From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V8 #73 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, June 22 2003 Volume 08 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: one guitarist vs. another ["Alan Mann" ] RE: one guitarist vs. another ["Alan Mann" ] Re: one guitarist vs. another [John Flood ] Re: one guitarist vs. another ["Dennis J. Majewicz" ] Larry Carlton CD's [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: PW vs. Larry Carlton [Leslie Osborn ] Larry Carlton albums ["Steve Richardson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:29:15 +0100 From: "Alan Mann" Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another Take a look at this link I just found on Santana's brother http://www.american-entertainment.net/artists/santana/bio.htm Alan Mann - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dregsfan@bcpl.net Sent: 21 June 2003 21:59 To: basia@smoe.org Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another Hey Alan, I was just sorta giving a randome example of great guitarists according to birth order position in the families they grew up in. Yeah, Carlos Santana would be a good one to include, but I don't know his birth order. :( Do you? Joe On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Alan Mann wrote: > > Given that Basia's music has a Latin American influence, How does the group > feel about Santana's > contribution. Is he not worthy of inclusion in a listing of guitar greats? > > Alan Mann kkk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:42:48 +0100 From: "Alan Mann" Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another Woooo!!!!! Check this out. http://www.jorgesantana.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Alan Mann Sent: 21 June 2003 23:29 To: basia@smoe.org Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another Take a look at this link I just found on Santana's brother http://www.american-entertainment.net/artists/santana/bio.htm Alan Mann - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dregsfan@bcpl.net Sent: 21 June 2003 21:59 To: basia@smoe.org Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another Hey Alan, I was just sorta giving a randome example of great guitarists according to birth order position in the families they grew up in. Yeah, Carlos Santana would be a good one to include, but I don't know his birth order. :( Do you? Joe On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Alan Mann wrote: > > Given that Basia's music has a Latin American influence, How does the group > feel about Santana's > contribution. Is he not worthy of inclusion in a listing of guitar greats? > > Alan Mann kkk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:01:34 -0400 From: John Flood Subject: Re: one guitarist vs. another Since we are throwing out names and he cut a CD with Chet Atkins, I'd like to toss Mark Knopfler into the mix. (He of 'Dire Straiits') John Dennis J. Majewicz wrote: >Finally some balanced views from Bob and Thelma. Thank you. > >This is entirely a subjective judgement process. While I really like Larry >Carlton, (I have many of his recordings) there are others equally talented >today and in the past. Different styles, certainly, but talented >nonetheless. > >We tend to think in the here and now, so consider some of his >contemporaries. I think one of the absolute best is Lee Ritenour: prolific >composer, is at home with many styles of music and has been a top artist for >many years. > >I'm not a huge fan of Peter White, but you can't deny his popularity. He's >been riding the crest of the smooth jazz wave for a long time. He's >obviously good at what he does, even if it is a niche market. > >In the same vein, Earl Klugh has a wonderful touch with the acoustic guitar. > >There are dozens of marvelous session players who may never get a chance at >the limelight, though some who have emerged into solo careers are starting >to take hold. I'm thinkng of Paul Jackson, Jr., Norman Brown, or Doc Powell, >and the like. > >Let's go back in time now. How can we not consider the late Chet Atkins? >Possibly the best of all time (not that I liked country music, but he did >all kinds of work), and I suspect that if you asked Larry, he would say that >he was inspired and influenced by Chet. > >Someone mentioned Jimi Hendrix. Most of you are too young to know what an >impact he had on rock in the 60's. Sadly, he died too young for us to know >where he might have taken his talent. > >Speaking of dying before his time, we have to acknowledge Wes Montgomery. A >masterful guitarist who changed the direction of jazz in the 60's. He gets >my vote as one of the best of all time. > >Going back even further into ancient history, how many are familiar with >Django Reinhardt? He was a jazz pioneer who gave the genre direction in the >20's and later. He was an amazing man given that he could really only use >two fingers on is left hand due to an accident. The instruments were crude >in those days, compared to modern guitars, but his talent surely came >through on those old recordings! > >The bottom line is: I don't know how anyone can choose a "best" guitarist. >It's what ultimately appeals to you. Thankfully there are so many styles to >choose from, that it's enjoyable to give them all a listen. > >By the way, just to keep some Basia content here, a lot of her music is >being played on Sirius Satellite Radio, though it's all pre TSI. They happen >to play a lot of Matt Bianco, too. I wrote to one of the stream architects >suggesting they add "Half A Minute" by MB to their playlist. (Dare I say >it's the BEST version? Naww, it's my personal favorite version, though.) He >said they wold look for it, but as yet I haven't heard it. > >Best to all on the list, > >Dennis >(never had a Roach problem, so he's still OK in my book) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Rumsby" >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:03 AM >Subject: Re: one guitarist vs. another > > >>At 04:41 PM 6/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>Again I don't want to berate Peter White as I like him, but comparing him >>>to Larry