From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #120 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, November 5 2001 Volume 06 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Playboy ["Navaira" ] Re: Picture [jp ] Re: Picture [jp ] Re: Picture [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Playboy [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: New Basia album [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Playboy caliber body? [whroberts@iquest.net] Fw: Playboy caliber body? ["Steve Richardson" ] Re: Fw: Playboy caliber body? [whroberts@iquest.net] Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? [Chris Walsh ] RE: "Her Name", Among Other Things ["Jeff Abrams" ] RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? ["Jeff Abrams" ] Re: New label possibility [whroberts@iquest.net] Re: Playboy caliber body? [Leslie Brown ] Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? ["DAVID L GROVES" Subject: Re: Playboy > Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear I have never noticed. Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, I swear I'd prefer not to have thought about that :) Basia is suffering a fate similar to Seal's, I guess - Seal's fourth album is done and ready and recorded for the last two years but he's waiting till Warner can promise him to market it right and Warner don't have faith in him because of the failure of 'Human Beings' and he attributes the failure entirely to Warner. So it's highly possible that we'll never hear Seal again because his contract obliges him to release the music via Warner and I can understand him not wanting to release it only to see it sell, like, 4000 copies worldwide. I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. Wishing I lived in Germany, where the alternative electronic music is the most played genre - at least in Viva II, (-) Ray [ are you serious + I'm just curious ] [ www.navaira.prv.pl ] - -- Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! [ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:10:51 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Picture At 05:06 PM 11/4/01 -0500, you wrote: > >>BTW, I once heard that Basia has a teenage son. Is this true? If it is, >>then she's older than I thought she was. >> > >Yes she has a son. I saw a message from him on the Basia site. Basia was >born in 1959. > Well, we may be late this year but at least we love her enough to get this fight going again. If someone ever sees her in person, and has the courage to ask her age, please settle this. Yes, her son's name is Nick - he used to be on this list. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:12:06 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Picture At 04:59 PM 11/4/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello- 1st time chatting on this site. Huge Basia fan-does anyone have >any concrete info. about a release date for a new cd? TMM > Welcome to the list. I don't think anyone knows that - we can only hope. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:16:41 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Picture I emailed Peter White (Danny's brother), who has played guitar on a lot of Basia's material. I got this response today: Hi Bill- Thanks for the message. I'm glad you like the music. Yes, every day someone asks me about Basia, and my answer is always the same. There is an album that has been started (some years ago) but there is no sign of it nearing completion any time soon. Yes I have played on some tracks but I heard no vocals- I just worked with my brother. Sorry I can't be of more help! All the best...PW >Hello- 1st time chatting on this site. Huge Basia fan-does anyone have >any concrete info. about a release date for a new cd? TMM > >Bill Roberts wrote: >> >> >BTW, I once heard that Basia has a teenage son. Is this true? If it is, >> >then she's older than I thought she was. >> > >> >> Yes she has a son. I saw a message from him on the Basia site. Basia was >> born in 1959. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Hill >> To: basia@smoe.org >> Date: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:20 AM >> Subject: Re: Picture >> >> > >> >Eh, who cares if she does! She may not quite have Britney Spears looks >> >(although she is very attractive herself), but she has that kid beat >> >talent-wise by light years. >> > >> >BTW, I once heard that Basia has a teenage son. Is this true? If it is, >> >then she's older than I thought she was. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:20:49 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Playboy If Basia has an album done, I wish she would take it to Shanachie. They seem to be scooping up a lot of the jazz and smooth jazz artists. > >> Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear I have never noticed. >Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, I swear I'd prefer not >to have thought about that :) > >Basia is suffering a fate similar to Seal's, I guess - Seal's fourth album >is done and ready and recorded for the last two years but he's waiting till >Warner can promise him to market it right and Warner don't have faith in him >because of the failure of 'Human Beings' and he attributes the failure >entirely to Warner. So it's highly possible that we'll never hear Seal again >because his contract obliges him to release the music via Warner and I can >understand him not wanting to release it only to see it sell, like, 4000 >copies worldwide. > >I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready >but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are >disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground >breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years >from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. > >Wishing I lived in Germany, where the alternative electronic music is the >most played genre - at least in Viva II, > > (-) Ray >[ are you serious + I'm just curious ] >[ www.navaira.prv.pl ] > > >-- > >Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! >[ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:24:59 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: New Basia album I don't know if you got my post about this, but I emailed Peter White about a new Basia CD and got this reply today: Hi Bill- Thanks for the message. I'm glad you like the music. Yes, every day someone asks me about Basia, and my answer is always the same. There is an album that has been started (some years ago) but there is no sign of it nearing completion any time soon. Yes I have played on some tracks but I heard no vocals- I just worked with my brother. Sorry I can't be of more help! All the best...PW > >> Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear I have never noticed. >Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, I swear I'd prefer not >to have thought about that :) > >Basia is suffering a fate similar to Seal's, I guess - Seal's fourth album >is done and ready and recorded for the last two years but he's waiting till >Warner can promise him to market it right and Warner don't have faith in him >because of the failure of 'Human Beings' and he attributes the failure >entirely to Warner. So it's highly possible that we'll never hear Seal again >because his contract obliges him to release the music via Warner and I can >understand him not wanting to release it only to see it sell, like, 4000 >copies worldwide. > >I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready >but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are >disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground >breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years >from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. > >Wishing I lived in Germany, where the alternative electronic music is the >most played genre - at least in Viva II, > > (-) Ray >[ are you serious + I'm just curious ] >[ www.navaira.prv.pl ] > > >-- > >Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! >[ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:29:50 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Playboy caliber body? >>> Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear I have never noticed. >Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, I swear I'd prefer not >to have thought about that :) From Basia's pictures and videos I have seen, she seems to have a nice enough figure, but the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot better in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which covers up even more flaws. > >If Basia has an album done, I wish she would take it to Shanachie. They seem >to be scooping up a lot of the jazz and smooth jazz artists. > > >> >>> Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear I have never noticed. >>Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, I swear I'd prefer not > >>to have thought about that :) >> >>Basia is suffering a fate similar to Seal's, I guess - Seal's fourth album > >>is done and ready and recorded for the last two years but he's waiting till > >>Warner can promise him to market it right and Warner don't have faith in him > >>because of the failure of 'Human Beings' and he attributes the failure >>entirely to Warner. So it's highly possible that we'll never hear Seal again > >>because his contract obliges him to release the music via Warner and I can > >>understand him not wanting to release it only to see it sell, like, 4000 >>copies worldwide. >> >>I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready >>but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are >>disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground >>breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years >>from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. >> >>Wishing I lived in Germany, where the alternative electronic music is the >>most played genre - at least in Viva II, >> >> (-) Ray >>[ are you serious + I'm just curious ] >>[ www.navaira.prv.pl ] >> >> >>-- >> >>Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! >>[ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:44:04 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Playboy caliber body? That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was barely recognizable as human. >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot better > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which covers > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:29:35 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Fw: Playboy caliber body? A few years ago I went into a book store looking for something, and there was some woman with a bunch of guys getting her autograph. I asked what was going on and I was told that she was a Playboy Playmate on some promotional tour and she was signing her pinup for her fans. I thought she was somewhat attractive but not a knockout. When I saw the pinup that some guy was holding I realized what camera angles, lighting, make-up, photo touch-up and airbrushing can do for an average looking person. I guess Playboy is all about fantasy anyway. Basia seems more of a real person. At least her lyrics seem more heart felt than contrived. Maybe that's why record execs aren't interested in any new recordings by her. > >That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of >Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was >barely recognizable as human. > >>...