From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #72 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 'World Domination' [into_the_arena@webtv.net] One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content ["Navaira" ] Off topic [Lipman_Larry ] Re: Off topic [into_the_arena@webtv.net] (no subject) [JPovlock@aol.com] RE: Off topic ["Steve O'Hearn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: RE: 'World Domination' Talk about a rare title! I vaguely remember that one believe it or not! Nothing by that group is currently in print, no surprise there. But there appears to be a few copies of an '80's compilation cd set left at http://www.oglio.com/contents/track_list.asp?ProductCode=88 I hope you succeed in purchasing this one. New ASIA cd info here: http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia Received: from smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.233) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 60679161; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: into_the_arena@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 515071DB for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7OF7Dlj020900; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7OF73Mh020876; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:38 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7OF4Zlj020644 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7OF4YuY020641 for basia-outgoing; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7OF4Tlj020631 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VOKALYZER@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id p.116.3b9c22b (3934) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:09 -0400 (EDT) From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Message-ID: <116.3b9c22b.28b7c6e9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:04:09 EDT Subject: Re: Patience! To: basia@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-basia@smoe.org Reply-To: basia@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Speaking of "World Domination," does anybody know where I could find a copy of that title? I believe it was recorded by a group called the Belle Stars. I had it on a 12" single in the 80's... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:59:06 +0200 From: "Navaira" Subject: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content Hi guys, Leslie wrote: > Here's some thought on the subject. All viewpoints > expressed below are proababy mine alone, but maybe a > nugget of something will emerge for at least one other > person: > > 1) its shaping up to be a kinda rough time for the > music industry, from what I've been reading. [...] A major artist selling > less than 4 million is a disappointment now, and I'm > only half kidding. Actually... Leslie is not kidding at all. Where in the past it was a normal thing to let an artist release a few albums so the public get used to him/her, it is now 'a number one or you're gone'. Mel B of the Spice Girls got dropped even despite the fact that she had a number one single the year before and a top 10 single half a year before the drop. Now people talk about Geri Halliwell as if she's finished because *one* of her singles didn't reach number one. The game is now: earn us money or get out. Record companies are terribly afraid of things like Napster. They don't want to release anything original/interesting/fresh/old (yes, I mean Basia between others, to the record companies "old" is shorter for "above 25 years old") in case it doesn't sell 10 million copies. In Poland, this time, we were the first to start releasing shit music. Shit music means something without ANY pretence to ANY artistry; people with trained voices singing other people's songs with absolutely no meaning. Is it an accident that none of the Backstreet Boys songs has a noun in its title? I mean, "I want it that way", "We've got it going on", what's "it"? Is it world peace or something? Maybe they mean the racial equity? They might. That is, if they cared of what they are singing. How many interesting high-profile debuts can you name from the last year? (or in Poland, the last five years?) Think. Think again. Anything? Anything? I can think of one: Nelly Furtado (and I hate her voice, mind you). All my favourite songs from the last few years came either from artists long established or people who record for small companies; Human League have a new album out and nobody knows about it because it's released for a minor minor label called Papillon. (And this email is as close as it comes to this album's promotion) Badly Drawn Boy had to create his own company because nobody wanted to release his music; then, after he created it and released four singles and people were killing their neighbours to get a copy, the labels started sending him polite letters, invitations to "signing parties" and flowers. These days it is actually a disadvantage to have any talent. If you don't have anything to you, you might become a star - I mean, look at Hear'Say (British phenomenon; they are the highest selling debutants in the history of the UK charts. They came from a program like Big Brother, only with singers. I'm terrified at the thought of what happens when it comes on in Poland.) or the Dutch version - Popstarz. What's worse, Dutch even have a boyband called Boyband! Is any of you still surprised Basia doesn't get released? The only way for her to release an album would be to create her own record company and I'm not at all surprised she doesn't bother doing that. Or, to get signed to a small company and sell 10,000 copies instead of half a million. *sigh* I knew it. I always get started on this subject and I'll tell you why: this is in a way Basia related, so don't stop reading. I live in Poland. Fact 1. I write and perform my own songs. Fact 2. They're in English. Fact 3. An A&R person from EMI Poland has said to my manager that sending in demoes in English makes absolutely no point because they don't even bother to listen to them. You either do a demo in Polish or, well, you can sing to your grandma and three friends who came to your garage. What would Basia have to do today - if she was, say, 19 years old and wanted to sing for the living? She'd have to do precisely what she did way back then: go to America or England - but then, now nobody would bother listening to her either because she's talented. And this is what bothers me the most... > 4) I know a lot of you would like to see Basia become > some megastar, but somehow when that happens the > quality of the music changes to accomodate the machine > running behind a mega-artist. Exception: Madonna. > Imaigne if Celine dropped a "Sweetest Illusion." I > don't think it would happen, it would be too > experimental for the tastes of the umpteen people who > need her albums to do super well in order to make > oogles of cash. :-) But then, I would sell my kidney if Basia did an album produced by Nellee Hooper or (oh, good heavens) Air. > Luckily, Basia