From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #79 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, September 2 2001 Volume 06 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Britney (beating into the ground...) [Leslie Brown ] Re: Music Industry Future ["MCH" ] Re: Britney [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: Britney [John Flood ] Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs [Lipman_Larry ] Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs [Bob Rumsby ] Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs [Stephen Ylvisaker ] Re: Consumer Future [Stephen Ylvisaker ] Fw: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs ["Steve Richardson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Britney (beating into the ground...) > (hurt) What's wrong with Technotronic? :-) LOL > (btw, I hate baseball too. SORRY!) Yeah, I don't care for it much either. Boring. But it would be nice if the Tigers win. :-) > That's what really bugs me, I think... > the idea that we're SUPPOSED to like Britney > (ie, if you're "normal")... But maybe I went too > far. I defintely don't think *normal* people like Britney. If there were 'normal' people on this list anyway, well, they wouldn't be on the Basia ML. ;-D And, well, I don;t get all the brouhaha over what I felt was kinda minor. It wasn't like you were on here saying you like Nazis are real snappy dancers. It was what came to your mind first, so be it. First thing that came to my mind was 'robot.' Doesn't mean I'm anti-human. LOL Besides, lots of people think that corporate creations are evil. See Adbusters. - --Leslie just being difficult. Remember, I've been having a brutal deadline! Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:15:07 +0900 From: "Brian Cundieff" Subject: RE: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Brown > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:36 AM > You made me laugh...you are forgiven. (LOL!) Whew! I'm relieved. :-) And pleased I could deliver a laugh or two. - -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:15:02 +0900 From: "Brian Cundieff" Subject: RE: Music Industry Future > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Brown > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:36 AM > -> Probably synthesize a "star persona" > > also, photo/video image > > of a totally nonexistent performer... > > I think they already did this in Japan. Brian? A year or two ago, there was a lot of hoopla here over the first "virtual idol." I don't remember if she sang, but she was basically a computer generated animated "chick." People (mostly men, as you might guess) were standing in queues for hours to buy collections of "photos" of her. It was kinda silly. Apparently there have been a whole bunch of copycat virtual idols since then. I sometimes see their DVDs on sale in convenience stores. But I believe the voices are still recorded rather than synthesized from scratch. But that's probably not too far off. Anyway, I can't concentrate on such things right now. I just saw a TV commercial in which a toilet/bidet sprays water up the "buttcrack" of a giant apricot. Japan. Gotta love it! (or you'll go nuts living here!) ...Wonder if they were trying to sell toilets or apricots... - -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:18:38 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: Music Industry Future > A year or two ago, there was a lot of hoopla here over the first "virtual > idol." I don't remember if she sang, but she was basically a computer > generated animated "chick." People (mostly men, as you might guess) were > standing in queues for hours to buy collections of "photos" of her. It was > kinda silly. Apparently there have been a whole bunch of copycat virtual > idols since then. I sometimes see their DVDs on sale in convenience stores. > But I believe the voices are still recorded rather than synthesized from > scratch. But that's probably not too far off. Anyway, I can't concentrate on Scary, I thought I was just idly speculating. But apparently it's really going to go that way. I'm sure the executives would all prefer a computer star who never tires, works 24 hrs at 2000 Mhz, evolving new songs perfectly to specification and market data. Rooms full of college students and unemployed dot-commers will be linked in to hear and rate Ms. Computer Diva's spewings, homing in on the catchy clips (rapid prototyping). > such things right now. I just saw a TV commercial in which a toilet/bidet > sprays water up the "buttcrack" of a giant apricot. Japan. Gotta love it! > (or you'll go nuts living here!) ...Wonder if they were trying to sell > toilets or apricots... Japan, they're WAY ahead of us! A paradigm of the consumer future... "Up Yours!" (sounds better in Japanese I'm sure...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:04:31 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: Britney What videos is this guy looking at? Synchronized dance steps, executed in unison, have a long and wonderful tradition, dating back to the days of the Temptations and beyond... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:11:59 -0700 From: John Flood Subject: Re: Britney Rockettes!!!! VOKALYZER@aol.com wrote: > What videos is this guy looking at? Synchronized dance steps, executed in > unison, have a long and wonderful tradition, dating back to the days of the > Temptations and beyond... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 17:28:32 -0500 From: Lipman_Larry Subject: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs At 01:15 AM 8/31/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:36:22 -0700 >From: "Steve Richardson" >Subject: Fw: Music Industry Future > >...Thus we could have Basia and band performing "Abbey Road," or "Court & >Spark," ... Court & Spars...now THERE is a phenomenal work of art... I'd had the album for years and it was the first CD I ever bought (there wasn't much out there when I bought my first CD player). To this day, I can't believe the journey that album takes you through...and how the musicianship and performance are so much a part of the magic of that album. It really represents a case where the sum is greater than the individual parts. The songs are incredible, but it is the nuances of each musician's performance that really conveys the material. Wow! Memory City! - ------------------------------ >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:33:53 -0400 >From: "Dennis J. Majewicz" > >I hate to say it out loud, but I agree with Larry. (BTW, thanks to Larry for >getting the list active again.) Just practicing my Roach persona.... BTW...someone posted info about Peter and David Benoit...David is a fantastic person....have had the very good fortune to meet him on several occasions...he was in Memphis this July but I couldn't drop by...Does anyone know whether the Xmas concert will swing this way?.... - -------------------------------- RE: The Corrs I don't really recall why I