From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V8 #189 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Saturday, November 29 2003 Volume 08 : Number 189 Today's Subjects: ----------------- off topic ["tom,kelly&jordan" ] CDs II [Lipman_Larry ] Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children [Bill Roberts ] Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children [dregsfan@bcpl.net] Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children [Bill Roberts ] Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children [Bill Roberts ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:45:54 -0600 From: "tom,kelly&jordan" Subject: off topic Hi, I do not know the company name but at the Consumer Electronic Show there will be an unveiling of laser based record player. Hmmm. No direct contact with the disc. how the hell??????? Tom > > >Happy Thanksgiving all! >CDs don't really "wear out" as vinyl did. However, there has been some >discussion of "laser rot" whereby the repeated "heat" of the laser might >deform the pits and lands which reflect the laser light and create the >pattern of "1s" and "0s" that are translated into audio. There has also >been some discussion of mold creeping into the "pancake" of layers in >discs not manufactured properly, though I haven't heard of either in a >long, long, long time. Discs made in a factory are fairly safe for >archival purposes, and I believe home-burn CDs should last 50 years if >handled properly. (NARAS and AES can accurately answer those questions >for sure.) What is likely happening is that the abrasion from sliding >the CD across the jewel case/player load edge/etc is causing damage. >I've also had some home-burn CDs rendered into coasters because the >"business" ("silver") layer stuck to the inside of a non-tyvek sleeve. > LL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:36:07 -0600 From: Lipman_Larry Subject: CDs II It could be several things. CDs "read" from the inside out, so the fact that you are having difficulty with track one indicates there is either a positioning/tracking problem, or there is some damage to/difficulty in reading the directory information. There could also be a transport problem. Finally, the extended repeat play could have exposed the disk to heat from the player for so long that the disc has warped or expanded slightly. You might try cleaning the disk. Take care to use a very soft cloth and dry radially from the inside to the outside edge. Try to avoid running the cloth in a circular motion around the disk. The reason is that there is some error correction built into the data stream on the disk and also player electronics of the drive. If there is a small section (spot) of damaged data, the player can interpolate (guess) the missing data. If you create a long scratch in a circular arc, there is too much data loss and the machine has no choice but to mute. You might try making a copy on your computer and see if the problem disappears. LL At 12:15 AM 11/28/2003, you wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:12:11 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: CDs Good info - thanks! What my one cd is doing strangely I attribute to overuse (because sometimes when my cats are all falling asleep to it I hate to let the music stop and wake them up) from setting my cd player to infinite "Repeat" of the entire cd. It did not do this before it had been played about a half-billion times, give or take. It doesn't act this way every single time, but nearly every time I play this particular cd. I have only had this happen to me once before in my life, years ago, on an entirely different cd player, with a different cd, and it began happening after similar overuse of the cd; it doesn't seem to matter if the machine is cold or warmed up, and it begins only doing this rarely as I continue playing the cd. After a few more whiles of playing the cd (days or weeks or months, no pattern that I can tell yet) it works up to doing it every single time I play the cd. Here's what happens: when I turn the player on and press the "play" button (or if the player is already on I just press the "play" button), it will act like it's going to begin playing, go thru the motions of displaying the entire length of the cd in hrs/mins/seconds, reset itself to "0" as it it were preparing to begin measuring the length of the first track as it plays - then nothing happens. It just sits there and grins at me. It only does that on the very first track, so if I f-fwd it to the 2nd or 3rd track it starts right up; if I have it switch and play any other disc it has no problems with that either. The discs do not reveal any physical damage to the naked eye, and these are discs that spend their entire lives in one slot inside a changer, not being removed and reloaded, removed and reloaded etc. I purchased the first disc thru a cd club (BMG, I think) so I doubt it's an illegal knockoff; the second I purchased new thru cdnow and both played flawlessly until after many jillions of plays. Rather odd, si? /jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:19:29 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children As a musician, I have to put my two cents in on the Carpenters, albeit rather late. Richard is a great keyboard player and a masterful arranger. Karen was pretty good on the drums as well as having a better than average voice, and she knew how to sing with real feeling. Yes, their music could be too pop, but they still sound good