From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #92 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, September 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Morons? [into_the_arena@webtv.net] Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan [jp ] RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan ["Brian Cundieff" ] RE: Morons? ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan ["Paul S. Fish" ] RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan ["Steve O'Hearn" ] RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan ["Steve O'Hearn" ] More Fire Than Flame ["Steve O'Hearn" ] Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan [VOKALYZER@aol.com] What Really Matters ["John Palcher" ] RE: What Really Matters ["Steve O'Hearn" ] If you're not happy, use that Delete Key! [Brainerd/Racine Ink ] Re: Basia on Muzak [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: (no subject) [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan [Bob Rumsby ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 02:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: RE: Morons? Hello: Yes this was a day of prayer and mourning. But the post in question was a bizarre thing that didn't dwell so much on anything but proselytyzing, thats how I saw it. And if I recall, a lot of us complained about the Britney Spears-Nazi thing but I don't think anyone resorted to name calling. The simple statement I wrote kind of made sense to me as these flame wars always stem from just these kind of discussions. And this is a music list. All we need is someone with an agenda, with a captive audience and armed with a keyboard. "Morons" huh? I guess that is a testament to your 'faith'. Hypocrites always come right through. I enjoyed the many good, interesting people I've 'met' on this list, but as soon as I am called a name I think it's time to go. Received: from smtpin-102-11.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.236) by storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 10DA31AC; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: into_the_arena@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-102-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id F0B66123 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8F43Jv1026491; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f8F43GCf026482; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:02:44 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8F42fv1026361 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f8F42dmC026360 for basia-outgoing; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8F42Xv1026338 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 15i6ez-0002oW-00 for basia@smoe.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:02:29 +0000 Received: from [63.188.108.233] (helo=jkwq101) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp id 15i6ey-0003ne-00 for basia@smoe.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:02:29 +0000 From: "Steve O'Hearn" To: Subject: RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <18277-3BA2CF72-1123@storefull-616.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Sender: owner-basia@smoe.org Reply-To: basia@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Hey Morons - This list has had so many off-topic tangents, that I really can't believe someone is actually putting their foot down about mentioning God on the day established by the President of the United States as the official day of prayer and mourning over the single worst unprovoked act of war committed in world history. But rants about whether or not Britney Spears dances like a Nazi - THAT'S ok. Get real. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > into_the_arena@webtv.net > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:48 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan > > > > >"Please keep your religious views OFF the > >list." Jim P. > > Drat it...does that mean my 4500-word treatise > on Wicca has to be scrapped? > :-) > I agree 100%; political and/or religious discussions should be taken to > lists pertaining to those subjects. > For something ON TOPIC... I was having a few beers with a buddy last > night and he saw my "Time And Tide" cd and asked about it. This guy had > never heard of Basia (he's 25, a full > decade my junior) but he liked it well enough that he asked to borrow > it. And he's not a fan > of that style of music either. > Basia could make some new-generation fans, I know it. > > New ASIA cd info here: > http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:14:37 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan Realize that while people in America pray to God at this time, there are millions in the middle east giving thanks to God for what they have done to help destroy us ugly Americans. We certainly think we are "right", but they think they are "right", too. Besides, I'm an atheist. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:56:49 -0400 From: jp Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan At 07:14 AM 9/15/01 EDT, you wrote: > >Realize that while people in America pray to God at this time, there are >millions in the middle east giving thanks to God for what they have done to >help destroy us ugly Americans. We certainly think we are "right", but they >think they are "right", too. > >Besides, I'm an atheist. > >Jim P. > I have only this to say. I'm on many lists - other artists, Toyota Land Cruisers, Mercedes, music hardware, even one for people who have been banned from other lists for using bad language and starting flame wars. I've always said this Basia list has the most interesting people - the most intelligent - and is the most unusual. Now this is the only list I'm on that's close to beginning a flame war over this topic. Interesting. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:02:34 +0900 From: "Brian Cundieff" Subject: RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan The name calling is inappropriate, but can I suggest that we not start fighting about this? Please, not now. - -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:59:36 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Morons? > Hello: > Yes this was a day of prayer and mourning. But the post in question > was a bizarre thing that didn't dwell so much on anything but > proselytyzing, thats how I saw it. I guess I thought that this Basia List realized that there are a surprising number of Christians who are big fans. Her unusually positive lyrics, her clean and inspiring themes, and her exquisite qualities, both melodically, rhythmically, and lyrically, are amazingly refreshing in an entertainment industry that generally assaults the senses with crude, gutter-level approaches that range from anarchistic rap to pornographic Madonna videos to junk that is just so plain stupid that the artist HAS to be some recording studio executive's nephew. Basia stands out as an unusually brilliant, unusually