From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V7 #16 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Saturday, February 2 2002 Volume 07 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fw: Asturd...that is, Astrud [jp ] Re: basia-digest V7 #15 [Richard216@aol.com] RE: basia-digest V7 #15 ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: Asturd [whroberts@iquest.net] All sorts. ["David Higginson" ] Documentary ["David Higginson" ] Fw: Documentary ["David Higginson" ] Re: Asturd or Astrid? [Universpub@aol.com] Re: New tracks [pineking@gwi.net] Fw: Asturd or Astrid? ["Steve Richardson" ] Re: New tracks ["William N. Schnaitter" ] Re: New tracks [pineking@gwi.net] Re: New tracks [JPovlock@aol.com] RE: Documentary ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: SwingOut Sister [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: New tracks [pineking@gwi.net] RE: New tracks ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re:Letter campaing [Mithors@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:01:23 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Fw: Asturd...that is, Astrud At 08:19 PM 1/31/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Actually, no...Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes were actually inspired by one >very real girl (not Astrud) who frequented the beach at Ipanema. And, according to Encyclopaedia Juannica, her name is Heloisa Eneida Menezes Paes Pinto - known as Helo (with a thing over the o I can't make on this character set.) un abrazo, juan The Bloviator http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-Bloviator ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:57:22 EST From: Richard216@aol.com Subject: Re: basia-digest V7 #15 Cathe, Welcome to the Basia list, I am a loooooong time member but not to active lately. I am a controller in Cleveland Center, do you fly through there much? ............ oh by the way, I listened to a few tracks from Eva Cassidy .......... what a hauntingly beautiful voice. Richard, from Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:09:58 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: basia-digest V7 #15 Excellent description of Eva. Amazing vocalist. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Richard216@aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:57 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: basia-digest V7 #15 > > > > Cathe, > > Welcome to the Basia list, I am a loooooong time member but not to active > lately. I am a controller in Cleveland Center, do you fly through there > much? ............ oh by the way, I listened to a few tracks from Eva > Cassidy .......... what a hauntingly beautiful voice. > > Richard, from Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:08:47 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: RE: Asturd >Doesn't anyone else besides me see something horribly WRONG about the >subject line of this thread? > Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:00:40 -0000 From: "David Higginson" Subject: All sorts. When this list gets going it is one of the most interesting ones I have the pleasure of being on! I have not listened to Astrud before so while in my local HMV in Birmingham, I found this cd, The Girl from Ipanema, Jazz and Bossa Nova Favourites for the amazing price of #2.99! ($approx ?) I will listen to it tonight and take in Basia's influence. They had quite an extensive selection of astrud material, I did not realise she was around in the '60s. Also, Swing Out Sister! One of my favourites. It's Better To Travel their best album. Will have to check out the new album. Dave Higginson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:37:51 -0000 From: "David Higginson" Subject: Documentary Two mails in one night is a record for me! About a year ago, Channel 4 (UK) did a special programme about the top 100 songs of all time or something along those lines. The Girl from Ipanema was among the 100, although I cannot recall where it was placed. They managed to interview the actual girl upon whom the song was based. From what I remember, she has used that fame to her best advantage and made quite a good living from it. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:46:11 -0000 From: "David Higginson" Subject: Fw: Documentary ps. The cd is on the Hallmark label, HALMCD 1229; distributed by ABM, 240 Centennial Park, Elstree Hill South, Elstree, Borehamwood, Herts, WD6 3SP, UK. Tel 020 8236 2310, Fax 020 8236 2312. Sorry for the trivia. Dave. - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Higginson To: Basia Sent: 02 February 2002 00:37 Subject: Documentary Two mails in one night is a record for me! About a year ago, Channel 4 (UK) did a special programme about the top 100 songs of all time or something along those lines. The Girl from Ipanema was among the 100, although I cannot recall where it was placed. They managed to interview the actual girl upon whom the song was based. From what I remember, she has used that fame to her best advantage and made quite a good living from it. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:19:12 EST From: Universpub@aol.com Subject: Re: Asturd or Astrid? It just dawned on me that I own a track with George Michael and Astrid Gilberto and I was wondering if this is the same "Astrud" of the discussion thread. After listening to it, and if the two are the same, I realize the only comparison would be that she has a pleasing, soft, sensual voice. Beyond that, there is NO comparison. Our Basia exudes vocal seduction that defies characterization. The way she sings with that sultry voice, oh my. THAT is what's wrong with this thread. In a message dated 2/1/02 6:10:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, whroberts@iquest.net writes: > >Doesn't anyone else besides me see something horribly WRONG about the > >subject line of this thread? > > > > Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:56:44 -0500 From: pineking@gwi.net Subject: Re: New tracks This brings up a couple of questions. Is Danny contractually bound to Basia? We really do love Basia's voice and personality, but it's the melody that catches our imagination the most, rite? Just about ANYBODY could do the lyrics for Burt Bacharach, same goes for Richard Rodgers. Well, since Hal David and Oscar Hammerstein are who they are/were, credit should be granted, but c'mon, lyrically, "Cruisin' for bruisin'" ain't quite on the same level as "Alfie" or "Oklahoma". Can Danny go somewhere else with his material? I certainly hope so. My honest opinion of the guy is that he is a melodic genius, and should not be held up by the mercurial machinations of an emotionally disenfranchised performer more focussed on her family life at the expense of someone who should be enjoying the freedom of performing his material for the enjoyment of those who want to hear it. Phil > I visited a friend of Danny White on Tuesday: Apparently Danny has > send Basia recently ten tracks for evaluation, but apparently with no > great response. It appears that she's not very interested at present. > > Shame, really. > > Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:12:02 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Asturd or Astrid? No, it's definitely ASTRUD not ASTRID, if it's spelled that way on the George Michael album they screwed her name up. I don't think anyone has claimed Basia and Astrud share that much in common...the thread just comes up from time to time because Basia wrote and performed a song about Astrud (and obviously shares a love of Brazilian music). Don't think any of us would claim that Astrud is as talented a singer as Basia. To me that was a part of Astrud's charm, her innocent, unschooled singing voice. But a little Astrud goes a long way...whereas a little Basia is never enough! Steve R. > > It just dawned on me that I own a track with George Michael and Astrid > Gilberto and I was wondering if this is the same "Astrud" of the discussion > thread. > > After listening to it, and if the two are the same, I realize the only > comparison would be that she has a pleasing, soft, sensual voice. Beyond > that, there is NO comparison. > > Our Basia exudes vocal seduction that defies characterization. The way she > sings with that sultry voice, oh my. > > THAT is what's wrong with this thread. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:12:54 -0800 From: "William N. Schnaitter" Subject: Re: New tracks pineking@gwi.net wrote: > This brings up a couple of questions. > > Is Danny contractually bound to Basia? We really do love Basia's > voice and personality, but it's the melody that catches our > imagination the most, rite? Not so fast. As Waters of March is one of my favorites of Basia, the melody is sort of two notes. It's the harmony and rhythm that make magical! and the words/concept. - -BillSch > Just about ANYBODY could do the > lyrics for Burt Bacharach, same goes for Richard Rodgers. Well, > since Hal David and Oscar Hammerstein are who they are/were, > credit should be granted, but c'mon, lyrically, "Cruisin' for bruisin'" > ain't quite on the same level as "Alfie" or "Oklahoma". > > Can Danny go somewhere else with his material? I certainly hope > so. My honest opinion of the guy is that he is a melodic genius, > and should not be held up by the mercurial machinations of an > emotionally disenfranchised performer more focussed on her family > life at the expense of someone who should be enjoying the freedom > of performing his material for the enjoyment of those who want to > hear it. > > Phil > > > I visited a friend of Danny White on Tuesday: Apparently Danny has > > send Basia recently ten tracks for evaluation, but apparently with no > > great response. It appears that she's not very interested at present. > > > > Shame, really. > > > > Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:26:10 -0500 From: pineking@gwi.net Subject: Re: New tracks Except the end of the strain, the joy of your heart is Tom Jobim's, and neither Danny's nor Basia's. > Not so fast. As Waters of March is one of my favorites of Basia, the > melody is sort of two notes. It's the harmony and rhythm that make > magical! and the words/concept. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:42:24 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: New tracks Anybody want to compare/contrast Basia and Danny with Karen and Richard Carpenter?? JIm P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:46:28 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Documentary I think that Channel 4 UK poll is the one that voted Eva Cassidy's "Over the Rainbow" the single greatest recording of all time, over Judy Garland's version, any Beatles, Elvis, or anything else. That poll definitely happened, about a year ago, in the UK. I'm not exactly sure what Channel, though. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > David Higginson > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:38 PM > To: Basia > Subject: Documentary > > > > Two mails in one night is a record for me! > > About a year ago, Channel 4 (UK) did a special programme about the top 100 > songs of all time or something along those lines. The Girl from > Ipanema was > among the 100, although I cannot recall where it was placed. They > managed to > interview the actual girl upon whom the song was based. From what > I remember, > she has used that fame to her best advantage and made quite a > good living from > it. > > Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:55:27 EST From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: SwingOut Sister A couple thoughts on my second favorite musical act of the last 10 years, SOS: (1) From what I understand, they were supposed to be putting out another studio CD very son, if it's not out already. (2) Their last release, in Japan only, was pretty mediocre, IMHO. Nothing jumped out at me and made me want to listen again and again. (3) I've mentioned this before, but here goes again for all the new folks on our list - to me, SOS is as impressive an act as Basia. They are more electric, featuring electronic keyboards and guitars, while Basia features piano and acoustic guitar. The arrangements are outstanding, the writing and singing very pleasing. I especially enjoy the fact that they let their band play. They have several six or seven minute long songs. (4) If you are a fan, you will want to buy all their CD's, but if you have never really listened to them before, get It's Better To Travel, featuring the hits Breakout and Twilight World, and The Living Return. The Living Return, in my opinion, is as impressive as Basia's TSI. TLR features a live band feel, as opposed to the produced studio sound. Their band, which is pretty damn excellent, really gets to play, featuring all the musicians in one way or another. (5) SOS does a 12 minute song called Making The Right Move, a sultry summertime song where the band plays for about the last eight minutes or so. It's the kinda song that makes you want to go outside with your girl on a hot moonlit summer night, on your sweet smelling back lawn, and....... WHOOPS!! Sorry folks, that song always gets me a bit carried away!! Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:00:15 -0500 From: pineking@gwi.net Subject: Re: New tracks Has Danny driven Basia into some kind of closet? Phil > Anybody want to compare/contrast Basia and Danny with Karen and > Richard Carpenter?? > > JIm P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:06:47 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: New tracks Here's a scenario: Basia was secretly in love with Danny, and they had their ups and downs, and Cruisin' for a Bruisin' was really about them, which is why the video shows what it does, and Basia tried to overcome it all with her Brave New Hope, but finally decided she couldn't take it any more, and has walked away from music, quietly writing genuis level emotionally charged ballads, but unable to deal with the reality of recording them again, for fear of the toll that the emotional stress would have on her. Or maybe not. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > pineking@gwi.net > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:00 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: New tracks > > > > Has Danny driven Basia into some kind of closet? > > Phil > > > Anybody want to compare/contrast Basia and Danny with Karen and > > Richard Carpenter?? > > > > JIm P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:13:26 EST From: Mithors@aol.com Subject: Re:Letter campaing I think the idea for the letter campaing is very good. Maybe, as was stated, she will release a new album if enough of us write letters to her. One question, should we mail these letters individualy, or send them at a aggreed date so thelly get there relatively within days of each ohter? ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V7 #16 **************************