From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #94 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re:how many thousands ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser ["MCH" ] RE: The Smell of a Sympathiser ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [Robert Burns ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [Robert Burns ] No longer about Basia. . . ["Maria Luisa Jimenez" ] another topic please. [Dirk Pilat ] New guy on the list [NewtonBuss@aol.com] Re: No longer about Basia. . . [Leslie Brown ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: another topic please. ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: Re the panic ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: No longer about Basia. . . ["Andrew Fribbens" ] Re: No longer about Basia. . . [Leslie Brown ] RE: No longer about Basia. . . ["LMB" ] Re: another topic please. [Dirk Pilat ] Re: No longer about Basia. . . ["MCH" ] Re: No longer about Basia. . . [Laura ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathizer [Bob Rumsby ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [Bob Rumsby ] Re: another topic please. [Bob Rumsby ] Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser [Bob Rumsby ] Re: Re the panic [Bob Rumsby ] Re: No longer about Basia. . . [Bob Rumsby ] War is stupid! [eescoto@bcie.org] Re: Re the panic [pineking@gwi.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:02:35 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: Re:how many thousands Hi All, Well this is ANDY writing now, Anne was on my PC most of yesterday and she has strong views.While I have not read all posts. Things do seem to be off topic. To continue off topic for a short while I will say that what happened in the USA was a brutal act of naked evil. Innocent people from many countries and walks of life lost their lives and those responsible need to be punished and prevented from doing this again. Stopping then is going to be very difficult without spilling more innocent blood, but a patient approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has tasted what many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the club, at last a united stand against terrorism is underway and about time before its to late and the hijacked planes carry nuclear devices. But one most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why people hate so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally without sin that we can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to put right the wrongs in the world. Andy Fribbens I saw Basia in London back in the mid 90's at the Jazz cafe it was great, I believe she lives only 15 miles from me over in Biggin Hill. She did write to me once while she was on tour and performing in Liverpool. I still have her letter to this day. - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Nolan" To: "Maillist - Basia" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re:how many thousands > > >>Andrew Fribbens wrote > > >>how many thousands of people that you all work with support the > Islamic view? > > > None! Blissfully none! > Only $9.95 per month! > Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:30:24 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has tasted what > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the > club You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't like that smell. > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why people hate > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally without sin that we > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to put right That's bullshit. When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all communication has been lost, and death is certain. Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:54:27 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: The Smell of a Sympathiser MCH - What if America *DID* do something to provoke it? Would that change anything? Not saying we did, not saying we didn't. Just asking. I'm still trying to sort this entire thing out. - - Steve P.S. And no matter what - NOBODY attacks America and gets away with it. Period. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MCH > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:30 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > > > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has > tasted what > > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the > > club > > You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that > US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more > than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your > phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal > satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't > like that > smell. > > > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why > people hate > > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally > without sin that we > > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to > put right > > That's bullshit. > > When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to > "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the > victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of > self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all > communication has been lost, and death is certain. > > Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? > (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) > > And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly > those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to > provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest > of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and > our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from > the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation > of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:55:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Burns Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser Long-time Lurker here - could you nice folks please take this off the list and simply email each other directly? I see plenty of this kind of exchange already without having the "basia-people" version too. Thanks, - -- - -Robert Loaded down with your talents; Can you still keep your balance? - Emerson, Lake & Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:21:30 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser In a message dated 9/17/2001 6:56:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rburns@execpc.com writes: > Long-time Lurker here -- could you nice folks please take this off the list > and simply email each other directly? I see plenty of this kind of > exchange already without having the "Basia-people" version too. > > Mr. Burns, Is the "DELETE" key on your computer malfunctioning? Will you be sending us a list of acceptable topics? Does anyone else allow you to dictate what they think and write? If you answered "NO" to all these questions, GET A LIFE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:25:30 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser In a message dated 9/17/2001 6:56:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rburns@execpc.com writes: > Long-time Lurker here - could you nice folks please take this off the list > and simply email each other directly? I see plenty of this kind of > exchange already without having the "basia-people" version too. > > Sorry...I almost forgot to thank you for couching your ridiculous demand in such polite and genteel language. And by the way...didn't you read the posts about calling names? "Basia-people" indeed! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:04:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Burns Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 VOKALYZER@aol.com wrote: > Sorry...I almost forgot to thank you for couching your ridiculous demand in > such polite and genteel language. Thanks for the personal abuse, I was running low. At least I was polite and I signed my name, "vokalyzer". Good luck in the future, Basia-listers. I enjoyed my many years on the list, but I'll look for the "next ablum heads-up" somewhere else. - -- - -Robert Loaded down with your talents; Can you still keep your balance? - Emerson, Lake & Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:56:16 -0700 From: "Maria Luisa Jimenez" Subject: No longer about Basia. . . I have read all the posts. Agree with some, am scared to death by others and understand the fear and anger that runs throughout all of them. . . So, why do I like Basia? Why do I lurk on this list? Because she offers a beautiful and wonderful version of the world. What I get from this list is being able to feel connected to other people who also FEEL what Basia's voice brings us. I am disturbed that someone on the list has threatened to forward our emails to the FBI. That a person was attacked for their religious beliefs. That a person mentioned destroying an entire country. I hope that we can get back to the point of this list. I'm already inundated with the horror of the world everywhere else. So, please, if you continue to post about this, make your subjects line clear that it is not about Basia. I have my finger poised over the delete button. Maria Luisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:45:07 +0100 From: Dirk Pilat Subject: another topic please. Ola! As we are seemingly stuck in a good old fashioned flame war (I always thought that they dies out in the early nineties) I was just going to ask something else quickly and then start lurking again and delete all the hatemail: A chap over on the Matt Bianco Mailinglist recently told me he wanted to get Basia and Matt Bianco back together. The timing is not bad: Basia seems to be almost out of the business and needs some coverage and Mark and Mark are just starting to write for their eleventh album. Any ideas on that? Dirk (....and please, could this list become the nice, pleasant Basia List of yonder again? Thanks.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:02:14 EDT From: NewtonBuss@aol.com Subject: New guy on the list Hi - I am new to the Basia list - I had joined years before and have recently rejoined in interest of finding out any info on a new album from Basia - Has she quit singing - what is the deal? I have seen sites on the web that have said the new album will be out in Spring 2000 - then Fall 2000 - then early 2001 - now, I think people have given up on her. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . > I hope that we can get back to the point of this > list. I'm already inundated > with the horror of the world everywhere else. > > So, please, if you continue to post about this, make > your subjects line > clear that it is not about Basia. I have my finger > poised over the delete > button. Very, very well put. Let me second that. Forgive my bluntness here, but everyone: get over it. Expressing grief is one thing, pro-Christian/anti-Christian griping (sure isn't a debate) and this weird IRA thing need to go. And if you guys are going to call out people to the authorities, please be considerate of the rest of us who sure as heck don't want to be associated with anything that heavy. TAKE IT PRIVATE. Some of you are lucky this isn't a moderated list, in other forums, you'd be locked out by now. I'm here for escapism, dammit. - --Leslie, loves her delete button __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:44:20 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser Bullying language!! we in England are attacked by the IRA you Americans attack as you please when you please and yet you say nobody attacks you period dictatorship or a smell of Hitler - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve O'Hearn" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: RE: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > MCH - > > What if America *DID* do something to provoke it? Would that change > anything? > > Not saying we did, not saying we didn't. Just asking. > > I'm still trying to sort this entire thing out. > > - Steve > > P.S. And no matter what - NOBODY attacks America and gets away with it. > Period. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MCH > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:30 AM > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > > > > > > > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has > > tasted what > > > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the > > > club > > > > You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that > > US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more > > than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your > > phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal > > satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't > > like that > > smell. > > > > > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why > > people hate > > > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally > > without sin that we > > > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to > > put right > > > > That's bullshit. > > > > When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to > > "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the > > victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of > > self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all > > communication has been lost, and death is certain. > > > > Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? > > (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) > > > > And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly > > those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to > > provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest > > of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and > > our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from > > the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation > > of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:50:43 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser Afghanistan population got left with the Taliban rulw when the Americans left them high and dry.Think of the innocent woman and children already starving and living in tents.Woman are not recognised and are raped only to be blamed because it