From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V8 #178 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, November 13 2003 Volume 08 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fw: Knocking Basia's door! ["Desianto F. W." ] Re: Ever listened to Julia Fordham? ["Desianto F. W." ] Krysia's comment [Time Voyagers ] Re: Celine Dion [PParm16424@aol.com] a group of mediocre singers ["Barry" ] More on Celine ["JC" ] Celine [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Celine [Bill Couillard - Parallel Open Systems ] Re: Celine [Leslie Osborn ] Re: Celine ["Desianto F. W." ] Anyone Compared to Basia ... ["JC" ] Re: Anyone Compared to Basia ... [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Anyone Compared to Basia ... ["Barry" ] (PS) Anyone Compared to Basia ... ["JC" ] Re: (PS) Anyone Compared to Basia ... ["Barry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Desianto F. W." Subject: Re: Fw: Knocking Basia's door! - --- David Higginson wrote: > > If she does......then my name is Dave Higginson! > > :) > > Dave. > ================== Not Super Dave?....:-) Or, was it not you who used the name Super Dave on the list some months ago? Desianto F. W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: oDILoN JoSE LUCIANo Subject: Ever listened to Julia Fordham? Dear all, This was quite a thought that popped-up in mind when Desianto spoke about honesty in music. So far, as far as favorites are concerned, Julia is tops! >>with Basia belonging to my Top 5, alongside Swing Out Sister, EBTG (pre-techno), Workshy and a tie between Incognito and Sade. British singer-songwriter Julia Fordham once spoke of how she was able to sustain her career even with a low profile. She emphasized that she focused on her MUSIC first, more than the 'career' to speak of. Feeling the Chill in the Gulf, o.D. p.s. As for Celine Dion, last I heard she's spearheading a new movement in the music industry with a slogan that goes, "Why sing when you can shout!" LOL LOL LOLz! Keep well. ===== http://www.juliafordham.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Desianto F. W." Subject: Re: Ever listened to Julia Fordham? - --- oDILoN JoSE LUCIANo wrote: > > p.s. > As for Celine Dion, last I heard she's spearheading > a > new movement in the music industry with a slogan > that > goes, "Why sing when you can shout!" LOL LOL LOLz! > > Keep well. > > ====================== My goodness! How can she be called as a singer if she doesn't deserve to be called as a singer, esp. with her latest slogan? Just curious (and say my opinion). Is it true that Celine married to the owner of Sony Records (or at least one of the men at the top of Sony)? If yes, maybe it has a relation with the case why Sony ignores Basia (because, IMHO, Celine is like Basia wanna be - but fails: her ballad music style, latest hair style, album title, etc.). I hope, I'm wrong. Sorry for saying this. But I can't find honesty in her. Desianto F. W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: Time Voyagers Subject: Re: Looking at this mail group Basia, that's Fred Lauver, L-a-u-v-e-r. I'm the one who sent you the letter and the poem written for you during the summer. Hope it lifted your spirits. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Desianto F. W." Subject: Re: Fw: Knocking Basia's door! - - --- Steve Richardson wrote: > > I used to hope Basia would look in on this list to > see how much we missed > her and loved her music...now I hope she doesn't, > she'd be convinced we're > all a bunch of psychos. > > Steve R. > ======================= Or maybe she has already done it. Don't be surprised if someday she would write a song entitled "Mail Digest" or put our names in the credit title...:-D Desianto F. W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Time Voyagers Subject: Krysia's comment Hi, Krysia, If you ever succeed in saying hello to Basia, please give extend the affection on behalf of this group. The question remains, however, if indeed Basia is residing in Jawarzno, or if she is still living near London. Are you also a fan of Natalia Kukulska. I found her when I was browsing the Polish music scene on the Internet (http://nataliakukulska.pl/index). I cannot read or write Polish, but there are some good videos on her Web site. Fred Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:30:27 +0000 From: "K. S." Subject: Re: Knocking Basia's door! well, about knocking to Basia's door in Jaworzno, maybe I go there one day, the thing is that I have no idea where in Jaworzno I should search for her:-) It is not so small. Sory for a small dely in replying but I had few day time out - there was a long weekend in Poland Greetings Krysia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:42:30 EST From: PParm16424@aol.com Subject: Re: Celine Dion Yeah, I used to find Celine to be very honest, down-to-earth, but since she has gone "Las Vegas", that kind of ruins it for me. :( Phil (2) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:50:22 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: a group of mediocre singers > Just curious (and say my opinion). Is it true that > Celine married to the owner of Sony Records (or at > least one of the men at the top of Sony)? She married her manager. As far as I know he doesn't work for Sony, but being a manager of performing artists he may have connections at Sony. If he does, or if they've said they'll leave if Sony signs Basia, Sony would listen. As bad as Celine is, she sells a lot of CDs. Mariah Carey married Sony Music CEO Tommy Mottola, but they're divorced now. He's a big reason she became so popular. She's another Celine, but she took her career a little more in the direction of Madonna's instead of Celine's. Mariah is not as trashy as Madonna, but she's not as sweet and innocent as she was when she started. None of them are good. Mariah had a handful of good songs too, like Madonna. But like Madonna most of them were at the start of her career. I don't know if Celine has any idea who Basia is, or if she cares. Celine considers herself a superstar, above most other singers. Somehow I doubt she'd care about Basia, unless she REALLY thinks Basia is a threat to her career. