From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V7 #34 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Tuesday, February 26 2002 Volume 07 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Springtime Laughter ["Ray Kuryla" ] Re: basia-digest V7 #33 ["Navaira" ] Re: Springtime Laughter [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Springtime Laughter [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Springtime Laughter [Leslie Brown ] Re: Springtime Laughter [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Springtime Laughter ["Alan Mann" ] Just Another Day ["Paul S. Fish" ] Re: Just Another Day [Leslie Brown ] Re: Aguas de Marco ["Ben van Maaren" ] Re: Aguas de Marco ["Ben van Maaren" ] Re: Aguas de Marco ["Rob Perkins" ] Re: Just Another Day ["John Palcher" ] (no subject) [JPovlock@aol.com] (no subject) [JPovlock@aol.com] Basia vs. Diane ["John Palcher" ] Re: Basia vs. Diane [JPovlock@aol.com] Basia's movie anthem ["Steve Richardson" ] (no subject) [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Basia vs. Diane ["John Palcher" ] Basia Movie Songs ["John Palcher" ] Diane Warren [Timothy Yap ] Re: Diane Warren ["John Palcher" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:53:06 -0800 From: "Ray Kuryla" Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter This is another example of the differing tastes of people. No one is going to like everything she does, even though all of us agree she is a very talented singer and writer and we admire her very much. Some of her pieces I don't particularly care for, but that doesn't mean that others would think the same way. Some of us (not including myself) are more versed in musical criticism than others, because of their experience in the field, educational background in music, etc., etc. and have some basis on which to place their reasoning rather than just personal taste. However that doesn't always matter anyway because we all are going to have different favorites and, for that matter, "not-so-favorites". Ray >From: "John Palcher" >Reply-To: basia@smoe.org >To: "Basia List" >Subject: Springtime Laughter >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:35:53 -0500 > > >Saying a song that Basia was involved with is crappy/sucky is sacrilegious! >LOL Though I respect the fact that some people don't like "Springtime >Laughter," sung with Spyro Gyra, I just wanted to put my few cents worth in >and say that I really like the song. Specifically because it was a song >quite different to what type of songs she had been doing a few years ago. >Quite a bit more jazzy than usually. > >Maybe the lyrics were "blah." I always focus more on the music and the >vocal performance of any song, so the lyrics do not affect me as much >usually. > >Not like she was doing a lot of music a few years ago. At least it was a >song by her! And I loved her and the song for it. > >raburabu >joe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:25:31 +0100 From: "Navaira" Subject: Re: basia-digest V7 #33 Hi, > > Dude, your right, the song Basia did on the Spyro Gyra album really > sucked. > >I thought Basia sang great as ever, but the lyrics were blah. > > The song sucked in spite of Basia singing on it. Her voice was fine (as > always), but the music was boring and it certainly did not highlight her > capabilities as a singer. Hmm, what bothers me is that I seem to recall some of the people who now slag the song off completely used to praise it when it was released... "The beautiful new song with Spyro Gyra! I'll have to buy the album to get it but it doesn't matter because it's such a beautiful song!" I liked it then and I like it now, btw. Say hi to Joe :) (-) Ray [ call it what you want | you've got a home here ] [ find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ] - -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:38:02 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter >I always focus more on the music and the >vocal performance of any song, so the lyrics do not affect me as much >usually. Same with me, which is why I enjoy instrumental jazz. As a Spyro fan, I just thought the music was boring, especially compared to other songs on that CD. I didn't think it was a good vehicle for Basia because it required very little on her part to sing it. Many other singers could easily have sung that song. However, most of Basia's music on her CD's are sung in a way only a relatively few sopranos could match. The Spyro song just didn't live up to the level or quality of music that Basia has done on her own CD's. I didn't think it was up to Spyro Gyra's standards either. In the vein of others who have mentioned song they would like to hear Basia do a cover of, there are five songs I like that Anita Baker has done: Same Old Love Caught up in the Rapture Sweet Love Giving You the Best That I Got Soul Inspiration I would love to hear Danny and the band could do with those songs, with Basia singing. B.R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:42:33 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter >are the English lyrics a >(literal) translation of the Brazilian original words, or just an >interpretation? And did Basia translate them herself (or anyone near her) or >did they exist before Basia's version of "Waters of March" was recorded? I don't know how the lyrics got into English, but Art Garfunkel sung them a long time ago (1970's?) on his "Breakaway" album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter > However, most of Basia's music on her CD's are sung > in a way only a relatively > few sopranos