inspiring, unusually refreshing alternative. And thus, a surprising number of Christians are attracted to her music. Given that - on Friday, the National Day of Prayer and Mourning OF ALL DAYS, just LET A CHRISTIAN SPEAK without trying to shut him up, as is done on every other freaking day. I'm sorry, but I've just had it with the anti-Christians in this country. It's just immensely frustrating and incredibly hypocritical in this nation that any other idea, philosophy, or idea is allowed and encouraged. If a Democrat presents ideas, it's their "platform". If a Republican presents ideas, it's their "program". When Howard Stern presents true stories of rape and murder as entertainment, complete with laugh tracks, it's "free speech". But as soon as some Christian, perhaps a little overly enthusiastic, perhaps a little too energetic for your personal liking, simply speaks to express what HE believes, it's attacked, reviled, sarcastically laughed at, and more. Even if it is only this list, don't you realize what is happening in this country right now? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought you people were either mostly Americans, or at least in nations that are rallying around American right now, which is just about everybody with a few minor exceptions. For once, FOR JUST THIS ONCE, NOW OF ALL TIMES, just please, PUH-LLLLEEEEEEZZZEEEE, .... LET IT GO. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:56:20 -0400 From: "Paul S. Fish" Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan >Hey Morons - > >This list has had so many off-topic tangents, that I really can't believe >someone is actually putting their foot down about mentioning God on the day >established by the President of the United States as the official day of >prayer and mourning over the single worst unprovoked act of war committed in >world history. > >But rants about whether or not Britney Spears dances like a Nazi - THAT'S >ok. > >Get real. > >- Steve VERY well said, Steve. Paul - ---- "I'd sell my best friend for some water / I'd cut off my leg for some shade / Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade" UTOPIA "CARAVAN" http://www.marleeonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:09:42 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan Jim P. - There are a few - not "millions" - in the middle east who think they are right. But it is not because of religious beliefs, in spite of what the media wants to manipulate all of us in to thinking. I happened to actually travel to Israel 4 years ago. Their arguments are rarely, rarely presented here in the America media. I heard - and saw - a completely different picture when I was there. However, NOW we are getting into a major, MAJOR tangent here. And I won't do that. If anyone wishes to continue THAT discussion, contact me directly. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > JPovlock@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:15 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan > > > > Realize that while people in America pray to God at this time, there are > millions in the middle east giving thanks to God for what they > have done to > help destroy us ugly Americans. We certainly think we are > "right", but they > think they are "right", too. > > Besides, I'm an atheist. > > Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:19:50 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan I completely agree. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Brian Cundieff > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:03 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan > > > > The name calling is inappropriate, but can I suggest that we not start > fighting about this? Please, not now. > > -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:24:25 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: More Fire Than Flame > but as soon as I am called a name I think it's time to go. Just to clarify, the name calling started when the Christian post was attacked. To quote: "Just goes to prove that not all the 'crazies' are Islamics." And yes, I stooped the same level to defend the Christian post, and responded in kind, I confess, with the word "moron". Naturally, the attack on the Christian wasn't critized by anyone other than me, but my defense of the Christian post has been critized by quite a few of you. This is exactly the hypocrisy I am talking about. And I guess my "response in kind" must mean that the entirety of Christianity, and all Christians everywhere, are completely wrong, losers, and jerks? Isn't that where this is going? But - having made my point - I'll stop, assuming you all do, too. It's just that I'm *SO GOOD* at flame wars! Really! You haven't seen ANYTHING yet! Why God chose to bless me with the Gift of Sarcasm, I have no idea. It's so frustrating. Most of my Christian friends don't like it. You don't ever get the praise for that as you get for, oh, I dunno, jazz piano. *sigh* I guess you could say that sarcasm is a "sweetest illusion". - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:35:30 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan It's sad enough that it takes a calamity of this magnitude for us to forget our differences for a moment and recognize our commonality...it's sadder still that even as we struggle to deal with our shock and grief, we are already re-separating. This list probably isn't the place for preaching the gospel, but it did start people posting again (I know I hadn't felt like it). But it evidently touched at least one person. Conversely, once you put your views out here, they're fair game (as many of you demonstrate to me from time to time). But we usually don't resort to name-calling. Most of us are a bit more articulate than that. My personal view on the religion question is that there may be many ways to the Creator, in which case we're probably all cool. Then again, there may be only one right way. If that's the case, maybe your particular belief system is the one, and you hit the giant spiritual jackpot. Or, maybe none of them are correct and we're all bozos on this bus. It's an ideological crapshoot; but don't worry. Your chance to find the truth comes all too soon. Oh, one more thing...will someone tell me what a "flame war" is? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:36:59 -0400 From: "John Palcher" Subject: What Really Matters Okay, this is my two cents worth. I will have to say that I am very disappointed about this little "flame war." Despite the recent terrorist tragedy, we have let this piddly argument occur. It is times like these that I reflect on my life at what arguments, disagreements, fights, personal strife, problems, etc., that I have and compare them to this horrific day in world history. And I think in the grand scheme of things, what is more important to spend our time on, concentrate on healing all the pain or misery, pray for all of those affected by the tragedy, to comfort friends or loved ones, or have an argument over a disagreement about what was said or name-calling? I think the answer is obvious. Think of what is really important in life. Let's put this behind us and all remain as members of this list. We've all joined for one reason, and that's all that really matters. raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:51:06 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: What Really Matters I agree. From now on, if a Christian speaks out, let him. If you disagree, just say so. No name-calling. ("crazies"). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > John Palcher > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:37 PM > To: Basia List > Subject: What Really Matters > > > > Okay, this is my two cents worth. I will have to say that I am very > disappointed about this little "flame war." Despite the recent terrorist > tragedy, we have let this piddly argument occur. It is times like these > that I reflect on my life at what arguments, disagreements, > fights, personal > strife, problems, etc., that I have and compare them to this > horrific day in > world history. And I think in the grand scheme of things, what is more > important to spend our time on, concentrate on healing all the pain or > misery, pray for all of those affected by the tragedy, to comfort > friends or > loved ones, or have an argument over a disagreement about what was said or > name-calling? I think the answer is obvious. Think of what is really > important in life. > > Let's put this behind us and all remain as members of this list. > We've all > joined for one reason, and that's all that really matters. > > raburabu > joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:08:53 -0700 From: Brainerd/Racine Ink Subject: If you're not happy, use that Delete Key! hey Steve and other Basia friends! I am the knucklehead who sparked up this list again when I was just looking for updated info on Basia's website. I enjoy some off-topic tangents on all my listserves, and I belong to a weird mixture of lists: West Point parents (our son is a junior there), homeschooling resources (our other son is being homeschooled), Unitarian Universalist liberal outreach programs, former Peace Corps Volunteers and you, my Basia-lovers! The one thing in common among these disparate groups is that at one time or another, this always seems to happen: The more outgoing members argue about what's appropriate to be posted, what should be censored or disallowed etc. I've always found this odd, because--while I am a 50-year-old woman handicapped with severe rheumatoid arthritis and bent fingers--my right index finger is always able to press the delete key! Lee One Moron in Altadena, CA P.S. Bravo to person who grabbed the tentative new Basia fan--keep recruiting, everyone! At 12:06 AM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hey Morons - > >This list has had so many off-topic tangents, that I really can't believe >someone is actually putting their foot down about mentioning God on the day >established by the President of the United States as the official day of >prayer and mourning over the single worst unprovoked act of war committed in >world history. > >But rants about whether or not Britney Spears dances like a Nazi - THAT'S >ok. > >Get real. > >- Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:39:29 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) I'm going to make a short statement on the religion flame war I suppose I started. At this point in time, if anyone were to say a generic "let's say a prayer for all the people who died and their families", I would wholeheartedly agree. But when someone posts seven or eight paragraphs about "his" God, and how "his" way is "the" way, I will have to get out the ol' flamethrower and turn it on high. That's my point of view. The end. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:41:45 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) On a much happier note, I was on vacation in North Carolina last week. What a great place :) Anyway, I was in a brand new super Wal-Mart in Moorehead City, and I heard "My Cruel Ways". I can't recall ever hearing anything from TSI on Muzak, and that was probably the last song I'd expect to hear. Anyone else ever hear that song in a store? Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:10:00 -0400 From: "Paul S. Fish" Subject: Basia on Muzak Can't say I've ever heard "My Cruel Ways" on Muzak, but I have heard "Who's Side Are You On", "Time And Tide", "New Day For You", "Promises", "Cruising For Bruising", "Baby You're Mine", "Until You Come Back To Me" and "Yearning". Not too shabby. Paul - ---- "I'd sell my best friend for some water / I'd cut off my leg for some shade / Sunburn these thoughts from my memory / If I live I will be remade" UTOPIA "CARAVAN" http://www.marleeonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:32:38 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Basia on Muzak You really heard "Yearning" on Muzak?? Damn! Might just be her most impressive song......................... Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:58:50 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) In a message dated 9/15/2001 7:40:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JPovlock@aol.com writes: > JPovlock@aol.com > I agree with Jim. I take for granted that everyone on this list has some sort of belief system, but I won't bash you with mine if you don't bludgeon me with yours. Having said that, I'm sure that we all are praying for the healing of our nation and the families of each person who needlessly died, the safety of all the rescue workers still working in the "pit," and the reestablishment of the security of our lives, and we are doing so in whatever way seems best to each of us. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:07:10 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: WEEKEND.... New Basia fan I have only been a lurker on this list for the past 2 years (expect when I do hear news from Peter or Danny White. I work 2 blocks south of what used to be the Twin Towers. I witnessed with my own eyes the second plane ramming the tower. I witnessed with my own eyes the first tower coming down, and was attempting to get away for the area when the second tower collapsed. Being in the street and in the open with a cloud of black smoke and rubble is not my way of spending a Tuesday morning. I was also glad that I was one of the many that got away. It was not a very pleasant experience to say the least. Now Ms Basia has not put out a complete new album for X years and has only titillated us with a partial album with Clear Horizon. The news is not good for a new album to be released for quiet a while yet. Now there is only so much that you can say about the past albums of Basia. Lets hope that the occasional off topic posting can be accepted. bfn BobR ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #92 **************************