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:08:14 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: More on Celine Celine Dion is married to her first and only (to my knowledge) husband, Rene Angelil, a Canadian manager/promoter for whom she first sang when she was 12 (in 1981). Angelil was so impressed he took her on as a client immediately, and eventually even mortgaged his house for funds to promote her career. As the story goes, Celine (born 1968) is the youngest of 14 children in a musically inclined family. Her "Maman" took her to sing for Angelil in 1981 after he listened to her first demo tape, and Angelil agreed to be her manager. Singer and manager developed a "secret love" over the following years, revealed their feelings for one another in 1988 and began their secret affair. Celine made their relationship public in 1993 and they were married in 1994. There is an age difference of 24 years, in case anyone is curious. Their son Rene~Charles was born in January of 2001. He is to be taught French as a first language; the couple are both proud of their French-Canadian heritage. I do not believe Angelil has ever been an executive of Sony. Dion inked a recording deal with Sony after she learned English in the late '80s and released her U.S. debut album thru Sony in 1990. Celine Dion has said that her favorite singers were [male] Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder, and [female] Barbra Streisand and Ginette Reno. Dion has also said in the past that from the age of 12 she decided the most important thing in life was her career, and that she would do anything to succeed. I do not think she writes (She now amends that to say her love for Angelil and family are first and foremost: luckily for her the two are so intertwined that she does not have to choose.) There: is that not more information than anyone wanted to know? In my opinion, any similarities that exist between Dion and Basia might be in their beginnings, both coming from humble, non-celebrity families. Have a great day, all! /jan ----Original Message ---- My goodness! How can she be called as a singer if she doesn't deserve to be called as a singer, esp. with her latest slogan? Just curious (and say my opinion). Is it true that Celine married to the owner of Sony Records (or at least one of the men at the top of Sony)? If yes, maybe it has a relation with the case why Sony ignores Basia (because, IMHO, Celine is like Basia wanna be - but fails: her ballad music style, latest hair style, album title, etc.). I hope, I'm wrong. Sorry for saying this. But I can't find honesty in her. Desianto F. W. __________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:22:52 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Celine Celine Dion has a great voice. She can really sing. Unfortunately, she has succomed to the theory that it's all about vocal power, so her music sounds more and more alike. I thought her 2nd CD was excellent, showing a ton of talent. I think she's also gotten to the point that anything Celine does is good because, why because Celine did it! She could have ANY song by ANY writer she wants, but her choices in songs are uninspired. Doing Vegas and Chrysler ads cheapens her, IMHO. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:00:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Couillard - Parallel Open Systems Subject: Re: Celine Hi Jim, Gee, I thought exactly the same as you. I loved her 2nd CD - even some great, powerful rockers on that one. I never heard anything after that that I liked as much. Also, right after that she did an appearance on Jay Leno. So, she does her song and then goes over to his desk. She had on a micro-mini and she bends over his desk - back to the audience - and proceeds to French him for about twenty seconds, exposing her (mostly uncovered) rear end to national TV and pretty much grossing out Jay. He was speechless and obviously disgusted. It was such a low class display that I was never interested in her again. When one of my favorite Cyndi Lauper songs ended up in a Chrysler commercial, she once again proved what a sellout and low class act she is. I have a hard time separating artists music and their personalities. Her's is cheap. I guess that's a big reason why Basia is so compelling. -- Bill P.S. BTW, am I the only one who thinks the Anastacia/Cyndi Lauper Dr. Pepper commercial is a great ad? >X-Authentication-Warning: smoe.org: majordom set sender to owner-basia@smoe.org using -f >From: JPovlock@aol.com >Subject: Celine >To: basia@smoe.org >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on jane.smoe.org >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 >X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 >X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. > > >Celine Dion has a great voice. She can really sing. Unfortunately, she has >succomed to the theory that it's all about vocal power, so her music sounds more >and more alike. I thought her 2nd CD was excellent, showing a ton of talent. > >I think she's also gotten to the point that anything Celine does is good >because, why because Celine did it! She could have ANY song by ANY writer she >wants, but her choices in songs are uninspired. Doing Vegas and Chrysler ads >cheapens her, IMHO. > >Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:52:49 -0600 From: Max Wellhouse Subject: Re: Celine ....not to mention Callaway golf club ads!!! DM&FS At 11:22 AM 11/12/2003, JPovlock@aol.com wrote: >Celine Dion has a great voice. She can really sing. Unfortunately, she has >succomed to the theory that it's all about vocal power, so her music >sounds more >and more alike. I thought her 2nd CD was excellent, showing a ton of talent. > >I think she's also gotten to the point that anything Celine does is good >because, why because Celine did it! She could have ANY song by ANY writer she >wants, but her choices in songs are uninspired. Doing Vegas and Chrysler ads >cheapens her, IMHO. > >Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: Celine > ....not to mention Callaway golf club ads!!! And they are the creepiest, most bizzare thing I've seen in a while. The golf wear makes her look much older-- it makes no sense at all. - --Leslie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Desianto F. W." Subject: Re: Celine Hello all, Thanks for the info about Celine. Honestly, I was a little bit 'scared' about the worst case scenario that I wrote because I, honestly, don't know much about her, except her birthdate (March 30, 1968). In addition, my friend that I told you before insisted so hard that Brave New Hope is Celine's before I gave him the proof, so, it led me to a false opinion that, maybe, Celine is Basia wanna be. Like I said before, I agree that some earlier songs of Celine are good/great, but I don't think so with the later albums. Maybe it's because I have different ears.... Thanks again, all..... Desianto F. W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:29:44 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Anyone Compared to Basia ... Somehow I get the feeling that we could compare any number of singers/artists to Basia and they would all ultimately come up short. That is, after all, why we love Basia so much - there is not just one thing about her, nor just one aspect of her music, and certainly not only one or two tunes she has produced that makes her superior. It is the entire package: she is, by all accounts, such a lovely person, and without a doubt, her musicianship is beyond compare in any way you can think of. Can you think of any other singer who is even capable of recording her own backup lyrics, much less doing it better than any studio backup singers could do? Please, please, Lady B, put us out of our musicless misery. We are truly in the direst of straits. /jan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Desianto F. W. To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Celine Hello all, Thanks for the info about Celine. Honestly, I was a little bit 'scared' about the worst case scenario that I wrote because I, honestly, don't know much about her, except her birthdate (March 30, 1968). In addition, my friend that I told you before insisted so hard that Brave New Hope is Celine's before I gave him the proof, so, it led me to a false opinion that, maybe, Celine is Basia wanna be. Like I said before, I agree that some earlier songs of Celine are good/great, but I don't think so with the later albums. Maybe it's because I have different ears.... Thanks again, all..... Desianto F. W. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:44:17 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Anyone Compared to Basia ... Karen Carpenter did all her backing vocals, and while brother Richard was the brains there, she was the talent. She was one of the greats - still very underrated, IMHO. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:46:33 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: Anyone Compared to Basia ... Although they have very different styles, Enya is another singer that (I think) can compare to Basia. Partially because their styles are so distinct and different. But Enya is another woman with an amazing voice and undeniable talent. She has produced multiple hits, and she is very capable of recording her own backup lyrics. I only bring her up because she is another of a very select few who are phenomenal artists. I also say there's no real comparison because their styles are so different. It would be like comparing chocolate chip ice cream to pistachio ice cream. Both are very good, but they don't compete against each other. Loreena McKennitt is another very talented artist. Her style is closer to Enya, but she's a bit different too. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:58:47 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: (PS) Anyone Compared to Basia ... OK, to clarify - that was not a challenge for each of us to come up with any one person who we like in addition to Basia. I, personally, would have neither the desire nor the appreciation to belong to a list for either Enya (who I know nothing about and have never been curious enough to ask) or KC (whose voice, please forgive me, has always made me feel drown't in cherry cough syrup and whose songs, while sweet, were easily tired of even when I was 6; and whose personality was reportedly so strict and stringent that even she could not get along with herself at times.) It was a simple statement of why most of us belong to this list, that being an amazing appreciation of All Things Basia. Nothing more and nothing less. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems like a simple enough statement to me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: JC To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Anyone Compared to Basia ... Somehow I get the feeling that we could compare any number of singers/artists to Basia and they would all ultimately come up short. That is, after all, why we love Basia so much - there is not just one thing about her, nor just one aspect of her music, and certainly not only one or two tunes she has produced that makes her superior. It is the entire package: she is, by all accounts, such a lovely person, and without a doubt, her musicianship is beyond compare in any way you can think of. Can you think of any other singer who is even capable of recording her own backup lyrics, much less doing it better than any studio backup singers could do? Please, please, Lady B, put us out of our musicless misery. We are truly in the direst of straits. /jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:13:00 -0600 From: "Barry" Subject: Re: (PS) Anyone Compared to Basia ... I didn't see your initial statement as a challenge. It just made me think about anyone out there who could compare to Basia on any level. I decided to post my thoughts. I'm also not saying that everyone on this list should also like Enya, Loreena McKennitt, or Karen Carpenter. I was just giving my opinions. Take them for what they're worth. Barry ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V8 #178 ***************************