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" >> is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot >better >> in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which >covers >> up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:24:30 GMT From: Chris Walsh Subject: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into account what young people may have access to this. If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was > barely recognizable as human. > > >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > better > > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which > covers > > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:24:35 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? >I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone >that it is insensitive to the women members of the group I understand your feelings. I was surprised when some guy posted a question about whether anyone had naked pictures of Basia. I am certainly don't want the discussion of Basia on that level. However, I tried to make a subtle point that I hoped our female friends on this list would appreciate. And that is this: Playboy pinup girls are not as good looking as the pictures depict them. In other words, they are not real. It's a fantasy. If I want fantasy, I will read the Lord of the Rings. Although I find Basia attractive, the reason I like her songs are: They are well written. They have a romantic lyrical content that I find intelligent but very human, yet it never degrades down to a sordid level of libidinal excess. The music is interesting, with a good dose of jazz, with high production values, clever arrangements, and good musicianship. Most albums I buy from other artists, have at best two or three interesting songs on them, yet with Basia I may find two or three songs that don't do anything for me while the rest I like. On top of all that is that voice. That incredible voice Basia has. > >I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone >that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into >account what young people may have access to this. > >If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > >> >> That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of >> Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was >> barely recognizable as human. >> >> >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" >> > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot >> better >> > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which >> covers >> > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:29:12 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? Sorry if anyone was offended...although since the comments were hardly of a salacious nature, and I'd be surprised if anyone was really bothered. And I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on the "rules" of these lists, but in a list like this with such infrequent postings, is it REALLY necessary to challenge every slightly off-topic posting? I can see it if the discussion drifts aimlessly for quite some time, but 3 or 4 posts over a couple of days...I think not. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Walsh" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone > that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into > account what young people may have access to this. > > If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > > > > That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > > Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was > > barely recognizable as human. > > > > >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > > > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > > better > > > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which > > covers > > > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:57:32 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? I think Chris was just practicing his acceptance speech to his appointment to the FCC. Words are just that - words. If you don't agree with the content, hit delete. One has no right, privilege or place in even suggesting that any content is inappropriate in a public forum. - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go fishing. But we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come back with some whore he picked up in town. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Steve Richardson Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:29 AM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Fw: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? Sorry if anyone was offended...although since the comments were hardly of a salacious nature, and I'd be surprised if anyone was really bothered. And I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on the "rules" of these lists, but in a list like this with such infrequent postings, is it REALLY necessary to challenge every slightly off-topic posting? I can see it if the discussion drifts aimlessly for quite some time, but 3 or 4 posts over a couple of days...I think not. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Walsh" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone > that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into > account what young people may have access to this. > > If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > > > > That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > > Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was > > barely recognizable as human. > > > > >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > > > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > > better > > > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which > > covers > > > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:11:40 -0500 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? That sort of logic would allow for someone to shout "fire" in a crowded movie theater. Or joke about bombs at an airport security gate. There's "free speech", and there's "responsible free speech". The latter is in order here. "Responsible free speech" is harder to quantify, but I think any intelligent thinking person, the typical sort that is going to be subscribed to a Basia email list, can easily determine what that is. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Jeff Abrams > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:58 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > > > I think Chris was just practicing his acceptance speech to his > appointment to the FCC. > > Words are just that - words. If you don't agree with the content, > hit delete. > > One has no right, privilege or place in even suggesting that any > content is inappropriate in a public forum. > > --- > > Jeff Abrams > clavier@bellatlantic.net > > SUPERCHARGED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS > http://www.mazdamaniac.com > TURBOCHARGED 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata > > > We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go > fishing. But we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come > back with some whore he picked up in town. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Steve Richardson > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:29 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Fw: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > > > Sorry if anyone was offended...although since the comments were > hardly of a > salacious nature, and I'd be surprised if anyone was really bothered. > > And I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on the "rules" of > these lists, > but in a list like this with such infrequent postings, is it REALLY > necessary to challenge every slightly off-topic posting? I can > see it if the > discussion drifts aimlessly for quite some time, but 3 or 4 posts over a > couple of days...I think not. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Walsh" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:24 AM > Subject: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > > > > > I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this > group, let > alone > > that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor > do you take > into > > account what young people may have access to this. > > > > If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > > > > > > > That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > > > Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched > up she was > > > barely recognizable as human. > > > > > > >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > > > > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > > > better > > > > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, > which > > > covers > > > > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:10:17 -0800 From: "Ray Kuryla" Subject: "Her Name", Among Other Things I guess I have to include myself in the category of people who think that the comments about her being seen without her clothes, in Playboy, etc. are sort of inappropriate. I'm not a prude, though; I've had those thoughts, but I guess I wouldn't want to have them in a public forum such as this because there are some people that would think them mildly insulting, sexist, etc. I'll admit I'm a novice to public fora such as this, and since I found it a couple of months ago and have just been reading rather than reading and contributing, I see what somebody means when they say discussions follow a thread and then go off on some other related topic. I will admit readily that I've learned a lot about one of my favorite vocalists/composers. Having, well, virtually speaking, "run my mouth", I'll get into my main subject: What is the correct pronunciation of her last name, "Trzetrzelewska"? I know very little about the pronunciation rules of Polish, except that "w" is pronounced like "v", "cz" is pronounced like "ch", and some other rules. Therefore, I know that the last part of her name sounds like "levska", but I have no idea on how the "z"s work in their places in her name. Is there anyone out there who would help me? I have an unusual-spelled and pronounced last name; it is of Russian derivation, and having this, I have an appreciation of pronouncing people's names correctly. Thanks. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:15:46 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: "Her Name", Among Other Things Roughly: Shetshelevska. - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ray Kuryla Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:10 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: "Her Name", Among Other Things Having, well, virtually speaking, "run my mouth", I'll get into my main subject: What is the correct pronunciation of her last name, "Trzetrzelewska"? I know very little about the pronunciation rules of Polish, except that "w" is pronounced like "v", "cz" is pronounced like "ch", and some other rules. Therefore, I know that the last part of her name sounds like "levska", but I have no idea on how the "z"s work in their places in her name. Is there anyone out there who would help me? I have an unusual-spelled and pronounced last name; it is of Russian derivation, and having this, I have an appreciation of pronouncing people's names correctly. Thanks. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:20:05 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: "Her Name", Among Other Things >What is the correct pronunciation of her last name, >"Trzetrzelewska"? One site I found said it was pronounced "che-che-lev-ska". I think the liner notes on one of her CD's has a pronounciation as well. > >I guess I have to include myself in the category of people who think that the >comments about her being seen without her clothes, in Playboy, etc. are sort >of inappropriate. I'm not a prude, though; I've had those thoughts, but I >guess I wouldn't want to have them in a public forum such as this because >there are some people that would think them mildly insulting, sexist, etc. >I'll admit I'm a novice to public fora such as this, and since I found it a >couple of months ago and have just been reading rather than reading and >contributing, I see what somebody means when they say discussions follow a >thread and then go off on some other related topic. I will admit readily that >I've learned a lot about one of my favorite vocalists/composers. > >Having, well, virtually speaking, "run my mouth", I'll get into my main >subject: What is the correct pronunciation of her last name, >"Trzetrzelewska"? I know very little about the pronunciation rules of Polish, >except that "w" is pronounced like "v", "cz" is pronounced like "ch", and some >other rules. Therefore, I know that the last part of her name sounds like >"levska", but I have no idea on how the "z"s work in their places in her name. >Is there anyone out there who would help me? I have an unusual-spelled and >pronounced last name; it is of Russian derivation, and having this, I have an >appreciation of pronouncing people's names correctly. > >Thanks. > >Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:17:34 -0500 From: "John Hill" Subject: Re: "Her Name", Among Other