From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #77 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, August 31 2001 Volume 06 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Music Industry Future ["Navaira" ] Re: Basia, The Opener. ["Navaira" ] Re: Peter White [Robin Neal ] Re: Music Industry Future [JPovlock@aol.com] Re: Music Industry Future [Bob Rumsby ] RE: history.txt ["Bill McAbee" ] RE: use the internet ["Bill McAbee" ] Re: Britney [into_the_arena@webtv.net] "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) ["Brian Cundieff" ] Fw: Music Industry Future ["Steve Richardson" ] Re: Music Industry Future ["MCH" ] Re: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) [Leslie Brown ] Re: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) [Brainerd/Racine Ink <] Ohio fans ["Gene Stepanik" ] Radio play ["Steve Richardson" ] Basia Opening for Peter White [Beverly Martin ] Re: Ohio fans ["Dennis J. Majewicz" ] Re: roots.txt :) [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: Peter White [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: Britney [VOKALYZER@aol.com] Re: Ohio fans [VOKALYZER@aol.com] RE: Ohio fans ["Clive Hanuschak" ] Re: Peter White [PerfectCaravan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:45:02 +0200 From: "Navaira" Subject: Re: Music Industry Future Hi, >>more tours, but the music industry as it stands now is pathetically >>limiting itself to all have the same sounds with (as far as I'm concerned) >>anonymous interchangeable singers (I refuse to call them artists!). I >>can't tell Britney from Christina from N'snyc... to me this is like Menudo >>-- use 'em up and move on. Ray made an excellent point about an artist I guess one of the digests must have lost me because I have no idea what excellent point I made :) > Just a step on the way toward the inevitable-- > a totally computerized pop music industry. > I expect in 30 yrs., "artists" will be mainly > contributing little bits, notes, and vocal samples. > The software and programmers will do the rest. *sigh* There already *is* a synth that can a) turn your vocal into, say, Barry White, Sade etc. and 2) add vocal harmonies to it afterwards. So I can pretty much imagine a 65 years old sound engineer in Sony singing "Hit me baby one more time", then using AutoTune (aka The Cher Effect, but this was an extreme use of it; it is normally used to correct out-of-tune singing and I can bet Britney sends the AutoTune inventors baskets of flowers every other week), then using the mentioned synth - and then we get a new girlband. Scary... (-) Ray + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:46:35 +0200 From: "Navaira" Subject: Re: Basia, The Opener. > With Peter's growing fame, by the next time Basia tours, she may have to open > the show for him. Which reminds me... on the current Robbie Williams tour New Order are the *opening act*. New Order!!! For Robbie Williams!!! Of course, the people who came to see Robbie have no idea who New Order were, so after some songs Bernard Sumner asked "Are you enjoying yourself?" and they did an obligatory, albeit weak, "yeeeeah" and he said "because it f*ckin doesn't look so." (I read this story on one of the lists I'm on and I hope it wasn't this one :) (-) Ray + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:20:41 -0500 From: Robin Neal Subject: Re: Peter White Sorry - was tired and got that twisted around :-) Thanks for reading my mind!!! Bob Rumsby wrote: > At 10:44 PM 8/29/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >You've got that right!! Wouldn't that be something, Peter White opening for > >Basia and his own brother!! I would definitely go to that show. > > > >Robin > > No. Now it would have to be Ms Basia opening for Peter White. > > BTW if you get a chance this Christmas keep a look out for > his Christmas show in your area with Dave Koz, Rick Braun > and Brenda Russell. > > bfn > Bob R (waiting for the GLOW to appear). [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of taffy.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:13:41 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Music Industry Future Yeah, but does AutoTune have big boobs???? Sorry folks, that's My take on the music industry. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:50:13 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: Music Industry Future *Plastic* surgery can do wonders these days. bfn BobR^ At 10:13 AM 8/30/01 -0400, you wrote: >Yeah, but does AutoTune have big boobs???? > >Sorry folks, that's My take on the music industry. > >Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:15:23 -0600 From: "Bill McAbee" Subject: RE: history.txt I'm still out here lurking but rarely do I post......... Regards, Bill McAbee formerly Dallas, now Denver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:15:29 -0600 From: "Bill McAbee" Subject: RE: use the internet I'd pay for new Basia music, don't care what I have to do to get it! Regards, Bill McAbee - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of tom,kelly&jordan Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:55 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: use the internet What if the Basia and company were to use the internet to distribute the music that they create. Hire a specialist to take all the responsibilities that the record company would do. Maybe send out some of it. Be a little cutting edge and say f*ck the record companies we already know we are not targeting 13 year old Little Debbies. Give the general public a little sample. I'd pay to down load. Would you? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: Re: Britney Reading so many anti-Britney posts here has prompted me to write. If you're using her as an example of the music industry going to the dogs, I think you are off a bit. Britney is nothing more than a bubblegum act for teens and pre-teens. She is not meant for the adult music crowd. Every era has acts like her to one extent or another. I don't think she has any talent, but I don't begrudge her any success. I'd much rather have kids listening to Britney Spears than to gangsta rap, which is also selling very well. Think about it. And I seriously doubt that today's music scene has anything to do with Basia's not being signed. I mean, Enya is still going strong is she not? Basia could most likely get signed in a heartbeat. It might be to a smaller label, but she could get signed. I still think that Basia isn't wanting to get back in the biz, for whatever reason. It's quite possible that she is extremely happy right now and doesn't feel any need to jump back in. New ASIA cd info here: http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:27:08 +0900 From: "Brian Cundieff" Subject: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Brainerd/Racine Ink > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:11 AM > Brian, > > what was Chris Rock's line?? Hope I don't get booted off the list for this. Children, cover your ears! I believe he said, "B*tch, what did you do the FIRST time?!" ...Ladies, forgive me. - -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:01:28 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: Music Industry Future Except that eventually, we don't even need the 65 year old sound engineer. The computer will just do it all. Including "figuring out what people want", based on sales/radio data coming in from online connections to *other* computers. Probably synthesize a "star persona" also, photo/video image of a totally nonexistent performer... but the audiences won't know the difference by 2035 (tech will be good enough)--and they won't even care! Aldous Huxley had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough. > pretty much imagine a 65 years old sound engineer in Sony singing "Hit me > baby one more time", then using AutoTune (aka The Cher Effect, but this was > an extreme use of it; it is normally used to correct out-of-tune singing and > I can bet Britney sends the AutoTune inventors baskets of flowers every > other week), then using the mentioned synth - and then we get a new > girlband. > > Scary... > > (-) Ray > > + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ > [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:36:22 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Fw: Music Industry Future Hey maybe this isn't an entirely bleak vision of the future...they could analyze/digitize all the characteristics of Basia and her band from existing recordings, then apply them to other music recordings. Thus we could have Basia and band performing "Abbey Road," or "Court & Spark," or any of your favorite albums. All without the real Basia ever having to step in front of a microphone. Pretty cool, huh? Seriously...there's going to be some weird stuff in the future. I look at that film "Final Fantasy," wherein they have created very lifelike 'animated' characters. I wonder how long until someone creates a new movie with James Dean or Marilyn Monroe created digitally, interacting with real actors and impossible to tell from the real thing. Steve R. > > Except that eventually, we don't even need the 65 year old sound engineer. > The computer will just do it all. Including "figuring out what people want", > based on sales/radio data coming in from online connections to *other* > computers. Probably synthesize a "star persona" also, photo/video image > of a totally nonexistent performer... but the audiences won't know the > difference by 2035 (tech will be good enough)--and they won't even care! > Aldous Huxley had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough. > > > pretty much imagine a 65 years old sound engineer in Sony singing "Hit me > > baby one more time", then using AutoTune (aka The Cher Effect, but this was > > an extreme use of it; it is normally used to correct out-of-tune singing and > > I can bet Britney sends the AutoTune inventors baskets of flowers every > > other week), then using the mentioned synth - and then we get a new > > girlband. > > > > Scary... > > > > (-) Ray > > > > + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ > > [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:24:39 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: Music Industry Future OK, if Digital Basia does "Abbey Road", who gets the royalties? Beatles, or Basia... or does the digital clone have status as an actual person, in the brave new world, and therefore receives compensation, has a bank account, and (run by the computer) can buy real estate, stocks, sue other digital people, etc.? Maybe that's why we haven't detected life signals in the cosmos. Eventually, civilizations evolve into pure computer systems and the humans become irrelevant animal life devolving back into the jungle. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Richardson To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Fw: Music Industry Future > > Hey maybe this isn't an entirely bleak vision of the future...they could > analyze/digitize all the characteristics of Basia and her band from existing > recordings, then apply them to other music recordings. Thus we could have > Basia and band performing "Abbey Road," or "Court & Spark," or any of your > favorite albums. All without the real Basia ever having to step in front of a > microphone. Pretty cool, huh? > > Seriously...there's going to be some weird stuff in the future. I look at > that film "Final Fantasy," wherein they have created very lifelike 'animated' > characters. I wonder how long until someone creates a new movie with James > Dean or Marilyn Monroe created digitally, interacting with real actors and > impossible to tell from the real