From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V7 #36 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, February 28 2002 Volume 07 : Number 036 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Just Another Day [Bob Rumsby ] RE: Basia's movie anthem ["Jeff Abrams" ] Combined ["Navaira" ] Re: Basia's movie anthem [whroberts@iquest.net] RE: Basia's movie anthem ["Randy Boatright" ] RE: Basia's movie anthem [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Basia's movie anthem [Radleigh@aol.com] Re: Basia's movie anthem [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Musician's Rant ["Star Eyes" ] Re: Musician's Rant [Leslie Brown ] Re: Musician's Rant ["Catherine" ] Re: Combined [Leslie Brown ] Re: Musician's Rant [Leslie Brown ] musical talents vs. techno polished looks ["Catherine" ] Re: Musician's Rant [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Musician's Rant [Leslie Brown ] Re: Combined [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Musician's Rant ["Catherine" ] Departures [] Re: Springtime Laughter ["Neil Jackson" ] Fw: Departures ["Steve Richardson" ] Fw: Departures ["Steve Richardson" ] RE: Departures ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: Musician's Rant ["Edward Escoto" ] Re: Musician's Rant ["Star Eyes" ] Re: Musician's Rant [JPovlock@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:24:19 -0500 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: Just Another Day At 11:30 PM 2/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >Paul (who is currenty enjoying Peter's "Caravan of Deams") >---- So why you not got around to GLOW bfn BobR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:55:32 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Basia's movie anthem I'm not sure what part of that language was objectionable. Was it the word "allot" or "virtuosity"? - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Once when I was in Hawaii, on the island of Kauai, I met a mysterious old stranger. He said he was about to die and wanted to tell someone about the treasure. I said, "Okay, as long as it's not a long story. Some of us have a plane to catch, you know." He stared telling his story, about the treasure and his life and all, and I thought: "This story isn't too long." But then, he kept going, and I started thinking, "Uh-oh, this story is getting long." But then the story was over, and I said to myself: "You know, that story wasn't too long after all." I forget what the story was about, but there was a good movie on the plane. It was a little long, though. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of John Palcher Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:50 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Basia's movie anthem "It is unfortunate. Madonna is just a trashy woman with looks and little talent, not even close to Basia's musical virtuosity. Proof positive, allot of people prefer a whore to a princess. Ed" I have a request. I don't think above language in a mailing list like that above is appropriate. I don't care if you don't like Madonna. I don't mind constructive criticism. But I think the above language is not helpful at making any point at all. I enjoy reading and posting messages to this list because I like to have lively, insightful conversations with other Basia listeners. I don't belong to hear derogatory and insulting words about artists that I like and I believe are very talented and should be respected for their accomplishments. Let the debate begin again! raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:42 +0100 From: "Navaira" Subject: Combined Hi, Ed wrote: > It is unfortunate. Madonna is just a trashy woman with looks and little > talent, not even close to Basia's musical virtuosity. Proof positive, allot > of people prefer a whore to a princess. You know, I killed people for less. I've just got three words to answer for that: Ray of Light. > I'm so sick of the Pop Music Icon idealized society > we live in. True talent and Musicianship is overlooked and set aside for > airplay of image related sound. Our Lady deserves a break like a title song > for 007 ..... Draw or Fold? Your move.... I agree with that, although I don't necessarily think Madonna is the best example, as she co-writes and co-produces her songs. The good examples are all over the UK singles chart: this week's #1 is by Will Young, who won a TV "reality show" called "Pop Idol". It doesn't matter WHAT he recorded as his debut single, it doesn't matter if he can sing, write his music, produce it or play any instrument. He won that show. Look at the Monday singles sales in the UK: 1) EVERGREEN/ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE - Will Young (385,483)!!! 