started exploring this group, but I first became aware of them after hearing the album "Forgiven Not Forgotten". I especially liked the songs Runaway and Leave Me Alone. There are multiple versions of these songs scattered across their other albums, but I think these renditions are the best. Interestingly, I have two other albums by them (Talk on Corners) and their latest (with Breathless), neither of which I like all that much. I started looking at the credits of the album I like and realized it was produced by uber-producer David Foster! He seems to have captured and embraced their Celtic flavor within the pop sound, rather than abandoning it as did the producer in their latest (Breathless) album. I think that's why I don't like their latest stuff...they've abandoned the Celtic flavor that was woven throughout the arrangements in the Forgiven album. It's kinda sad really... LL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:42:43 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs Court and Spark oughta be in everyone's CD collection - even Britney's :) Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:49:10 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs >Just practicing my Roach persona.... >BTW...someone posted info about Peter and David Benoit...David is a >fantastic person....have had the very good fortune to meet him on several >occasions...he was in Memphis this July but I couldn't drop by...Does >anyone know whether the Xmas concert will swing this way?.... Sorry according to the list that I have does not show Memphis. Atlanta yes, 2 shows Dec 8th and 9th. 4 shows in Florida. bfn BobR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:00:52 -0700 From: Stephen Ylvisaker Subject: Re: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs >Court and Spark oughta be in everyone's CD collection - even Britney's :) > >Jim P. I have NO idea who or what you are talking about! Therefore, how can it be in my collection? And, why should it be in my collection of 60's and 70's pop, or my collection of traditional/straight-ahead jazz? "Smooth Jazz" lost it's ability to hold my interest long ago with its plain vanilla, no substance sound. If Basia, and her band, had made some reasonable attempt to improvise, she could easily have gotten played on the "real" jazz stations. However, I think the blame belongs with the marketing departments of her record labels who pigeon-holed her in the pop and "smooth jazz" categories. She could be so much more! Stephen Ylvisaker greyfell@gns2000.com "That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder." - Calvin (& Hobbes) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:01:16 -0700 From: Stephen Ylvisaker Subject: Re: Consumer Future Japan, they're WAY ahead of us! A paradigm of the consumer future... "Up Yours!" (sounds better in Japanese I'm sure...) Yes, if you choose to live by that paradigm. There is a new paradigm. It is taking over in 80+ countries. It is a business model that works analogously and digitally. Rather than allowing 2% of the people to control and profit from the distribution system of goods and services, everybody becomes a part owner and participant in the distribution system. However, 80% of the people will say it will not be worth the personal changes they have to make, and they will continue to contribute to the statistics that 95% of the people (after 40 years of working 2000-3000 hours per year) will be dead, broke or still working (because they need to, not because they love to work, which will be the EXCUSE they will use). Stephen Ylvisakergreyfell@gns2000.com"That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder." - Calvin (& Hobbes) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:04:27 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Court & Spark; Roach; Corrs I'm a bit surprised that anyone could say they have a collection of "70's pop" and not at least be aware that "Court & Spark" is an album by Joni Mitchell. But in any case, it was Joni's greatest (my opinion) album - among her many great releases. And it represented her first step away from the typical folk/pop instrumentation she had always used and towards a jazz (or at least jazz-y) sound. Her back-up band on the album and tour was saxophonist Tom Scott and his band, a moderately successful jazz-rock fusion group. At the time it was a fairly radical step on her part, which she would continue on subsequent forays into jazz instrumentation. I knew several people at the time who said, "I liked the OLD Joni, before she got into jazz." As for Basia, I think she is NOT a jazz singer, but a pop singer/songwriter with jazz (among other) influences. That's just fine with me, I prefer a song stylist like Basia to the jazz singers who lose the melody somewhere along the way. There are plenty of true jazz singers out there, Basia is better off sticking with what she does best. Steve R. > > >Court and Spark oughta be in everyone's CD collection - even Britney's :) > > > >Jim P. > > I have NO idea who or what you are talking about! Therefore, how can > it be in my collection? And, why should it be in my collection of > 60's and 70's pop, or my collection of traditional/straight-ahead > jazz? "Smooth Jazz" lost it's ability to hold my interest long ago > with its plain vanilla, no substance sound. If Basia, and her band, > had made some reasonable attempt to improvise, she could easily have > gotten played on the "real" jazz stations. However, I think the blame > belongs with the marketing departments of her record labels who > pigeon-holed her in the pop and "smooth jazz" categories. She could > be so much more! > > > Stephen Ylvisaker > greyfell@gns2000.com > "That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of > empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder." - > Calvin (& Hobbes) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:09:21 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Court & Spark Steve - you REALLY don't know Court and Spark? That's Joni Mitchell's classic album, featuring Help Me and Free Man In Paris, songs you may be familar with. The musicianship is excellent, featuring guitarist Larry Carlton. There are several other players of note, along with a cameo by Cheech and Chong. Steve - spend the 12 bucks buddy!! Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:16:31 -0700 From: Stephen Ylvisaker Subject: Re: Court & Spark >Steve - you REALLY don't know Court and Spark? That's Joni Mitchell's classic >album, featuring Help Me and Free Man In Paris, songs you may be familar >with. The musicianship is excellent, featuring guitarist Larry Carlton. >There are several other players of note, along with a cameo by Cheech and >Chong. > >Steve - spend the 12 bucks buddy!! > >Jim P. Who's Steve? Stephen Ylvisaker greyfell@gns2000.com "That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder." - Calvin (& Hobbes) ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #79 **************************