today. They put on a good concert as well. Later in their career, they got a really good guitar player whose name escapes me at the moment. Bill R. - yeah that one Quoting "Paul S. Fish" : > > I have to chime in on this one. The Carpenters were one of the greatest pop > acts of all time. If you look past the vanilla frosting what you get is some > very beautiful - and very sad - songs. Karen's voice was so pure that it > could quite simply break your heart when you really listen to songs like > "Close To You", "Rainy Days And Mondays" and - especially - "Bless The > Beasts And Children", > > Wouldn't Basia do a PHENOMANAL version of that? > > Paul > > ---- > > "I'd sell my best friend for some water / Cut off my leg for some shade / > Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade." > > - Utopia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: dregsfan@bcpl.net Subject: Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children Could that be Tony Peluso? Joe in Baltimore On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Bill Roberts wrote: > > As a musician, I have to put my two cents in on the Carpenters, albeit rather > late. Richard is a great keyboard player and a masterful arranger. Karen was > pretty good on the drums as well as having a better than average voice, and she > knew how to sing with real feeling. Yes, their music could be too pop, but > they still sound good today. They put on a good concert as well. Later in > their career, they got a really good guitar player whose name escapes me at the > moment. > > Bill R. - yeah that one > > > Quoting "Paul S. Fish" : > > > > > I have to chime in on this one. The Carpenters were one of the greatest pop > > acts of all time. If you look past the vanilla frosting what you get is some > > very beautiful - and very sad - songs. Karen's voice was so pure that it > > could quite simply break your heart when you really listen to songs like > > "Close To You", "Rainy Days And Mondays" and - especially - "Bless The > > Beasts And Children", > > > > Wouldn't Basia do a PHENOMANAL version of that? > > > > Paul > > > > ---- > > > > "I'd sell my best friend for some water / Cut off my leg for some shade / > > Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade." > > > > - Utopia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:01:01 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children I think you are right. Quoting "" : > > Could that be Tony Peluso? > > Joe in Baltimore > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > As a musician, I have to put my two cents in on the Carpenters, albeit > rather > > late. Richard is a great keyboard player and a masterful arranger. Karen > was > > pretty good on the drums as well as having a better than average voice, and > she > > knew how to sing with real feeling. Yes, their music could be too pop, > but > > they still sound good today. They put on a good concert as well. Later > in > > their career, they got a really good guitar player whose name escapes me at > the > > moment. > > > > Bill R. - yeah that one > > > > > > Quoting "Paul S. Fish" : > > > > > > > > I have to chime in on this one. The Carpenters were one of the greatest > pop > > > acts of all time. If you look past the vanilla frosting what you get is > some > > > very beautiful - and very sad - songs. Karen's voice was so pure that it > > > could quite simply break your heart when you really listen to songs like > > > "Close To You", "Rainy Days And Mondays" and - especially - "Bless The > > > Beasts And Children", > > > > > > Wouldn't Basia do a PHENOMANAL version of that? > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > "I'd sell my best friend for some water / Cut off my leg for some shade > / > > > Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade." > > > > > > - Utopia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:01:01 -0500 From: Bill Roberts Subject: Re: Basia, The Beasts And Children I think you are right. Quoting "" : > > Could that be Tony Peluso? > > Joe in Baltimore > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Bill Roberts wrote: > > > > > As a musician, I have to put my two cents in on the Carpenters, albeit > rather > > late. Richard is a great keyboard player and a masterful arranger. Karen > was > > pretty good on the drums as well as having a better than average voice, and > she > > knew how to sing with real feeling. Yes, their music could be too pop, > but > > they still sound good today. They put on a good concert as well. Later > in > > their career, they got a really good guitar player whose name escapes me at > the > > moment. > > > > Bill R. - yeah that one > > > > > > Quoting "Paul S. Fish" : > > > > > > > > I have to chime in on this one. The Carpenters were one of the greatest > pop > > > acts of all time. If you look past the vanilla frosting what you get is > some > > > very beautiful - and very sad - songs. Karen's voice was so pure that it > > > could quite simply break your heart when you really listen to songs like > > > "Close To You", "Rainy Days And Mondays" and - especially - "Bless The > > > Beasts And Children", > > > > > > Wouldn't Basia do a PHENOMANAL version of that? > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > "I'd sell my best friend for some water / Cut off my leg for some shade > / > > > Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade." > > > > > > - Utopia ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V8 #189 ***************************