could still make a > challenging album like TSI, because I think its the > best thing she and Danny did, even if its not 100% > developed. Of course, I am probably the only person here on the list who actually does NOT want Basia to go the jazz route. I was absolutely in love with Drunk On Love because while being jazzy it was a big dance track. (And it's been on the UK chart...! Only two Basia singles got into UK top 75: Time And Tide and Drunk On Love - that is, if my knowledge of the Guinness Book Of Records doesn't fail me). I *quite liked* "So Nice" except for it not going far enough - if you're doing a dance track with strings, you could go further and ask Full Intention to remix it. (And that, my friends, might be jazzy...!) > Of course as a fan and an admirer of the music, I > would like to see a new album do well, but I am a > realist, and what she and Danny are doing isn't for > everyone. And most music isn't, if you think about it. Of course not (said a fan of Bjork and Saint Etienne) > come. The music now in that realm is getting staler by > the minute, and the people that actually appreciated > pop-jazz before it turned to crap would probably > dance in the streets at the thought of someone from > the old school (lol) showing how its done. I think this might simply be the end of smooth *oops* jazz, to be honest. I mean, Jamiroquai, come on. > finally released, radio or not. Believe that. After > all, there were a good number of people that only > heard Basia for the first time after the Spyro Gyra > album- and wanted to dip into the back catalogue. It's > not worldwide domination, but it ain't a bad idea. Yes. But do those people want to shell their bucks for the new album? It's like when Everything But The Girl did a track with Deep Dish and people would come to Tracey Thorn and go 'whoa, you're that Deep Dish chick'. It didn't sell ANY copy of an EBTG album because people didn't even know that such a band existed; and that's when EBTG actually started sounding like Deep Dish. I think the only thing that might happen to Basia would be people coming to her and going "whoa, you're that Spyro Gyra chick" - and that only if she did a video with them... MCH added: > Dear List, > What Basia needs is a song on a Hollywood soundtrack album. > That would be the perfect way to crash back into the charts. Shoot me now, please :) > I think of Berlin (the newwave/synthpop group) -- they had > their early-80s run and faded a bit, and were very *non* Hollywood > in their attitude and style--but then got on the Top Gun soundtrack > with "Take Your Breath Away" and whatever you think of that > song, it put them back in the game and they're touring to this > very day! *surprised* I didn't know they have done anything apart from "Take Your Breath Away". Touring? Sounds like a band who's touring in Poland - I mean, today in the news they said that the main star of the Sopot Festival (one of three biggest festivals in Poland) is INXS and they shown Suicide Blonde (the choice of this particular song was IMO rather bad taste) - um, *how* do INXS tour without Hutchence and WHO does go to see them?! > "World Domination", a great song/album title. What's that > in Polish, would that be cool? : ) "Swiatowa Dominacja"... no :) It somehow sounds better in English, don't ask me why. To finish this email, let me once again quote Human League. Q: "Why did it take you so long to record the follow-up to 1995's Octopus?" A: "Oh, we've been recording new songs all the time! But it took us 6 years to find someone who would actually release them." (-) Ray + find your mescaline at www.navaira.prv.pl ----------------------+ [ number one this week: human league "all I ever wanted" ---------] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:37 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: 'World Domination' In a message dated 8/24/2001 11:03:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, into_the_arena@webtv.net writes: > Good looking out! I went straight to that site and bought it this morning...looks like there might be other nuggets to be mined. It seems that the current state of pop music is such that at least 50% of my music budget is spent on nostalgia. Anyway, thanks ever so for the tip... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:59:19 EDT From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Subject: Re: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content If you'd really like to discover a stunning debut from a new artist released in the past year or so, check out Jill Scott. It may be a touch funky for someone strictly into Basia, but none of us were ever that, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:30:31 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content All - As long as you're looking for alternatives to Basia (until she comes back to us), check out Eva Cassidy. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > VOKALYZER@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content > > > > If you'd really like to discover a stunning debut from a new > artist released > in the past year or so, check out Jill Scott. It may be a touch > funky for > someone strictly into Basia, but none of us were ever that, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:00:34 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content All - Eva Cassidy is the vocalist who passed away in 1996 of skin cancer before anyone record label ever signed her, or any significant acknowledgement of her recorded work. Today she's Billboard Magazine's #1 selling artist on the internet charts. She's recently hit #1 on pop charts in UK, Ireland, and more. ABC Nightline not only did a piece on her life on Memorial Day weekend, but in an unusual move, did a very rare rerun of an episode by replaying that piece over the July 4th holiday. Her rendition of "Over the Rainbow" was voted this year by BBC listeners as the single greatest recording - by anyone - of all time. Her cover of "Fields of Gold" is described by many critics as superior to Sting's original. When Mary Chapin-Carpenter was recently asked in an interview who she most wanted to perform a duet with, alive or dead, she said it was Eva Cassidy. Eva was from my hometown, and dated a best friend of mine, who I used to play guitar with as a child, and who did a lot of recording with Eva. I met and heard her several times, and heard her perform with my friend many times in the 1980's. None of this post-humous success surprises any of us. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Steve O'Hearn > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:31 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: RE: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content > > > > All - > > As long as you're looking for alternatives to Basia (until she > comes back to > us), check out Eva Cassidy. > > - Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > VOKALYZER@aol.