From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V7 #37 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 07 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Join our club, do you believe in magic? ["Navaira" ] Re: Join our club, do you believe in magic? ["Star Eyes" ] RE: musical talents vs. techno polished looks ["Steve O'Hearn" ] off topic, Karrin Allison ["tom,kelly&jordan" ] Re: off topic, Karrin Allison [Stephen Ylvisaker ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:19:05 +0100 From: "Navaira" Subject: Join our club, do you believe in magic? Hi, > > I've just got three words to answer for that: Ray of Light. > What do you mean, "Ray of Light", more like a "shaft of light". This song is What do I mean, "Ray of Light"? The second most beautiful album of 1998, I guess. > a studio production that required few,(if any), musicians to make. This is I could list the musicians who worked over this album but it's obvious you're not interested because... > I myself am a > REAL musician. Well, let's only say I record electronic music too and also happen to think of myself as a REAL musician. As millions of people wiser than me said, "it's not what you have, it's what you do with it that makes you good" (that rule apparently embodies more than only music ;) -- and if the beauty of melody is, for you, less important than "moving things around and adjusting microphone distances, dampening cymbals, etc." -- I'm sorry for you. Leslie said: > > When you work with computers and electronics, you > > can correct any flaw. > > Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; > > all corrected with the > > turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the > > screen. > And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the > musicians out there in the world, for that > matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this > technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) Thank you *bowing gracefully* > >> It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts > >> because of as much as > >> one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge > >> if someone's good if > >> they only released one single and one album? > Case in point: If memory serves, "Paperback Writer" was the first Beatles single > not to get to #1. Their career was far from over though, wasn't it? I think the ex-Spice Girl, Melanie B has lost her contract after a #9 single in the UK. Apparently top 10 wasn't good enough. (And no, I'm not saying she's the biggest artist in the world...) Jeff Abrams said: > How often do you think Basia makes it to Muzak? PLENTY! > That is where the REAL money is. > She will be fat on residuals for the rest of her life. *surprised* Really? In Poland one doesn't get money for being played on muzak... apparently the judges decided that "music doesn't make people buy more stuff" and so artists are not entitled to any royalties and would be greedy if they demanded them. :/ [ > Ray ] [ I'll stand in front of you | take the force of the blows | protection ] [ www.navaira.prv.pl ] - -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:20:53 -0800 From: "Star Eyes" Subject: Beer If you're ever out in No. Cal , email me ahead of time. I know the best Breweries in the area. ED - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 07:33 PM Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > > When REAL musicians perform live, they don't use BACKUP TRACKS and LIP SYNC. > > ED - You are the man!!! REAL musicians are what life is all about. We gotta > have a beer someday......... > > Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:04:31 -0800 From: "Star Eyes" Subject: Re: Join our club, do you believe in magic? Heartfelt, ...Emotional...... Good. I didn't mean to set you off so much. I just do not look at programming music as true Musicianship. I review Ray of light, and know that a few musicians worked on it. Truly, only 3, and of which two of them are involved in programming more so than truly playing the music. As I stated previously, I do like some Electronica/Techno(trance and ambient) more than I would let on to my guitar and bass player. My PC Jukebox is full of it. I just don't like Madonna's methods used to overcome a lack of REAL talent. I also don't understand why the simpler the music, the more it sells ( in America at least). My music Prof. told me that true culture and art has been left by the wayside in education. Only if the youngsters are truly interested do they take time to truly learn of the construction of the music, the artistry behind it and its beginnings. If it's complex and intricate, the general public doesn't listen, (I guess it uses too much of their mental resources during the time they do). I guess what I'm saying is that I believe Basia is a much more talented individual than Madonna. I think its a shame that Pop Culture has put aside the real talent for this mind numbing sound-alike product. I listen to jazz to avoid this. Almost everything in jazz is rooted in the fundamentals of music and requires learned musicians to play it. That's how I found Basia's music. Its just sad that I may never see her Live.... Until then, I'll settle for the next jazz konzertte I will attend, Keiko Matsui, April 4th at Harlows' in Sacramento. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Navaira" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Join our club, do you believe in magic? > > Hi, > > > > I've just got three words to answer for that: Ray of Light. > > What do you mean, "Ray of Light", more like a "shaft of light". This song > is > What do I mean, "Ray of Light"? The second most beautiful album of 1998, I > guess. > > > a studio production that required few,(if any), musicians to make. This is > I could list the musicians who worked over this album but it's obvious > you're not interested because... > > > I myself am a > > REAL musician. > Well, let's only say I record electronic music too and also happen to think > of myself as a REAL musician. As millions of people wiser than me said, > "it's not what you have, it's what you do with it that makes you good" (that > rule apparently embodies more than only music ;) -- and if the beauty of > melody is, for you, less important than "moving things around and adjusting > microphone distances, dampening cymbals, etc." -- I'm sorry for you. > > Leslie said: > > > > When you work with computers and electronics, you > > > can correct any flaw. > > > Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; > > > all corrected with the > > > turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the > > > screen. > > And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the > > musicians out there in the world, for that > > matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this > > technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) > Thank