is their fault.Afghanistan people are an intelligent race run by animals.For Afghanistan to simply cease to exist these innocents become another Hiroshimer.Tell that to those people living a living hell on earth.Why o Why are you so dammed insular as a race??? - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "MCH" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has tasted what > > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the > > club > > You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that > US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more > than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your > phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal > satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't like that > smell. > > > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why people hate > > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally without sin that we > > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to put right > > That's bullshit. > > When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to > "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the > victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of > self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all > communication has been lost, and death is certain. > > Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? > (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) > > And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly > those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to > provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest > of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and > our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from > the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation > of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:22:50 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: another topic please. Basia lives by us here in Kent in England but has not been heard from just seen - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Pilat" To: "basia" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: another topic please. > > Ola! > > As we are seemingly stuck in a good old fashioned flame war (I always > thought that they dies out in the early nineties) I was just going to ask > something else quickly and then start lurking again and delete all the > hatemail: > > A chap over on the Matt Bianco Mailinglist recently told me he wanted to get > Basia and Matt Bianco back together. The timing is not bad: Basia seems to > be almost out of the business and needs some coverage and Mark and Mark are > just starting to write for their eleventh album. > > Any ideas on that? > > Dirk > > (....and please, could this list become the nice, pleasant Basia List of > yonder again? Thanks.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:02:32 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: Re the panic Try living with the threat of the IRA each day like we have to only to find that the weapons bombs and funding comes direct from the good old USA - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Re the panic > > You can't possibly be implying that the US government supports the IRA in any > way, can you? Nor can you have possibly forgotten the many, many years and > the innumerable times America has kept Europe from being overrun by one > ideology or another, in spite of the fact that the governments of Europe > chastise, criticize, berate and ridicule our country at every possible > opportunity. Maybe you believe NATO would be just as strong without the > participation of American forces. Here's hoping you never have to find out... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:10:04 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser Funny thing Steve I thought that they did attack America with your own planes trained in your own country by people living among your own and yes they did get away with it because those people are now dead living with their Allah - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve O'Hearn" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: RE: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > MCH - > > What if America *DID* do something to provoke it? Would that change > anything? > > Not saying we did, not saying we didn't. Just asking. > > I'm still trying to sort this entire thing out. > > - Steve > > P.S. And no matter what - NOBODY attacks America and gets away with it. > Period. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MCH > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:30 AM > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > > > > > > > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has > > tasted what > > > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to the > > > club > > > > You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that > > US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more > > than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your > > phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal > > satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't > > like that > > smell. > > > > > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why > > people hate > > > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally > > without sin that we > > > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to > > put right > > > > That's bullshit. > > > > When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to > > "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the > > victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of > > self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all > > communication has been lost, and death is certain. > > > > Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? > > (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) > > > > And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly > > those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to > > provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest > > of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and > > our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from > > the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation > > of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:28:34 +0100 From: "Andrew Fribbens" Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . The weird IRA thing is felt strongly here in England outside your insular world.Our kids here are constantly at threat as are any body that lives and works in the city.Weird on;ly to those hidden away from it all Anne - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Brown" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . > > > I hope that we can get back to the point of this > > list. I'm already inundated > > with the horror of the world everywhere else. > > > > So, please, if you continue to post about this, make > > your subjects line > > clear that it is not about Basia. I have my finger > > poised over the delete > > button. > > Very, very well put. Let me second that. > > Forgive my bluntness