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 AM > > To: basia@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: One of my long replies - about 10% Basia content > > > > > > > > If you'd really like to discover a stunning debut from a new > > artist released > > in the past year or so, check out Jill Scott. It may be a touch > > funky for > > someone strictly into Basia, but none of us were ever that, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: Re: 'World Domination' You're welcome. Glad to help. Received: from smtpin-101-6.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.40) by storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-6.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id EBC1D2C4; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: into_the_arena@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-101-6.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 44BB72B4 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7PElKlj002935; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7PElIeR002934; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:55 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7PEkqlj002884 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7PEkpAg002883 for basia-outgoing; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7PEkklj002877 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VOKALYZER@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id p.d5.b55cb5a (16339) for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: VOKALYZER@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:46:37 EDT Subject: Re: 'World Domination' To: basia@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-basia@smoe.org Reply-To: basia@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/24/2001 11:03:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, into_the_arena@webtv.net writes: > Good looking out! I went straight to that site and bought it this morning...looks like there might be other nuggets to be mined. It seems that the current state of pop music is such that at least 50% of my music budget is spent on nostalgia. Anyway, thanks ever so for the tip... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:35:51 -0400 From: Bob Rumsby Subject: Re: !!!!! NEW ALBUM !!!!!!!! Pressing un lurking button. Well got a chance to talk to Peter White after the J % R Jazz Festival gig on Thursday night. He said the third most asked question to him is: WhatsahappeningwithBasia??? Well. Yes he has laid down some tracks for her. Next Album.... Who knows????. Presently Basia does not have a Record contract. Basia does not at present have an Agent. Basia at present does not have a Management Group. Also he also asks her hows the album coming along and she just says OK. Peter also said that the P.O. Box for Basia is still the same old one. So theres the latest. Now before I go back into lurking mode I would like a little word from our sponsors. If you like the guitar work of Peter White on the Basia albums, then why not come on over and join the official Peter white fan club. Go to : www.peterwhitefanclub.com then go to the membership section and complete or download the form. Plenty of exciting news regarding Peter, especially as his new album GLOW (Got Lots Of Wine well that's Peters interpretation of the name), is being released on October 2nd. If you listen to your favorite smooth jazz station make sure to listen out for the new single Turn It Out. Well back to the lurking mode. bfn Bob Rumsby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:19:42 -0500 From: Lipman_Larry Subject: Off topic Off topic... Anybody heard/have any opinion about the "Songbird" album (female singer passed away from cancer...can't recall her name) which is getting a lot of press....supposed to be very nice... especially her rendition of "Over the Rainbow"... Also...is Swing Out Sister history? How about Kevyn Lettau? LL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: Re: Off topic Swing Out Sister is still going, although their most recent cd I believe is only available as a Japanese import. For more info go to http://www.swingoutsister.com/ New ASIA cd info here: http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:28:19 EDT From: JPovlock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) My turn to put in my two cents worth: Larry probably was correct a few days ago when he suggested that Basia and Danny are done, as far as a recording career is concerned. Who the hell is going to release a CD that will probably never sell much? I mean, the list cannot do it alone :) I can't see them doing it themselves. But I will ask the question, again, how do you support yourself with nothing new for seven years?? Did they make that much money?? I hope she never does an entire CD like So Nice. That would be a huge sell-out, as far as I'm concerned. My comparison is Everything But The Girl. They did some excellent adult contemporary music in the late 80's and early 90's, but after someone remixed Missing, and it became a dance hit, they had their big hit and turned into total crap. I'd hate for Basia to be associated with So Nice, instead of her real signature song, Time And Tide. Swing Out Sister, from what I've read, has released or is about to release a new CD. I read that it's supposed to be a studio effort, too bad for them. I've always praised this group on our list, and I think The Living Return is as brilliant as The Sweetest Illusion, but funkier and more electric. When they have a band sound they are excellent - studio, good, but formulaic. Another dreadful thought - has anyone ever considered that Basia, at 43 (whatever), is considered too old by the record companies? I know we don't see it that way. But the way things are going today, being 17 with big boobs and the ability to shake your booty goes a long way in selling CD's. Ok gang, here's another thought -Leslie, don't choke on your beer! - do they get a Diane Warren song, have it produced by David Foster, and do the theme song to the Timothy McVeigh story?? Sorry gang, I will now go wash my brain out with alcohol. Jim P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:06:29 -0400 From: "Steve O'Hearn" Subject: RE: Off topic Larry - That's Eva Cassidy, who I mentioned in an earlier email today. "Songbird" is sort of a "best of" CD for her. See amazon for more info. - - Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-basia@smoe.org [mailto:owner-basia@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Lipman_Larry > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:20 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Off topic > > > > Off topic... > > Anybody heard/have any opinion about the "Songbird" album > (female singer passed away from cancer...can't recall her name) > which is getting a lot of press....supposed to be very nice... > especially her rendition of "Over the Rainbow"... > > Also...is Swing Out Sister history? > How about Kevyn Lettau? > > LL ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #72 **************************