you *bowing gracefully* > > > >> It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts > > >> because of as much as > > >> one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge > > >> if someone's good if > > >> they only released one single and one album? > > Case in point: If memory serves, "Paperback Writer" was the first Beatles > single > > not to get to #1. Their career was far from over though, wasn't it? > I think the ex-Spice Girl, Melanie B has lost her contract after a #9 single > in the UK. Apparently top 10 wasn't good enough. (And no, I'm not saying > she's the biggest artist in the world...) > > Jeff Abrams said: > > > How often do you think Basia makes it to Muzak? PLENTY! > > That is where the REAL money is. > > She will be fat on residuals for the rest of her life. > *surprised* Really? In Poland one doesn't get money for being played on > muzak... apparently the judges decided that "music doesn't make people buy > more stuff" and so artists are not entitled to any royalties and would be > greedy if they demanded them. :/ > > [ > Ray ] > [ I'll stand in front of you | take the force of the blows | protection ] > [ www.navaira.prv.pl ] > > > > > -- > > Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! > [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:33:59 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Residuals > Jeff Abrams said: > > > How often do you think Basia makes it to Muzak? PLENTY! > > That is where the REAL money is. > > She will be fat on residuals for the rest of her life. She gets plenty of airplay on my stpre's Muzak system, which has two "adult contemporary" formats. Now my question is this: How much do you get when Muzak plays one of your songs? Does anybody have any idea? Larry, how about you? Could this be the reason she doesn't "need" to record any new music? Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:17:32 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Musician's Rant The only problem with Madonna is that she's as trashy as a junkyard dog. She's a porn star who happens to write some catchy melodies. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Brown > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:38 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > > > > > When you work with computers and electronics, you > > can correct any flaw. > > Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; > > all corrected with the > > turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the > > screen. > > And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the > musicians out there in the world, for that > matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this > technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) > > --Leslie, who can see them as big Mac geeks ;-) > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:17:30 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: musical talents vs. techno polished looks You know what gets me about all of this - I mean, I appreciate the argument against techno and massive production. But isn't massive production just another variation on a musical instrument? I harken back to the days when people criticized electric guitars because they weren't "natural instruments". As if pianos grow on trees .... Musical expression takes many forms, including a theoretically infinite number of inventions we have yet to see yet. If you only want pure voices, then where do you draw the line? Violins aren't "pure", they've just been around for a while. How "natural" is a saxophone? It's just older technology. Just because there isn't "talent" in the performance of a new high tech instrument doesn't mean there isn't talent in its invention. Having said that - there's an excitement in the live performance of a harpsichord that you just don't get with a computer-programmed drum machine. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:29:09 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: RE: Musician's Rant >The only problem with Madonna is that she's as trashy as a junkyard dog. That's totally unfair to junkyard dogs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:15:38 -0800 From: "Catherine" Subject: More Ranting >>>>The only problem with Madonna is that she's as trashy as a junkyard dog.>>>>>>>> That's totally unfair to junkyard dogs. whroberts@iquest.net You all crack me up. But I feel we have tastes in common...and maybe why I prefer Basia over "worse than junkyard dogs" however rich and over exposed. Isn't there something so simple and clean and crisp about her music that makes me want to dance, and gives me hope for the future. Cathe' ----- Original Message ----- From: whroberts@iquest.net To: Steve O'Hearn ; basia@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: RE: Musician's Rant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:13:21 -0600 From: "tom,kelly&jordan" Subject: off topic, Karrin Allison Karrin Allison's latest CD ""Ballads - Remembering John Coletrane" on Concord Jazz was nominated for a 2002 Grammy Award . Last night she lost to Dianne Reeves (stiff competition for sure). BIG PLUG HERE If you enjoy Jazz Singing that will bring tears of joy, this is for you. This recording is Stunning, I kid you not. She is my new Basia, every bit as good........................almost (come on)! Tom PS..This year I plan on releasing two (2) basia bootleg CDs of some tape I've come across. The recordings are poor to very poor. The first release will be the 1988 tour and the second release will be of the 1990 tour. You can contact me about this this matter if you have interest. I will say that I am not going to do this if i am going to catch hell from anybody, legal or otherwise. they will be free of charge above the cost of materials and handling. If anybody else has any other live recordings of Basia please contact me. I asked this Question----------- """My wife is polish too (she was the one who solved the "what-does-Basia-sing-in-the-intro-of-Half a Minute"-mystery on the digest a couple of years ago) so feel free to turn to us for help with translation/pronunciation.! Man it's good to be back! Troels""""" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:14:38 -0800 From: Stephen Ylvisaker Subject: Re: off topic, Karrin Allison >Karrin Allison's latest CD ""Ballads - Remembering John Coletrane" >on Concord Jazz was nominated for a 2002 Grammy Award . Last night >she lost to Dianne Reeves (stiff competition for sure). > > >BIG PLUG HERE > > >If you enjoy Jazz Singing that will bring tears of joy, this is for >you. This recording is Stunning, I kid you not. She is my new Basia, >every bit as good........................almost (come on)! > > >Tom Tom, I agree. Karrin Allison is a pleasure to listen to. Stephen ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V7 #37 **************************