could match. The Spyro song just > didn't live up to the level or > quality of music that Basia has done on her own > CD's. I didn't think it was > up to Spyro Gyra's standards either. Well said. She sang well, the music was only alright, but the lyrics tainted all! Spyro has done much better. But they are really best sans vocals, IMHO. Yet I am guilty of playing the song anyway. It is the one song sung by Basia that I haven't heard a thousand times yet. :-) And, it may not be perfect, but it's no "Prayer of a Happy Housewife" ! *shudder* - --Leslie Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:08:20 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter >Yet I am guilty of playing the song anyway. It is the >one song sung by Basia that I haven't heard a thousand >times yet. :-) And, it may not be perfect, but it's no >"Prayer of a Happy Housewife" ! *shudder* > Don't feel guilty. The song just does nothing for me. I said it sucked because both Basia and SG are both capable of better. It's going to be sad if we Basia fans have to be content with obscure or sparse appearances by her to satisfy our craving. I guess I have some ground to cover before I exhaust everything she has done. I don't have any Matt Bianco stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:14:52 -0000 From: "Alan Mann" Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter Seems strange to me that nobody has made any comment on the track Basia did with Peter White "Just Another Day" What does the group feel about this track? Personally, I don't find anything wrong with "Waters of March" or "Springtime Laughter". I just enjoy them for what they are. Different Alan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben van Maaren" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Springtime Laughter > > Rob, > > I agree wholeheartedly. The lyrics of "Waters of March" are anything but > trite and are as carefully considered as those of "deep" songs. Yup, one > might even call them poetic. (I know I would! :-)) > What I've always wondered, though, is this: are the English lyrics a > (literal) translation of the Brazilian original words, or just an > interpretation? And did Basia translate them herself (or anyone near her) or > did they exist before Basia's version of "Waters of March" was recorded? I > hope someone can shed light on this issue, that has had me perplexed for > some time now. > > Thanx in advance > > Ben > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "Rob Perkins" > Aan: > Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2002 1:46 > Onderwerp: Re: Springtime Laughter > > > > > > > Wait a minute - let's see now, nice vocal performance, "trite" lyrics, > > > hmmmmm, sounds like Waters of March to me. > > > > Trite lyrics? Ah no, the lyrics are a poem all by themselves. It's about > the > > end of summer, and the beginning of the Brazilian wintertime, or rainy > > season. > > > > Great stuff. Maybe all the songs about how a change of season makes people > > feel is trite to some, but I think differently. > > > > And now, this offering from my churchgoing youth: > > > > I looked out the window and what did I see? > > Popcorn popping on the apricot tree! > > Spring has brought me such a nice surprise: > > Blossoms popping right before my eyes! > > I can take an armful and make a treat: > > A popcorn ball that would smell so sweet! > > It wasn't really so, but it seemed to be > > Popcorn popping on the apricot tree! > > > > Have a great spring! > > > > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:08:14 -0500 From: "Paul S. Fish" Subject: Just Another Day >Seems strange to me that nobody has made any comment on the track Basia did >with Peter White "Just Another Day" I absolutly LOVE "Just Another Day". Especially the single version (although the LP version nothing to sneeze at). Basia's meloncholy vocals are perfectly complemtnted by Peter's stunning guitar work. It is without a doubt my favorite track Basia has done outside of her solo work. Such a beautiful song. Paul - ---- "Your memory's the sunshine every new day brings / I know the sky is calling / Angel, let me help you with your wings" - Nickel Creek, "When You Come Back Down" http://www.marleeonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Just Another Day > I absolutly LOVE "Just Another Day". Especially the > single version (although the LP version nothing to > sneeze at). Basia's meloncholy vocals are perfectly > complemtnted by Peter's stunning guitar work. It is > without a doubt my favorite track Basia has done > outside of her > solo work. Such a beautiful song. Well put. (I'm so agreeable today!) I remember when the PW album was released, some other song was supposed to be the single, but radio kept playing Just Another Day instead. Yeah! The song sure isn't an upper, though. I remember being excited for the CD to come out, because I was really down and out of it due to the end of a really poopy relationship. I bought it straight away, thinking it would cheer me up. Whoops! ;-) - --Leslie Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:40:07 +0100 From: "Ben van Maaren" Subject: Re: Aguas de Marco Stephen, Thanks for setting me right once again. I've looked at the AMG site you referred me to and it appears that the English lyrics have co-existed with the Portuguese from the earliest beginnings. Which makes it strange that I've never heard Jobim's English version before; probably not good enough to put on subsequent albums or compilations. Still, you may not agree with me, but I think the Brazilian lyrics