2) WHENEVER WHEREVER - Shakira (30,934) 3) HERO - Enrique Iglesias (16,925) 4) SOMETHING - Lasgo (14,327) 5) WORLD OF OUR OWN - Westlife (14,155) What do we get here? Will Young, Enrique Iglesias ('nuff said) and Westlife, the worst boyband ever, who also happen to have scored 10 #1s and 1 #2 in the UK with their first 11 singles. Charts are dead now. Even the UK chart which I used to idolize hardly includes anything worth my while now. You get to chart if BBC Radio One plays your track, and BBC1 refuses to play anything if the artist's been around for more than 5 years, because the artist "is no longer cool". They only do exceptions for Madonna and Kylie, simply because otherwise people would switch to a different station, one that plays both :) It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts because of as much as one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge if someone's good if they only released one single and one album? At the same time established artists lose their contrasts because they apparently don't sell enough, to only mention Sinead O'Connor, Tori Amos and Armand van Helden. And who gets signed? Ohh, come on. Will Young! Leslie asks: > It's a tough call: is schlocky Basia better than no > Basia at all? Bearing in mind that Basia herself has > said she turned down Diane Warren songs and wasn't > interested in recording them... Diane Warren songs are mostly formulaic and stick to the "two power ballads are better than one power ballad" theme. I can't recall a single song she'd written that I would like. Absolutely not my taste. I know her songs sell, but Basia recording a song because she needs money would be close to prostitution IMO. And what I love about Basia is her unique style; recording a Diane Warren song could hardly be called "unique". No Mutt Lange either, please. > The music we love and appreciate isn't merely due to > everyone showing up, obviously. We like the craft, the > way she writes about her house, or her friends, or > some guy that plays trumpet in her band. ;-) Hell, I even love "the Prayer of a happy Housewife" :) > We like > how Danny comes up with this music that sounds simple > and cleanly played, but on second glance is amazingly > complex. Would someone that had commercial trends on > their mind be able to preserve any of those qualities? I wanted to say yes, but then I thought a while... The desperate will to succeed stops people from being adventurous and if they want to do something new anyway they inevitably end up doing stuff that's middle of the road. The forthcoming Pet Shop Boys album is a good example, with no more than two really good songs (one of which sounds like Oasis) and the lead single chosen because it's "radio friendly". It's also their worst single ever, but it's radio friendly, you know. And look at Mariah Carey, who started with incredibly good "Visions of Love" and ended with "Glitter". The funny thing is, that once you STOP caring about the commercial success, you're sometimes rewarded with a big seller: Bjork's "Vespertine" which is her least accessible album so far and seems devoured of singles material, has so far spawned three singles and became her fastest selling album. And boy oh boy, how great it is. > At the same time, I'm a practical girl, and I'm all > for an artist getting some of that money. I mean, if > she did this hypothetical song, it becomes a galactic > hit, and her family's set for life, then.... But... what would happen if she did that song and it did NOT become a hit? She'd lose the hard gained fans' respect (at least mine. Hum hum) and the whole lot of people on this list would slag the song as being "not up to Basia standards". Playing New Day For You, one of the best pop tracks, ever -- (-) Ray [ call it what you want | you've got a home here ] [ find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ] - -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:50:51 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Basia's movie anthem Let me intrude with my opinion about Madonna. I don't particularly enjoy the kind of image she projects. She has some vocal talent, she can dance, but nothing extraordinary. Has Madonna ever written any of her songs? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I think Madonna is more the product of hype and self-promotion. I don't think Basia would ever put out a book about sex that features numerous explicit photos of her in varying sexual situations. (I'm going on heresay at this point). I see your bid and raise you 20. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:51:49 -0600 From: "Randy Boatright" Subject: RE: Basia's movie anthem Actually, Madonna has written or co-written most of her songs! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of whroberts@iquest.net Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:51 AM To: Star Eyes; basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Basia's movie anthem Let me intrude with my opinion about Madonna. I don't particularly enjoy the kind of image she projects. She has some vocal talent, she can dance, but nothing extraordinary. Has Madonna ever written any of her songs? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I think Madonna is more the product of hype and self-promotion. I don't think Basia would ever put out a book about sex that features numerous explicit photos of her in varying sexual situations. (I'm going on heresay at this point). I see your bid and raise you 20. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:01:09 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: RE: Basia's movie anthem >>Actually, Madonna has written or co-written most of her songs! > Hmm... Learn something new every day. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:01:05 EST From: Radleigh@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia's movie anthem Forgive me. I am completely guilty of having not followed this string of email. Are we comparing Madonna to Basia? Because if we are, we're comparing apples and soccer balls. Both women are clearly geniuses. Basis is a weaver of melodies. Of harmonies. A genuius of music in its truest state. Madonna is a master marketer, self-promoter, and intuitive of what will play to the masses at any one given moment. Of course, I much prefer Basia. I think she is one of the greatest, and (pardon the pun) undersung talents of our age. But comparing her to Madonna seems somehow odd. Like comparing her to Lee Iacoca or something. Just my two cents. ~Rad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:54:36 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Basia's movie anthem I think this train of thoughts began with someone wishing that Basia would sing the theme for the next James Bond movie. It was quickly pointed out (to the chagrin of some of us) that Madonna had already landed the job. > >Forgive me. I am completely guilty of having not followed this string of >email. > >Are we comparing Madonna to Basia? Because if we are, we're comparing apples >and soccer balls. > >Both women are clearly geniuses. > >Basis is a weaver of melodies. Of harmonies. A genuius of music in its >truest state. > >Madonna is a master marketer, self-promoter, and intuitive of what will play >to the masses at any one given moment. > >Of course, I much prefer Basia. I think she is one of the greatest, and >(pardon the pun) undersung talents of our age. > >But comparing her to Madonna seems somehow odd. Like comparing her to Lee >Iacoca or something. > >Just my two cents. >~Rad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:17:19 -0800 From: "Star Eyes" Subject: Re: Musician's Rant Hi Nav wrote, > I've just got three words to answer for that: Ray of Light. What do you mean, "Ray of Light", more like a "shaft of light". This song is a studio production that required few,(if any), musicians to make. This is exactly what I refer to as the lack of musicianship and REAL talent in today's Pop Culture music. Ray of light was produced through DAR flawlessly. When you work with computers and electronics, you can correct any flaw. Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; all corrected with the turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the screen. I myself am a REAL musician. When I need to adjust tonal quality, I get out my drum key and insulators, move things around adjust microphone distances, dampen cymbals, etc.,etc. When we have a problem with the pace, we play faster or slower; we don't adjust a knob. If there is a flaw in the track, we redo it. When REAL musicians perform live, they don't use BACKUP TRACKS and LIP SYNC. " I could replicate any percussion from her music and never have to leave my computer. If I want to play Basia's music, I have to go into my Drum room and physically interact with the music". Real artists don't use gimmicks or diversion. Nothing wrong with electronic music. If I want techno, (ambient or trance) I'd listen to "auxiliary" or Jungle Logic. It has it's following. I actually like quite a bit of it. Hmmm? >You know, I killed people for less. Well . This is a bit unusual. Lets just say, "I'd snap you in two and toss ya in da trash"! Unless you can run real fast. Ed , Friend to all creatures; big and small ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > When you work with computers and electronics, you > can correct any flaw. > Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; > all corrected with the > turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the > screen. And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the musicians out there in the world, for that matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) - --Leslie, who can see them as big Mac geeks ;-) Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:48:14 -0800 From: "Catherine" Subject: Re: Musician's Rant >>>>And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the musicians out there in the world, for that matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) >>> But the point is that Ms. Madonna has severly manipulated us with it. And by herself...without her show...she is a quite ordinary dumpy and chunky looking person without much singing talent. To her credit, she can dance, though. Check her out in one of the New York City clubs that she has been known to frequent. Catherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Brown To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > When you work with computers and electronics, you > can correct any flaw. > Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; > all corrected with the > turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the > screen. And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the musicians out there in the world, for that matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) --Leslie, who can see them as big Mac geeks ;-) Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Combined > It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts > because of as much as > one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge > if someone's good if > they only released one single and one album? I remember when this used to be merely a British condition. Now we're getting hit with it in the US. Ugh. > No Mutt Lange > either, please. Agreed... > Hell, I even love "the Prayer of a happy Housewife" Ugh, no, Ray. ;-) BTW, did *anyone* check out that streaming video concert with Jazz Jamaica All Stars that I posted a couple of weeks ago? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3jjhome.shtml in case you forgot. They are the shiz. - --Leslie, talkin' loud and, well, sayin' nothin', really Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > But the point is that Ms. Madonna has severly > manipulated us with it. But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. And by > herself...without her show...she is a quite ordinary > dumpy and chunky looking > person without much singing talent. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle* Anyway...she must be doing something right, cause she has all of you in such a dander. :-) - --Leslie Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:07:40 -0800 From: "Catherine" Subject: musical talents vs. techno polished looks What bothers me is that when I was younger I remember some of my favorite artists making it based solely on their musical talents. When MTV came on line, singers/bands/performers became popular more for their looks and their technically polished video acts rather than their musical abilities. Some of my favs didn't make the cut because of their not so easy to polish looks. catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Brown To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Combined > It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts > because of as much as > one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge > if someone's good if > they only released one single and one album? I remember when this used to be merely a British condition. Now we're getting hit with it in the US. Ugh. > No Mutt Lange > either, please. Agreed... > Hell, I even love "the Prayer of a happy Housewife" Ugh, no, Ray. ;-) BTW, did *anyone* check out that streaming video concert with Jazz Jamaica All Stars that I posted a couple of weeks ago? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3jjhome.shtml in case you forgot. They are the shiz. --Leslie, talkin' loud and, well, sayin' nothin', really Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:20:15 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Musician's Rant As a musician myself, I would like to jump in here. There is a difference between utilizing modern technology to get the best sound or an interesting variety of sounds, and using technology as a substitute for talent. Technology can be used to do pitch correction and even fix bad intonation on vocals. That is harder to cover up on a concert recording, because there are people there who hear it live. I think I remember Basia saying her first two albums used sequencing extensively but that The Sweetest Illusion was more of a "live" album. Even so, Basia has never had to have her vocals "fixed". > >> When you work with computers and electronics, you >> can correct any flaw. >> Tonal adjustments, voice flexion, depth, feel, pace; >> all corrected with the >> turn of a few knobs or clicking on a setting on the >> screen. > >And if you think that Basia and Danny--or half the >musicians out there in the world, for that >matter--aren't taking advantage at least some of this >technology, you'd be quite mistaken, I'm sure:-) > >--Leslie, who can see them as big Mac geeks ;-) >Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! >http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the > only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known > as > electronic editing and effects. This should be followed by a big, sarcastic wink! Lest you all think I'm anti-electronic. ;-) See? - --Oops Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:23:25 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Combined >> It's also pathetic that artists lose their contracts >> because of as much as >> one "not very well selling" album. How can one judge >> if someone's good if >> they only released one single and one album? > Case in point: If memory serves, "Paperback Writer" was the first Beatles single not to get to #1. Their career was far from over though, wasn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:16:58 -0800 From: "Catherine" Subject: Re: Musician's Rant But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle*Anyway...she must be doing something right I'm not saying Maddy didn't do something right....$800 million dollars net worth shows that. And I felt sorry for her when she was eating out of dumpsters and living in a trashed out apatment in NYC. Bringing this back to Basia, do you think she is so set financially, or does she have to watch her budget because she didn't have the same manipulation skills or desire? Catherine From: Leslie Brown To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > But the point is that Ms. Madonna has severly > manipulated us with it. But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. And by > herself...without her show...she is a quite ordinary > dumpy and chunky looking > person without much singing talent. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle* Anyway...she must be doing something right, cause she has all of you in such a dander. :-) --Leslie Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:40:27 -0500 From: Subject: Departures Some of you new to the list may not have heard "Departures." In my mind (what's left of it), it ranks as the strangest Basia song of all. J.S. Lohr (Roach) found it on a 45 in a record store in Philadelphia in early 1995. I don't know when it was recorded. But I've put it up on my web page as an mp3 if you want it. un abrazo, juan http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-Paxety ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:23:13 -0000 From: "Neil Jackson" Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter Hi All Springtime Laughter - Oh Dear!!!!! Just Another Day - Personally, one of the best tracks she has ever recorded. In fact, for me, near perfection. Great production all 'round. Simple as that...for me anyway. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:00:14 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Musician's Rant Her agent had enough manipulation skills, alright. How often do you think Basia makes it to Muzak? PLENTY! That is where the REAL money is. She will be fat on residuals for the rest of her life. - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Laurie got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what her dinner tasted like. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Catherine Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:17 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Musician's Rant But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle*Anyway...she must be doing something right I'm not saying Maddy didn't do something right....$800 million dollars net worth shows that. And I felt sorry for her when she was eating out of dumpsters and living in a trashed out apatment in NYC. Bringing this back to Basia, do you think she is so set financially, or does she have to watch her budget because she didn't have the same manipulation skills or desire? Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:09:49 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Departures NO WAY...that's not Basia...not OUR Basia! Surely a coincidence, someone with the same name...gotta have more info to believe that's Basia. What's on the other side of the 45...does it list songwriter, producer credits, etc.? Unless it's something she recorded 20 years ago and someone stuck it on a single to try to take advantage...a song from distant, pre-Time and Tide days. Steve R. - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Some of you new to the list may not have heard "Departures." In my mind (what's left of it), it ranks as the strangest Basia song of all. J.S. Lohr (Roach) found it on a 45 in a record store in Philadelphia in early 1995. I don't know when it was recorded. But I've put it up on my web page as an mp3 if you want it. > un abrazo, > juan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:13:33 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Departures Well I see it's on the discography, so I guess it's really her...glad she got out of that groove...or lack thereof. Steve R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:17:38 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Departures Me thinks she may have been "experimenting", if you know what I mean. It sure sounds like her timbre to me. - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Do they ever shut up on your planet? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Steve Richardson Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:10 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Fw: Departures NO WAY...that's not Basia...not OUR Basia! Surely a coincidence, someone with the same name...gotta have more info to believe that's Basia. What's on the other side of the 45...does it list songwriter, producer credits, etc.? Unless it's something she recorded 20 years ago and someone stuck it on a single to try to take advantage...a song from distant, pre-Time and Tide days. Steve R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:25:07 -0600 From: "Edward Escoto" Subject: Re: Musician's Rant Fuck ............... "Catherine" @smoe.org on 27/02/2002 02:16:58 PM Please respond to basia@smoe.org Sent by: owner-basia@smoe.org To: cc: Subject: Re: Musician's Rant But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle*Anyway...she must be doing something right I'm not saying Maddy didn't do something right....$800 million dollars net worth shows that. And I felt sorry for her when she was eating out of dumpsters and living in a trashed out apatment in NYC. Bringing this back to Basia, do you think she is so set financially, or does she have to watch her budget because she didn't have the same manipulation skills or desire? Catherine From: Leslie Brown To: basia@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Musician's Rant > But the point is that Ms. Madonna has severly > manipulated us with it. But it would be hardly fair to say that she is the only one, the perpetuator of this evil scorge known as electronic editing and effects. And by > herself...without her show...she is a quite ordinary > dumpy and chunky looking > person without much singing talent. She's far smarter than anyone gives her credit for, though, to have gotten to the point where she is today. Call it manipulation, call it shrewd, I call it pretty bloody brilliant. :-) Just the fact that she got out of Michigan qualifies her for something. *chortle* Anyway...she must be doing something right, cause she has all of you in such a dander. :-) --Leslie Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:43:24 -0800 From: "Star Eyes" Subject: Re: Musician's Rant - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Escoto" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Musician's Rant Dude, Thats' it? Thats all you can say? Remembner, we's not sposed' to uhset da folks round he-yahr. Let's try to be construcutionative, ya'all. Sea- yao > > Fuck ............... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:33:26 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Musician's Rant When REAL musicians perform live, they don't use BACKUP TRACKS and LIP SYNC. ED - You are the man!!! REAL musicians are what life is all about. We gotta have a beer someday......... Jim P. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V7 #36 **************************