here, but everyone: get over it. > Expressing grief is one thing, > pro-Christian/anti-Christian griping (sure isn't a > debate) and this weird IRA thing need to go. And if > you guys are going to call out people to the > authorities, please be considerate of the rest of us > who sure as heck don't want to be associated with > anything that heavy. TAKE IT PRIVATE. Some of you are > lucky this isn't a moderated list, in other forums, > you'd be locked out by now. > > I'm here for escapism, dammit. > > --Leslie, loves her delete button > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . > The weird IRA thing is felt strongly here in England > outside your insular > world. To clarify (as I should have earlier) 'Weird' in the context that it entered the conversation out of nowhere, and 'weird' in that this is not the IRA debate list. And, my world is hardly "insular." Since you don't know me, you can hardly call judgement on me based upon my nationality. Making sweeping generalizations about the Americans on this list isn't really going to help anyone see your point of view, no matter how valid. Just a thought. - --Leslie __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:20:13 -0400 From: "LMB" Subject: RE: No longer about Basia. . . I also agree that this thread should have been taken elsewhere but, before it goes away, I would like to say that I very much resent the use of the phrase "your insular world". You are painting with a pretty broad brush aren't you? Oh, and by the way, not ALL Americans happen to be "hidden away from it all". There are other, more appropriate mailing lists where you can air your opinions about politics, race, religion, etc. Why don't you check them out and come back when you feel like getting back on topic. A CANADIAN who cares... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Fribbens Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:29 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . The weird IRA thing is felt strongly here in England outside your insular world.Our kids here are constantly at threat as are any body that lives and works in the city.Weird on;ly to those hidden away from it all Anne - ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Brown" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . > > > I hope that we can get back to the point of this > > list. I'm already inundated > > with the horror of the world everywhere else. > > > > So, please, if you continue to post about this, make > > your subjects line > > clear that it is not about Basia. I have my finger > > poised over the delete > > button. > > Very, very well put. Let me second that. > > Forgive my bluntness here, but everyone: get over it. > Expressing grief is one thing, > pro-Christian/anti-Christian griping (sure isn't a > debate) and this weird IRA thing need to go. And if > you guys are going to call out people to the > authorities, please be considerate of the rest of us > who sure as heck don't want to be associated with > anything that heavy. TAKE IT PRIVATE. Some of you are > lucky this isn't a moderated list, in other forums, > you'd be locked out by now. > > I'm here for escapism, dammit. > > --Leslie, loves her delete button > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:44:09 +0100 From: Dirk Pilat Subject: Re: another topic please. on 17/9/01 20:22, Andrew Fribbens at Abbeyj@btinternet.com wrote: > > Basia lives by us here in Kent in England but has not been heard from just > seen Known. Gosh, what is he like... D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:00:21 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . > it goes away, I would like to say that I very much resent the use of the > phrase "your insular world". You are painting with a pretty broad brush Amen. I keep hearing this "insulated Americans" crap over and over from bleeding hearts who want to blame America. I really don't know who the hell they are talking about. I think secretly they all identify with the terrorists and in their shitty hearts they *want* it to happen to America. "To keep the winners from losing you have to keep the losers away from the winners." -(From "3 AM Thoughts of MCH") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:18:01 -0700 From: Laura Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . I can not in anyway comprehend so much hate...now I am seeing it appear on a list that obviously has MANY Nationalities, ALL of which have at least one thing in common: The love for "Basia" and her special music....listen to the music :) remember...it takes more energy to hate than it does to Love... LC MCH wrote: > > it goes away, I would like to say that I very much resent the use of the > > phrase "your insular world". You are painting with a pretty broad brush > > Amen. I keep hearing this "insulated Americans" crap over and over > from bleeding hearts who want to blame America. I really don't know > who the hell they are talking about. I think secretly they all > identify with the terrorists and in their shitty hearts they *want* it to > happen to America. > > "To keep the winners from losing you have to keep the losers > away from the winners." > > -(From "3 AM Thoughts of MCH") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:49:12 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathizer What a bunch of bull sheet rock. I have never been so disgusted to say that I to am English. I was also back in the '70 's within 4 blocks of an IRA car bombing however that is now excuse for what you have been saying. How long have you been on this list? People have been here for years and its idiots like you who sit there miles away making threats and think they are such a big person, when in fact all you are doing is to show what a sniveling piece of snot you are. Oh and by the way although I live in the USA and am very proud of the opportunity that this country has given me, never forget what the British ourselves have done over the years in the name of the *EMPIRE* to people in other countries. Get over it. This is not a list for you and your petty tails of wow. If you want to talk about this subject further then I suggest that you go to one of the many Alt.bullcsheetrock.groups that would be only to pleased to listen to your pint of view. bfn bobr At 07:44 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Bullying language!! we in England are attacked by the IRA you Americans >attack as you please when you please and yet you say nobody attacks you >period dictatorship or a smell of Hitler > > >------------------------------------ >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! >http://www.eboom.com/free/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve O'Hearn" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:54 PM >Subject: RE: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > > > > MCH - > > > > What if America *DID* do something to provoke it? Would that change > > anything? > > > > Not saying we did, not saying we didn't. Just asking. > > > > I'm still trying to sort this entire thing out. > > > > - Steve > > > > P.S. And no matter what - NOBODY attacks America and gets away with it. > > Period. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MCH > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:30 AM > > > To: basia@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach as seen at this time is a good start. Now the USA has > > > tasted what > > > > many other countries have had to suffer for so many years,Welcome to >the > > > > club > > > > > > You forget that New York has already been bombed, in 1993--and that > > > US outposts have already suffered terrorist bombings--as much or more > > > than other nations--for many years. I'm personally offended by your > > > phrase "welcome to the club"; it smells like you have a bit of personal > > > satisfaction or vindication that these attacks occurred. I don't > > > like that > > > smell. > > > > > > > most important thing for us all to do is try to understand why > > > people hate > > > > so much to commit these kind of acts. Are we all totally > > > without sin that we > > > > can cast the stone ???? Some understanding is needed to try to > > > put right > > > > > > That's bullshit. > > > > > > When terrorists attack it is very important NOT to > > > "try to understand". That's cowardice, and "blaming the > > > victim". Withholding dialog is the first requirement of > > > self-defense, so that the enemy realizes that all > > > communication has been lost, and death is certain. > > > > > > Would you have also "tried to understand" the Nazis? > > > (Yeah, now it *IS* relevant... sorry.) > > > > > > And yes, we are without sin. America, and most certainly > > > those 5000 people, didn't do A SINGLE THING to > > > provoke this. Yes, we can cast the stone--with the cleanest > > > of clean conscience. Let us hope that our military, and > > > our allies, will start by erasing the Taliban death-monks from > > > the face of the earth, to the last man; let us pray that the nation > > > of Afghanistan in its current form, simply ceases to exist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:50:06 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser At 07:50 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Afghanistan population got left with the Taliban rulw when the Americans >left them high and dry.Think of the innocent woman and children already >starving and living in tents.Woman are not recognised and are raped only to >be blamed because it is their fault.Afghanistan people are an intelligent >race run by animals.For Afghanistan to simply cease to exist these innocents >become another Hiroshimer.Tell that to those people living a living hell on >earth.Why o Why are you so dammed insular as a race??? Oh and the British never did this in India???????? bfn bobr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:51:16 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: another topic please. At 08:22 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Basia lives by us here in Kent in England but has not been heard from just >seen Well then go around to her house and kick her a swift kick up the Kyser Pass and tell her to get on with it. bfn bobr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:52:06 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: The Smell of a Sympathiser At 08:10 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Funny thing Steve I thought that they did attack America with your own >planes trained in your own country by people living among your own and yes >they did get away with it because those people are now dead living with >their Allah If that is what you and they choose to believe then so be it. bfn bobr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:53:16 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: Re the panic At 08:02 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >Try living with the threat of the IRA each day like we have to only to find >that the weapons bombs and funding comes direct from the good old USA Did it for years thank you. However never had your s(*&&y outlook on things. bfn bobr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:54:17 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: No longer about Basia. . . At 08:28 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >The weird IRA thing is felt strongly here in England outside your insular >world.Our kids here are constantly at threat as are any body that lives and >works in the city.Weird on;ly to those hidden away from it all >Anne Anne I suggest that you go get professional help with your problems. bfn bobr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:20:52 -0600 From: eescoto@bcie.org Subject: War is stupid! Remember the song "When the children cry", that's exactly what is happening right now with hundred million children around the world, i stop my car in a traffic light and 8 dirty hungry children ask me for food, burned for the strongly sun. Cleaning the car's windows fo US$ 0.01 if the driver want to. Thousend of old people suffering cold, rain, without a roof, no bed, no love, just waiting to die and let this crue world. USA, England, Spain, France, and to many other powerfull countries have done horrible things around the world, but that's past, let's start again but making well to someone. It's easy to talk when you are in a nice place with air conditioning and food in your refrigirator. Don't expend energy with stupid Discusion. If you are so intelligent make well. Have a nice day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:39:32 -0400 From: pineking@gwi.net Subject: Re: Re the panic Ah yes, perhaps, but who in the good ole USA provides that funding? Which is the transplanted Irish themselves, come here to better themselves personally and financially, is the actual fact of the matter, my dear. Believe me there is much talk of a worldwide network of terrorists that includes the IRA in cahoots with bin Laden and his ilk, and eventually they will all be rooted out (the IRA is now known to operate in South America) and we will all once more safely listen to Basia's pure music in our homes, many of which are in Belfast, London, Warsaw and New York. Phil From: "Andrew Fribbens" To: Subject: Re: Re the panic Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:02:32 +0100 Send reply to: basia@smoe.org > > Try living with the threat of the IRA each day like we have to only to > find that the weapons bombs and funding comes direct from the good old > USA > > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, > 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Re the panic > > > > > > You can't possibly be implying that the US government supports the > > IRA in > any > > way, can you? Nor can you have possibly forgotten the many, many > > years > and > > the innumerable times America has kept Europe from being overrun by > > one ideology or another, in spite of the fact that the governments > > of Europe chastise, criticize, berate and ridicule our country at > > every possible opportunity. Maybe you believe NATO would be just as > > strong without the participation of American forces. Here's hoping > > you never have to find > out... ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #94 **************************