Carlton is like comparing Kenny Gee to Coltrane >>> >>>dm&fs >>> >> >>There are various saying that cover this subject and they include; >> >>Different strokes for different folks. >> >>Opinions are like noses. Everybody has one >> >>bfn >>BobR >>Hawthorne, NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:05:17 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Majewicz" Subject: Re: one guitarist vs. another Hi Phil. Yeah, you're right about Baxter. I only got interested in SD when I heard Aja. Then I backtracked to hear the rest of their catalog. My chronology is a bit off kilter. (I can't blame it on crack, though :) Ricky Skaggs - I forgot about him. A helluva player. And really versatile, too. I enjoyed his work on Manhattan Transfer's Swing album. Your old pal, Dennis - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: RE: one guitarist vs. another > > Whoa there, Dennis, old pal. SD's distinctive guitar had to have been Jeff > "Skunk" Baxter. Baxter goes 'way back to the original Nitty Gritty Dirt > Band lineup, when it was more a jug band than re-invented country. Larry > Carlton didn't show up until AJA, as far as I know, but, there is no > question Carlton lent his authority to Fagen's post-SD masterpiece 'The > Nightfly' (every song of which a mini-masterpiece, especially, in my > opinion, perhaps because of Carlton, The Goodbye Look). Baxter was, with > Denny Dias, SD's string section. > > Here are a few of my guitar heroes: > > Stephen Stills > Neil Young > Steve Miller > Vince Gill > James Taylor > Rusty Young (Poco) > Tom Jobim > Joni Mitchell > John Fahey > Jim Messina (Buffalo Springfield, Poco, Loggins & Messina) > Gontiti (the Japanese acoustic duo) > Ricky Skaggs > & every other Nashville picker > > The two occasions I saw Peter with Basia impressed me with his versatility, > super-competence, as well as stage presence. I think his licks in Drunk on > Love are masterful, and that is on an electric. A thought: Carlton I think > is considered a studio guy, while Peter is considered a performer. Would > this have any bearing having them onstage together? It would be a great > show, regardless. > > Phil > > > > Hey, no insult intended. Just offering my opinion which apparently > > doesn't coincide with yours. That's what makes life interesting. > > "Balanced" referred to an opposing point of view - probably an > > unfortunate choice of words. I apologize for that. > > > > And just so you know, I really do like Larry Carlton. I certainly > > wouldn't go near a desert island without my Steely Dan recordings. (I > > believe he helped establish their distinctive sound...) But if I own > > more CD's by Chuck Loeb or Jeff Golub than I do by Larry, it's because > > I know what appeals to me, which I guess is the bottom line for anyone > > who goes into a store looking for a CD. > > > > For the record, I have never touched a guitar. Never took a music > > lesson in my life. I just know what I like to hear. > > > > Dennis > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:38:40 -0700 From: William Schnaitter Subject: Re: Guitarist analogies Ok, so which Larry Carlton CD should I try first? I love Hendrix, Anastasio, Hiromi (not a guitarist, an unbelievable jazz pianist), Bloomfield, some Eric Johnson and not others, Petrucci. Thanks, - -Bill Schnaitter Stephen Ylvisaker wrote: > Interestingly enough, Jimi Hendrix also learned from surf guitarist Dick > Dale, "king of the surf guitar." For those that remember the Frankie Avalon > and Annette Funicello Beach Party movies Dick Dale and his Deltones was the > band in those movies. Anyway, Jimi Hendrix would go to Dick's shows to watch > and listen and learn. Jimi was smart enough to understand he could learn > from many people. > > Stephen > > On 6/21/03 4:25 AM, "Paxety Pages" wrote: > > > > > And Jimi learned a tremendous amount of his playing from a guitarist I knew > > slightly by the name of Johnny Jenkins. Johnny played in Otis Redding's > > original backup band, The Pinetoppers. Johnny was from Macon, Georgia, as was > > Otis. Jimi played in Otis' band for a while, but I'm not sure they were still > > called The Pinetoppers then. Johnny tried to have a solo career some five or > > six years before Jimi became famous, but I don't think the world was ready for > > such a thing yet. His recordings went nowhere, and I'm not sure what happened > > to him. > > un abrazo, > > juan > > > > -- > Stephen Ylvisaker > greyfell@gns2000.com > "Never do business with pets you don't trust." Robert Kiyosaki, author > of RICH DAD, POOR DAD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:52:32 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Larry Carlton CD's Larry's first CD, self-titled, would be a great start. He plays some really hot licks next to very catchable melodies. His sound on that CD, which is very electric, but without the distortion that most rock bands use, is perhaps my favorite electric guitar sound. The next choice for you is Alone/But Never Alone. It's his first acoustic album, extremely well-done. Larry going acoustic was like Led Zep going acoustic - a shock, but pretty damn good. He also played all the guitar on Donald Fagen's The Nightfly, clean jazz. Finally, for the hard core fans, he did a live CD a couple years ago from a tour of Japan with Steve Lukather (Toto) that is really hot. Enjoy! Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Osborn Subject: Re: PW vs. Larry Carlton > People may not always agree on who is best, but > labeling one musician as > better than another is not always necessarily a bad > thing. Totally. Often with a discussion of this nature there will be said, "Oh, to each their own!" and "Different strokes for different folks!" and other such platitudes--which are fine for soothing the irritation of strong words, I suppose-- but debates like this keep our musical ears sharp and our critic's ears attuned. Thanks for a great post. Actually, thanks all around for a fantastic discussion--I am learning a TON from it. - --Leslie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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