are more suited to the song; they convey the mood of the piece better. Even Basia, admirable and wonderful as her interpretation is, manages to make it sound more down-to-earth than the dreamy, breezy atmosphere of the Brazilian versions I've heard so far. Which makes me want to hear Jobim's original English version so badly!!! Or perhaps it's just me and the Brazilian lyrics are as "trite" as the English ones. Oh, who cares anyway? Why can't I simply enjoy all versions for what they are: personal interpretations of a lovely song.... Ben - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Stephen Ylvisaker" Aan: Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2002 2:41 Onderwerp: Re: Aguas de Marco > > Ben, > > According to the All Music Guide > (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Autapqjouojta) Antonio > Carlos Jobim performed both the Portugese and English versions on his > album titled "Jobim". in 1972. > > Stephen > > >Rob, > > > >I agree wholeheartedly. The lyrics of "Waters of March" are anything but > >trite and are as carefully considered as those of "deep" songs. Yup, one > >might even call them poetic. (I know I would! :-)) > >What I've always wondered, though, is this: are the English lyrics a > >(literal) translation of the Brazilian original words, or just an > >interpretation? And did Basia translate them herself (or anyone near her) or > >did they exist before Basia's version of "Waters of March" was recorded? I > >hope someone can shed light on this issue, that has had me perplexed for > >some time now. > > > >Thanx in advance > > > >Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:42:01 +0100 From: "Ben van Maaren" Subject: Re: Aguas de Marco Rob, Thank you for the supplementary info. Do you have the Portuguese lyrics available and if so, could you please send them to me? I have only a passing knowledge of Portuguese, let alone Brazilian, but I can get my hands on a dictionary so I should be able to make some sense of it. Until now, I've only been capable of translating the chorus well and that only because of Basia's song. The rest has remained a conundrum, apart from some snippets. Strange, though: when I hear Jobim's version with Elis Regina, it doesn't sound nowhere near as long as Basia's. Hard to imagine the same lyrics fit that much shorter version... Ben - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Rob Perkins" Aan: Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2002 2:57 Onderwerp: Re: Springtime Laughter > > > What I've always wondered, though, is this: are the English lyrics a > > (literal) translation of the Brazilian original words, or just an > > interpretation? And did Basia translate them herself (or anyone near her) > or > > did they exist before Basia's version of "Waters of March" was recorded? > > The English version is as old as the Portugese version, I think. Looking > over it with a rudimentary knowledge of Italian, most of the words are > one-for-one. Basia didn't translate them, but from reading other versions I > think she or her producers did reorder the verses a touch. > > "a pin, a needle, a sting, a pain, a snail, a riddle, a wasp, a stain. Hey!" > > I probably got one or more of the words wrong there. It goes by pretty fast. > > Rob > Public opinion exists only where there are no ideas. - Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:14:00 -0800 From: "Rob Perkins" Subject: Re: Aguas de Marco > Do you have the Portuguese lyrics available and if so, could you please send > them to me? http://www.etc.ch/~jason/Lyrics/aguas_de_marco.html Note that the above is not the English translation used by Basia in her rendition. That is: http://www.etc.ch/~jason/Lyrics/waters_of_march.html Making the English on the Portugese page more or less a word for word translation. Note that even *this* one is slightly different from Basia's arrangement. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:44:30 -0500 From: "John Palcher" Subject: Re: Just Another Day "I absolutly LOVE "Just Another Day". Especially the single version (although the LP version nothing to sneeze at). Basia's meloncholy vocals are perfectly complemtnted by Peter's stunning guitar work. It is without a doubt my favorite track Basia has done outside of her solo work. Such a beautiful song." I didn't know "Just Another Day" was released on single with a different version. What is the single version like? raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:52:45 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Hey, I've got a thought for everyone (especially Leslie) : If Diane Warren wrote a song to be produced by David Foster for a movie, meaning it would likely be a huge single, would you want to see Basia sing it? I'd be very interested in hearing the response on that one. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:49:51 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) I just KNEW I'd get this list going when I dissed Waters of March :) I think Just Another Day is a very good song. It's definitely a song for when you're in the dumps about a relationship. I've never thought Peter White was all that great "up front", but as "part" of a band I really think his talent comes out. I thought his playing was very good on that song. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:07:25 -0500 From: "John Palcher" Subject: Basia vs. Diane I can't imagine Basia singing a Diane Warren song. Diane's songwriting is nothing like Basia's style of writing or singing. I don't think it would be a good match at all. Not to say that Diane isn't a good writer. I love a lot of her songs. They are just too poppy for Basia. It would mean like Basia crossing over into the big time--I don't think a lot of us would like that! raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:15:51 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia vs. Diane But Joe, if it were to be the song that gets her career going again, WOULD YOU WANT HER TO DO IT???? jIMJim P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:20:20 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Basia's movie anthem No...I don't think it's a good idea...remember Foster was famous for telling Chicago (the band) he'd produce their record, but only if they left the horn section at home. He'd no doubt tell Basia she wouldn't need Danny or Peter if he produced her song. Much better idea...for a big movie song (and a first single for her new album) Danny and Basia create the theme song for the next James Bond movie! Steve R. - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Hey, I've got a thought for everyone (especially Leslie) : If Diane Warren > wrote a song to be produced by David Foster for a movie, meaning it would > likely be a huge single, would you want to see Basia sing it? > > I'd be very interested in hearing the response on that one. > > Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:22:07 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) I mean, knowing how big the Titanic song was, do you wish Basia had had the opportunity to sing it?? Jim P., feeling VERY feisty tonight ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:27:25 -0500 From: "John Palcher" Subject: Re: Basia vs. Diane "But Joe, if it were to be the song that gets her career going again, WOULD YOU WANT HER TO DO IT????" I wouldn't want Basia to do anything out of character. I want a Basia-esque song to bring Basia to the limelight. That's the only way her music will stay true. If she does any song that was basically not her, we'd be disappointed. It wouldn't be Basia. Let her Basia-esque music speak for itself, not something that is someone elses. And I think Basia's career is going just fine, albeit with some agonizing waiting between albums. raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:31:04 -0500 From: "John Palcher" Subject: Basia Movie Songs "Much better idea...for a big movie song (and a first single for her new album) Danny and Basia create the theme song for the next James Bond movie!" Sorry, Steve, Madonna has apparently beaten her to the punch! I do remember hearing Basia's "Drunk On Love" (or was it "Third Time Lucky") in the movie "Ready To Wear." joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:53:13 -0500 From: Timothy Yap Subject: Diane Warren Let's not underestimate the songwriting prowess of Diane Warren. She can craft tunes for different genres, artists, audience demographic and this is evidenced by the diversity of artists who have covered her songs (Brandy, Reba McEntire, Sheena Easton, Aerosmith, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Michael Bolton etc). So, if Warren were to write a song for Basia, it could even fit her like a glove and still be a hit! Warren knows how to write a song that fits Trisha Yearwood ("How Do I Live") as well as another tune that fits Aerosmith ("I Don't Want to...")! And both songs were HITS! So.... never estimate what that songstress can do. Timothy At 11:07 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I can't imagine Basia singing a Diane Warren song. Diane's songwriting is >nothing like Basia's style of writing or singing. I don't think it would be >a good match at all. > >Not to say that Diane isn't a good writer. I love a lot of her songs. They >are just too poppy for Basia. It would mean like Basia crossing over into >the big time--I don't think a lot of us would like that! > >raburabu >joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:15:42 -0500 From: "John Palcher" Subject: Re: Diane Warren "Let's not underestimate the songwriting prowess of Diane Warren. She can craft tunes for different genres, artists, audience demographic and this is evidenced by the diversity of artists who have covered her songs (Brandy, Reba McEntire, Sheena Easton, Aerosmith, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Michael Bolton etc)." Let me ask a question--do you think that Diane would be able to write music in Basia's genre--cotemporary jazz/bossanova? What a controversy I've stirred up! I totally don't underestimate Diane's songs. Many of the songs that she's written for Expose, Whitney, Leann Rimes, Celine, I love. All of the above artists have something in common that Basia doesn't--they are all "pop" artists. And that is what Diane writes--pop music. So if Basia ever wants to move into the pop arena, Diane would for sure help her out. It's my impression that Diane writes mostly love songs, poppy ones. They may not be the most insightfully written songs, but they are very well written, catchy, and even bring a tear to the eye on occasion! The lyrics of Basia's songs, I think, are much more in depth, possibly more creative at how she approaches a subject. "Drunk On Love," "She Deserves It," "Time & Tide," need I go on? Well, okay, she did to the Stevie Wonder song "Until You Come Back To Me." I guess that is pop. That song fit her well, IMHO. I'm sure I'd love any music that Basia does, no matter the genre. Personally I'd love for her to stay where she is, just if she put out more music! raburabu joe ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V7 #34 **************************