Things >What is the correct pronunciation of her last name, "Trzetrzelewska"? I believe its is pronounced shuh-shuh-leav-ska. I must admit that I am far from the world's leading expert at phonetics, but I think that is close enough. As for the Playboy reference, I think that it borders on inappropriate, but didn't quite cross over. Does Basia have an "official" website? I think that she might want to explore the option of using the net to market her new album and cut out the record labels altogether. Just an idea... John T. Hill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:22:52 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? "Responsible free speech" is an oxymoron. The "penalty" for free speech is the possibility of such utterances as you listed. The penalty for such utterances is well understood. If one were to decide to take the decision that an "inappropriate" statement is requisite in their daily lives, they would also have to accept the consequences imposed on them. However, this would not diminish their right to make such a statement. I don't believe that anyone (short of an individual with a defect of some sort) would yell "Fire" in a crowded room without understanding and expecting the consequences of such. It would be his right to do so, though. I also don't believe you can logically equate such an action to the harmless, though somewhat prurient discussion that precipitated this thread... - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Steve O'Hearn Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:12 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? That sort of logic would allow for someone to shout "fire" in a crowded movie theater. Or joke about bombs at an airport security gate. There's "free speech", and there's "responsible free speech". The latter is in order here. "Responsible free speech" is harder to quantify, but I think any intelligent thinking person, the typical sort that is going to be subscribed to a Basia email list, can easily determine what that is. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:13:19 -0800 From: Stephen Ylvisaker Subject: Re: New label possibility whroberts, That's not a bad idea. Shanachie is a label of very diverse talents all of them very good. By the way, may we know the name behind whroberts? Stephen >If Basia has an album done, I wish she would take it to Shanachie. They seem >to be scooping up a lot of the jazz and smooth jazz artists. > > > >I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready > >but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are > >disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground > >breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years > >from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. > > > > (-) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:46:09 est From: whroberts@iquest.net Subject: Re: New label possibility >By the way, may we know the name behind whroberts? > William Roberts, but I prefer Bill. > >whroberts, > >That's not a bad idea. Shanachie is a label of very diverse talents >all of them very good. > >By the way, may we know the name behind whroberts? > >Stephen > >>If Basia has an album done, I wish she would take it to Shanachie. They seem >>to be scooping up a lot of the jazz and smooth jazz artists. >> >> >> >I guess the case is similar with Basia - she has the album done and ready >> >but doesn't want to see it flop with a small company and the majors are >> >disinterested. So why bother? It's not as if Basia has such a ground >> >breaking modern sound that will be totally useless and dated three years >> >from now, so as long as she's not bankrupt, she can afford to wait. >> > >> > (-) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Playboy caliber body? > >>> Does Basia have a Playboy-caliber body? I swear > I have never noticed. > >Oh! I never thought about that and when I now have, > I swear I'd prefer not This whole --bizarre!--topic stems from a comment that was taken out of context. Basia was relating an incident where she was at a radio station and the DJ there said she should pose if the opportunity came up, and she replyed that she didn't think she had the body for it. That's it! (IMHO, the DJ sounded like a real ass. Sheesh!) You guys might be getting this confused with an *article only* that she did in Polish Playboy some years ago. - --Leslie Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:00:36 -0500 From: "DAVID L GROVES" Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? To Chris Walsh, I was wondering when someone would grow up and realize that talking about her in this way is demeaning! Basia has a lot more class in her pinky finger than any model could ever dream of. Thank you for showing me that there are still decent people that care about values! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Walsh To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone > that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into > account what young people may have access to this. > > If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > > > > That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > > Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was > > barely recognizable as human. > > > > >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > > > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > > better > > > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which > > covers > > > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:02:04 -0500 From: "DAVID L GROVES" Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? I couldn't have said it better! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Chris Walsh ; Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > > >I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone > > >that it is insensitive to the women members of the group > > I understand your feelings. I was surprised when some guy posted a question > about whether anyone had naked pictures of Basia. I am certainly don't want > the discussion of Basia on that level. However, I tried to make a subtle point > that I hoped our female friends on this list would appreciate. And that is > this: Playboy pinup girls are not as good looking as the pictures depict them. > In other words, they are not real. It's a fantasy. If I want fantasy, I will > read the Lord of the Rings. > > Although I find Basia attractive, the reason I like her songs are: They are > well written. They have a romantic lyrical content that I find intelligent > but very human, yet it never degrades down to a sordid level of libidinal excess. > The music is interesting, with a good dose of jazz, with high production values, > clever arrangements, and good musicianship. Most albums I buy from other artists, > have at best two or three interesting songs on them, yet with Basia I may find > two or three songs that don't do anything for me while the rest I like. On > top of all that is that voice. That incredible voice Basia has. > > > > > >I really don't find this to be appropriate discussion for this group, let alone > > >that it is insensitive to the women members of the group, nor do you take into > > >account what young people may have access to this. > > > >If you want to take it offline in a discreet way, please do so. > > > >> > >> That's for sure..I took a glance at the much-ballyhooed nude shots of > >> Belinda Carlisle (of the Go-Go's), she was so heavily touched up she was > > >> barely recognizable as human. > >> > >> >...the idea of a "Playboy caliber body" > >> > is a farce anyway. The photographers make Playboy models look a lot > >> better > >> > in pictures than they do in real life. Then there is airbrushing, which > > >> covers > >> > up even more flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? > However, I > tried to make a subtle point > that I hoped our female friends on this list would > appreciate. And that is > this: Playboy pinup girls are not as good looking as > the pictures depict them. I caught that point, man. Two words: Adobe Photoshop. If I had a mission, I would travel the globe explaining to young women (and some older ones) the extent of airbrushing in the magazine industry. It keeps us pixel pushers in business, yet people really need to know that lots o' time goes into someone's bod. Yet, in my experience, even though a lot of people say magazines should show "real" people, when they see those people sans retouching, they are pretty repelled. On the other hand, it can get carried away. I always thought the LWNY cover has Basia's nose a tad too brushed out, which is kinda absurd. (that was pre-Photoshop, of course, but still) But I digress... if anyone wants my opinon (ha ha, as if) I'm not so much offended as embarrassed, 'cause if Basia read the list at this point (again, ha ha, as if), I would just feel like crap. Secondly, we are a pretty thick-skinned lot, so if anyone new is concerned about anyone being offended, I wouldn't worry. As for kids, sheesh, come forward if I'm mistaken, but I think Ray and I are the youngest people here, and we're in our mid-twenties, mere babies in Basia fandom. I always liked how this list sort of moderates itself: people keep flame wars from getting out of hand, yet we also keep the thought police in check. If other lists were only so lucky. :-) - --Leslie, glad to see the list running again, anyway. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:29:25 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Fw: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? At 09:29 AM 11/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >And I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on the "rules" of these lists, > As someone who's been on this list for years, I'll say it's my impression that the only rule is to post something interesting that's at least, in some way, related to Basia. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:31:00 -0500 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: RE: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? David, You mean - who care about YOUR values. Not the same thing. But I digress... I have been a fan of Basia and her music for as long, if not longer than ANY of you. (I'm sure there are at least a few people left on the list that are in a similar situation, so don't get too ruffled.) I had a copy of T&T before they went on sale (though I didn't listen to it until AFTER I heard "FNO" on the radio - my mistake), I was present at several dates on her first tour and was playing "Half a Minute" at gigs BEFORE she had her own deal. I've been face-to-face with Ms. T several times and have had more than one occasion to "ogle" her if it had been my intent to do so. That said, I've never really entertained the idea of her "naked" before this post came up and it is not likely to cross my mind much after this. She occupies a much higher plane of existence in my mind than most of the women I've ever interacted with and she just isn't a sex object as far as I'm concerned. However, everyone has the right to express that thought and if you don't like it, you can either hit delete or leave the list. Basia's music is a vital part of my psyche but the first amendment and its implications are a matter of life or death in my mind. Don't screw around and don't confuse "decent" with "constrained". - --- Jeff Abrams clavier@bellatlantic.net SUPERCHARGED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS http://www.mazdamaniac.com TURBOCHARGED 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata Somebody told me how frightening it was how much topsoil we are losing each year, but I told that story around the campfire and nobody got scared. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of DAVID L GROVES Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:01 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Appropriate Discussion? - Playboy caliber body? To Chris Walsh, I was wondering when someone would grow up and realize that talking about her in this way is demeaning! Basia has a lot more class in her pinky finger than any model could ever dream of. Thank you for showing me that there are still decent people that care about values! ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #120 ***************************