing to settle >for. I can't fathom the MB members resenting this >unless they are delusional; the audience was there to >see her. > >--- Brucecigar@aol.com wrote: > > The real negative to the evening was the fact > > that, to my surprise, not > > only was the show not sold out, but I would have to > > guess that there had to > > be somewhere around 400 seats open in a venue that > > holds 2700. Basia even > > noted that when she thanked those of us"who came". > > Having been to the Basia on > > Broadway shows some 10 1/2 years ago, at the Neil > > Simon Theater, there wasn't > > an empty seat in the house, the band was so tight > > and there wasn't an MB to > > be found. Ah, those were the good old days. > > > > I, for one, will hope that Basia returns to her > > solo career ASAP, brings > > back Peter White and his guitar and continues making > > her music until I am > > old and gray. Come to think of it, I think I > > already have the gray part worked > > out. > > > > To all of those heading to the Westbury Music > > Fair tonite.....enjoy the > > show. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Make Yahoo! your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:15:21 EDT From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia at the Beacon Theater Knowing Basia as well as we all do, it would have been impossible for her not to have been hurt, or embarrassed or frustrated or perhaps even angered at any mistreatment of Mark. To say how much we love Basia and then expose her to such a display is simply not compatible, not possible. Had the good Detroit folk not been so "good" to him, I would have applauded myself, even if I were the only one. Not responding at all is incredibly rude, and speaks volumes about the individuals in the audience. (Personally, I think a public flogging is in order. :) Just my 2 cents. Phil P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:12:54 +0100 From: "49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Implosion Jeez, all this vitriol is just freaking me out. We have a real complicated situation here. Basia is much bigger in the USA. I admit that MB would have trouble filling a phone box on their own name only. In the UK (where I attended the first gig of the tour) it was about 50/50 in popularity. I would imagine that the MB name would be bigger in most of mainland Europe, Japan and Latin America. The writers of some of the just plain nasty comments toward Mark R should be boiled in oil for some of the putrid claptrap they came out with. The band that are playing at the moment would not vary greatly even if it was a "Basia" tour. As I have said in the past, I miss Peter White but he ain't available just now so let's move on. I am (believe it or not) a Basia fan first and foremost but cannot let this Redneck-like vilification of Mark and MB continue without comment. Please, folks, try to see the bigger picture. The world extends way beyond your backyard and we really do not need this infighting. 49ersphil ___________________________________________________________ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:26:42 -0500 From: "Amy T. O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Implosion THANK YOU!!!! And I live in the redheck smarta*s capital of the world, Houston, Tex-a*s. I'm an economic refugee. . . It's not nuclear physics, folks. Amy On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:12:54 +0100 "49ersphil" <49ersphil@tiscali.co.uk> writes: > > Jeez, all this vitriol is just freaking me out. > > We have a real complicated situation here. > Basia is much bigger in the USA. I admit that MB would have trouble > filling > a phone box on their own name only. > > In the UK (where I attended the first gig of the tour) it was about > 50/50 > in popularity. > > I would imagine that the MB name would be bigger in most of mainland > Europe, > Japan and Latin America. > > The writers of some of the just plain nasty comments toward Mark R > should > be boiled in oil for some of the putrid claptrap they came out with. > The > band that are playing at the moment would not vary greatly even if > it was > a "Basia" tour. As I have said in the past, I miss Peter White but > he ain't > available just now so let's move on. > > I am (believe it or not) a Basia fan first and foremost but cannot > let this > Redneck-like vilification of Mark and MB continue without comment. > > Please, folks, try to see the bigger picture. The world extends way > beyond > your backyard and we really do not need this infighting. > > > > > > 49ersphil > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. > Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ > Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:31:06 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Majewicz" Subject: Re: The Beacon performance In all fairness, this IS a "Matt Bianco featuring Basia" tour tied to promoting the new CD. I would expect the bulk of the performance to be new songs with some old sprinkled in. She would be foolish not to acknowledge that her solo career brought her great success, but this is 2005, not the early 90's, and she has moved on. Her new work is obviously the prime focus now. This reminds me of what happened to Rick Nelson in 1971 which caused him to write "Garden Party". The circumstances were different (he tried to perform new material at a revival show when everybody else was doing their old stuff), but the end result was the same. The audience wasn't overly enthusiastic. Who knows, maybe she'll write a song about this tour. Dennis (in Buffalo, wishing I were closer to a show venue - I'll miss her this time around) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Roberts" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: The Beacon performance > > Quoting j w : > > > > > I have to add something that had me just a bit peeved > Based on the reports of fan rudeness towards Mark, I can well imagine that > Basia was showing her loyalty and friendship with Mark. It had to be > embarassing to her to have her fans act in an unseemly manner. I don't > understand your attitude at all. Maybe your attitude, like the rude fans, was > irritating to everyone in the MB band. > > > > with Basia in Cleveland. She said at the beginning of > > the show that this was Matt Bianco, she was clearly > > making the point that it wasn't a "Basia" show, but > > that they would be doing some of the "old" songs too. > > By the way she said it and the way that she referred > > to them later, she acted just a *little* bit like she > > was irritated at having to do the "old" songs. > > > > There was a part of me that wanted to say, "Excuse me, > > your solo catalog consists of three albums, less than > > thirty songs. You could perform every solo song > > you've ever recorded and still do a show that's > > shorter than any number of pop artists who have a hell > > of a lot more material. Pardon us for wanting to hear > > some of that ancient material from your gargantuan > > body of work. Oh, and maybe we'd like the new stuff > > better if you didn't have a spastic elf with gravel > > stuck in his throat getting more mic time than you." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:59:15 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: The Beacon performance And for a while Rick produced some good albums of new material with his Stone Canyon Band. Sadly, by the time of his death he had given up and was playing strictly oldies (including Garden Party) at his concerts. Steve R. > > This reminds me of what happened to Rick Nelson in 1971 which caused him > to > write "Garden Party". The circumstances were different (he tried to > perform > new material at a revival show when everybody else was doing their old > stuff), but the end result was the same. The audience wasn't overly > enthusiastic. > > Who knows, maybe she'll write a song about this tour. > > Dennis > (in Buffalo, wishing I were closer to a show venue - I'll miss her this > time ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V10 #86 ***************************