thing. > > Steve R. > > > > > > > Except that eventually, we don't even need the 65 year old sound engineer. > > The computer will just do it all. Including "figuring out what people > want", > > based on sales/radio data coming in from online connections to *other* > > computers. Probably synthesize a "star persona" also, photo/video image > > of a totally nonexistent performer... but the audiences won't know the > > difference by 2035 (tech will be good enough)--and they won't even care! > > Aldous Huxley had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough. > > > > > pretty much imagine a 65 years old sound engineer in Sony singing "Hit me > > > baby one more time", then using AutoTune (aka The Cher Effect, but this > was > > > an extreme use of it; it is normally used to correct out-of-tune singing > and > > > I can bet Britney sends the AutoTune inventors baskets of flowers every > > > other week), then using the mentioned synth - and then we get a new > > > girlband. > > > > > > Scary... > > > > > > (-) Ray > > > > > > + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ > > > [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) > believe he said, "B*tch, what did you do the FIRST > time?!" ...Ladies, > forgive me. You made me laugh...you are forgiven. (LOL!) - --Leslie....during a brutal deadline. Ugh. Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Music Industry Future - -> Probably synthesize a "star persona" > also, photo/video image > of a totally nonexistent performer... I think they already did this in Japan. Brian? - --Leslie Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:27:29 -0700 From: Brainerd/Racine Ink Subject: Re: "Oops, I did it again" (was RE: Airhead Songs) Thanks, Brian! I'm a lady and I think that's pretty funny! (altho I am NOT a Chris Rock fan) Lee At 12:27 AM 8/31/01 +0900, you wrote: > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > Brainerd/Racine Ink > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:11 AM > > > Brian, > > > > what was Chris Rock's line?? > >Hope I don't get booted off the list for this. Children, cover your ears! I >believe he said, "B*tch, what did you do the FIRST time?!" ...Ladies, >forgive me. > >-Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:28:20 -0400 From: "Gene Stepanik" Subject: Ohio fans Good to see there are other loyal Basia fans in the northern Ohio area. Club Isabella - great place. I think we need to blitz our local "smooth jazz" station with e-mail or snail mail about playing some of our Favorite Singer's music. The last time I heard them play a Basia number was when their little morning segment - Dave Koz' Mind Bender - had a question to which Basia was the answer. That was at least 6 or 8 months ago. Prior to that I don't think I heard any of her tunes for over a year, at least. They sure have started to play a lot of old Top 40 "pop" music, foregoing what most of us probably started to listen to the station for. Is this the same around the country? Cleveburg Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:05:06 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Radio play Our "smooth/contemporary jazz" station in Tucson, AZ switched to country western - sheesh! We sure needed one more C/W station - that must be number 5. You know where I hear Basia nowadays...at Church's Fried Chicken. I imagine they pipe in some satellite radio station, but they play Basia all the time! Generally it's light pop. Steve R. > > I think we need to blitz our local "smooth jazz" station with e-mail or > snail mail about playing some of our Favorite Singer's music. The last time > I heard them play a Basia number was when their little morning segment - > Dave Koz' Mind Bender - had a question to which Basia was the answer. That > was at least 6 or 8 months ago. Prior to that I don't think I heard any of > her tunes for over a year, at least. They sure have started to play a lot > of old Top 40 "pop" music, foregoing what most of us probably started to > listen to the station for. > > Is this the same around the country? > > Cleveburg Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:01:55 -0500 From: Beverly Martin Subject: Basia Opening for Peter White Personally, I would travel for that show!!! They should consider it, it would be a way to get her back in front of people again... and maybe even the morons at the record companies would see she still has it! - -- Beverly Martin Steve Richardson wrote: > >Larry wrote... > >You have to understand that, while he ... is quite the celebrity now, > >for many years he was somewhat known as "Basia's guitarist." > > And before that he spent a decade or more known as "Al Stewart's guitarist" > (and collaborator). Must be especially nice to carve out his own niche in the > music world. > > I always used to wonder why Basia's shows didn't start off with a set by > Peter. Indeed, the first two times I saw her live, Ottmar Liebert and his > group opened the show. I wondered, why hire another guitarist to open when > you have Peter White in the auditorium. > > With Peter's growing fame, by the next time Basia tours, she may have to open > the show for him. > > Steve R. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:33:53 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Majewicz" Subject: Re: Ohio fans Buffalo hasn't had a contempo-jazz outlet in several years. (Help me out here Jim P. Was it something like '96 when WSJZ pulled the plug?) And they never played anything from TSI. Prior to that, what turned me on to the "smooth" (I hate that label) format was "the Wave" of the late eighties. We had a station here that played the format. They played PLENTY of Basia tracks. I remember what an event the roll out of LWNY was. They had a pre-release and promoted the hell out of it. You know, "Coming up this hour, a new track from Basia's upcoming album" kind of stuff. It went on for days. There were liners from her "Hi, this is Basia on the Wave..." Even though I was a fan for a couple of years before that, it got me excited. I still believe LWNY was her best work. Now I hear her in the supermarket on occasion. My cable system carries Music Choice and the Light Jazz channel plays her once in a while. They mostly play "Miles Away" or "Promises", but that's about it. Northcoast Radio in Rochester, NY plays Blues and Jazz. Used to be that when I travelled that way I was guaranteed to hear a song by her a couple of times a day. Not so anymore. She's been bumped out of the way by newer material. I think that's the reason you don't hear her on the radio. There's so much else for programmers to choose from. If she had been more prolific, I still don't know if she'd fit into any radio format today. Her departure from her samba/jazz roots started with LWNY and TSI pushed her further away. I hate to say it out loud, but I agree with Larry. (BTW, thanks to Larry for getting the list active again.) I'll be surprised if we hear another whole album from her again. I'll be even more surprised if it's accepted beyond her hard core fan(atic)s. But I have my memories and my CD's. I saw her in concert (but only once). I'm happy. Life might not have been as good without her music. Best to all, Dennis - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Stepanik" To: "Basia" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Ohio fans > > Good to see there are other loyal Basia fans in the northern Ohio area. > Club Isabella - great place. > > I think we need to blitz our local "smooth jazz" station with e-mail or > snail mail about playing some of our Favorite Singer's music. The last time > I heard them play a Basia number was when their little morning segment - > Dave Koz' Mind Bender - had a question to which Basia was the answer. That > was at least 6 or 8 months ago. Prior to that I don't think I heard any of > her tunes for over a year, at least. They sure have started to play a lot > of old Top 40 "pop" music, foregoing what most of us probably started to > listen to the station for. > > Is this the same around the country? > > Cleveburg Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:10:37 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: roots.txt :) OK, maybe that came off a bit pretentious, but I am proud of my eclecticism. Actually, most of the folks I know who are into Basia got their introduction from me...is it like that for many of us? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:12:16 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: Peter White When I saw her, Spyro Gyra opened, but Peter did get to perform "Romance Dance" while she changed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:22:06 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: Britney You know, there are times and places for mindless, eminently danceable music, and Britney and her contemporaries do a nice job of that. Besides, can she help it if she has a nice rack? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:30:20 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: Ohio fans Oh, yeah! I'm in Los Angeles where KTWV "The Wave" has become almost indistinguishable from any number of other stations. I love Al Green and Gladys Knight, but I don't want to hear "Perfect Mother" sandwiched between "Let's Stay Together" and "Midnight Train To Georgia!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:03:43 -0500 From: "Clive Hanuschak" Subject: RE: Ohio fans I've been listening to www.smoothjazz.com out of LA. They play Basia regularly. Clive - -----Original Message----- From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of VOKALYZER@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:30 PM To: basia@smoe.org Subject: Re: Ohio fans Oh, yeah! I'm in Los Angeles where KTWV "The Wave" has become almost indistinguishable from any number of other stations. I love Al Green and Gladys Knight, but I don't want to hear "Perfect Mother" sandwiched between "Let's Stay Together" and "Midnight Train To Georgia!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:19:11 EDT From: PerfectCaravan@aol.com Subject: Re: Peter White In a message dated 8/29/01 11:22:51 PM Central Daylight Time, rrumsby@cybernex.net writes: > No. Now it would have to be Ms Basia opening for Peter White. > > BTW if you get a chance this Christmas keep a look out for > his Christmas show in your area with Dave Koz, Rick Braun > and Brenda Russell. > > bfn > Bob R (waiting for the GLOW to appear). > > > > Boy oh boy...I'm away from my computer a couple of days and all this PW conversation gets going here! Hi guys! First of all...either combo of openers works for me...I'd KILL to see them on the same stage together...sweet justice: Them opening for PW and Danny actually falling behind big brother for the first time in his life! I always laugh thinking of Peter working for his little brother. Second re the Xmas show...it's going to be awesome and Benoit's joined this tour too! Third: GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! By now of course you've ALL heard about the next monster PW CD due out October 2nd called "Glow"! We're really excited over at the fan club and urge you ALL to run and not walk to get it..preorder and order more than one...you'll play it so many times that w/the revolution count only at 30,000 for CD's, your's will be worn out in a month! It is simply spectacular...some very new sounds for Peter this time...should be an award winner for sure...at least that's what we're all hoping for! Thanks for giving me the time and space to get in the plug! (shameless!) Joan The Caravan, The Official Fan Club of Peter White ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #77 **************************