From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V6 #70 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lipman Waxes Philosophic (Whines) [Heathdom@aol.com] Lipman [Heathdom@aol.com] Re: Lipman Waxes Philosophic (Whines) [into_the_arena@webtv.net] Patience! ["Steve Richardson" ] Re: Patience! [into_the_arena@webtv.net] Re: Patience! [Leslie Brown ] Re: Patience! ["MCH" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:04:32 EDT From: Heathdom@aol.com Subject: Re: Lipman Waxes Philosophic (Whines) Dude-- I appreciate the info. I have been trying to learn what my favorite female singer is doing for a couple of months and not a single member of this fan club ever seems to discuss the here and now. I had no idea Basia still wants a musical career; my conjecture was that she was taking some time off or starting a family, etc. How could a recording industry executive pass on the opportunity to record a multi-platinum artist of her talent? Walter Heath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:14:24 EDT From: Heathdom@aol.com Subject: Lipman Dude-- I appreciate the info. I have been trying to learn what my favorite female singer is doing for a couple of months and not a single member of this fan club ever seems to discuss the here and now. I had no idea Basia still wants a musical career; my conjecture was that she was taking some time off or starting a family, etc. How could a recording industry executive pass on the opportunity to record a multi-platinum artist of her talent? Walter Heath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 04:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: Re: Lipman Waxes Philosophic (Whines) I do agree with the bulk of your email. I too wonder if Basia will *ever return* with a new cd. It seems less likely with every passing month. Hell, does Basia even have a real website? (Does she? Anyone know?) It seems that every busker from Paris to Des Moines has one, but nothing on Basia. Very sad for us fans, yet quite telling. I kind of think that she has retired into her family life and doesn't feel the urge to get back into the business, and if so, more power to her, she deserves the normalcy. I hope that I am wrong and that she will come back with a new cd that, even if it doesn't storm up the charts like it should, will satisfy her still-loyal fan base. In fact, if I am wrong, I will GLADLY eat crow. I always hope for a new Basia cd, and I know that eventually it will happen...it's just such a long, long wait for us. But in any case I feel that the full-time Basia that we knew in the '80's and early '90's is gone. We just have to accept it. That period lives on in the records and cd's, and in our hearts, but she is far removed from that now. And that's not bad. She deserves privacy. At any rate, Basia has enriched our lives with her music. New ASIA cd info here: http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia Received: from smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.179) by storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 717522EB; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: into_the_arena@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 8C67A2B1 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7ME56lj020249; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7ME54OZ020246; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:03:20 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7ME3Hlj020168 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7ME3HhR020167 for basia-outgoing; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com [24.165.200.7]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7ME38lj020157 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f1d6k01.midsouth.rr.com (HubO-mcr-24-24-104-80.midsouth.rr.com [24.24.104.80]) by mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7ME1EO02174 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:01:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822084851.00a96020@pop-server.midsouth.rr.c om> X-Sender: llipman@pop-server.midsouth.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:59:46 -0500 To: basia@smoe.org From: Lipman_Larry Subject: Lipman Waxes Philosophic (Whines) In-Reply-To: <200108070515.f775FC5l017980@smoe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-basia@smoe.org Reply-To: basia@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Anyone know if Basia has finally found a new label, and whatever became of the "new album" slated for release "late this year"? Far be it from me to stir up the muck, and I really hate to say it, but I think it's been almost seven years since her last release. A few artists (Sade, Steely Dan, Neil Diamond, etc) can get away with a long hiatus and a "comeback", but I sadly don't think Basia had that kind of penetration. (Heck, Sade's latest album is garbage anyway...she's on tour and all the radio stations are playing are her old hits.) I regret to say that I feel if Basia were to come out today with an album of tunes like "So Nice", I don't believe it would be very well received. She needs another set like TSI - in my opinion, her finest work. With heavy heart, we may have to face the sad fact that Basia/Danny have their recording career. What a waste... and what a loss. :( LL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:10:39 -0700 From: "Steve Richardson" Subject: Patience! I think it's way premature for anyone to talk as though Basia's career is over! She's still a young woman. Long stretches between albums are not all that unusual nowadays...at least not for some of the singers I like best! Kate Bush's last new album came out one year before "The Sweetest Illusion," and it looks like it will be at least another year before her new one comes out. Jennifer Warnes hasn't had a new album out since 1992 - although that will end in 12 days with her new CD release. And I think I've mentioned before here that Jane Olivor released a wonderful CD last year...after an 18-year gap since her last record. Anyway, nothing to do but be patient, and when the next Basia album does come out we can enjoy it for what it is, and not worry about whether it sells X number of copies or not. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:20:47 -0400 (EDT) From: into_the_arena@webtv.net Subject: Re: Patience! Thats funny, I have been playing Kate Bush a bit lately and was wondering why she dropped off the face of the earth as well. 1993...geeze! Remember the '60's when artists such as Elvis Presley and The Beatles would release 2 or 3 albums a year? It took the Beatles 6 months or something to record "Sgt. Pepper" and the rumours were that they were finished! I only wish I could take off 5 or more years before getting off my duff to do something again...:-) I'm just a jealous guy (quote Lennon). New ASIA cd info here: http://community.webtv.net/into_the_arena/Asia Received: from smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.29) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 6F16F247; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: into_the_arena@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-101-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3F70E1C9 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7NEBflj001556; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7NEBVJQ001551; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:08:38 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7NE8Xlj001305 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7NE8WPf001304 for basia-outgoing; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serverB.sea.theriver.dmz (serverB.sea.theriver.com [216.39.128.32]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7NE8Nlj001276 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (gateway1.sea.theriver.dmz [10.10.20.1]) by serverB.sea.theriver.dmz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02525 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:03:13 -0700 Received: from atzsimct21 (pc32-20.hua.army.mil [150.180.32.20]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A0F544C9 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:07:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001401c12bdd$63dcb520$1420b496@army.mil> From: "Steve Richardson" To: Subject: Patience! Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:10:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-basia@smoe.org Reply-To: basia@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk I think it's way premature for anyone to talk as though Basia's career is over! She's still a young woman. Long stretches between albums are not all that unusual nowadays...at least not for some of the singers I like best! Kate Bush's last new album came out one year before "The Sweetest Illusion," and it looks like it will be at least another year before her new one comes out. Jennifer Warnes hasn't had a new album out since 1992 - although that will end in 12 days with her new CD release. And I think I've mentioned before here that Jane Olivor released a wonderful CD last year...after an 18-year gap since her last record. Anyway, nothing to do but be patient, and when the next Basia album does come out we can enjoy it for what it is, and not worry about whether it sells X number of copies or not. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Patience! > I think it's way premature for anyone to talk as > though Basia's career is over! Preach it, brother! Here's some thought on the subject. All viewpoints expressed below are proababy mine alone, but maybe a nugget of something will emerge for at least one other person: 1) its shaping up to be a kinda rough time for the music industry, from what I've been reading. You have essentially one company muscling everyone out of the concert and radio game (I'm referring to Clear Channel, for a decent debate on this topic check the forums at magicisland.com and contemporaryjazz.com) You see a lot of lesser-selling acts being dropped from labels left and right (lame). And, consumer purchasing of music is down, as well as concert attendance (Probably because concerts are too expensive, but I digress) The labels are, in their eyes anyway, making less money than in the past, and they are spending it much more cautiously. This may be why it's been hard going, getting this album out. Or getting a label. Or anything. A major artist selling less than 4 million is a disappointment now, and I'm only half kidding. 2) We haven't heard a damn thing about anything lately. Maybe if Basia did an interview on Polish radio again, we would all feel better. :-) But we don't know the situation, maybe the album is cooking behind the scenes for all we know. I tend to think its kinda unfair to assume the worst, but I'm to be pretty optimistic generally. 3) Yeah, Kate Bush is a great example of late delivery of product. ;-P. She rarely puts anything out, but when she does, its an event. And she has an intense cult following- way more intense than I would ever want to be a part of, but that's just me. :-) Peter Gabriel is another musician along this vein. Add your own to the list, too. 4) I know a lot of you would like to see Basia become some megastar, but somehow when that happens the quality of the music changes to accomodate the machine running behind a mega-artist. We've made fun of Celine Dion in the past, but I think she's a great example. There's a very well-run formula behind what she did (before her hiatus), and there was a load of people behind her- producers, songwriters, guys at the label.... what I'm getting at is the Basia-and-Danny quality is something I personally like a lot, and I don't know if super-selling artists have the ability to maintain that sort of relationship. (I'm sure the examples will rain down now when I post this) Imaigne if Celine dropped a "Sweetest Illusion." I don't think it would happen, it would be too experimental for the tastes of the umpteen people who need her albums to do super well in order to make oogles of cash. :-) Luckily, Basia could still make a challenging album like TSI, because I think its the best thing she and Danny did, even if its not 100% developed. Of course as a fan and an admirer of the music, I would like to see a new album do well, but I am a realist, and what she and Danny are doing isn't for everyone. And most music isn't, if you think about it. BUT...thinking about the pop-jazz genre (I refuse to call it smooth), the fans of that music would probably eat a new Basia album up. It's an idea whose time has come. The music now in that realm is getting staler by the minute, and the people that actually appreciated pop-jazz before it turned to crap would probably dance in the streets at the thought of someone from the old school (lol) showing how its done. She may not be able to get through the "Smooth Jazz" pass, but plenty of people will grab that mofo when it is finally released, radio or not. Believe that. After all, there were a good number of people that only heard Basia for the first time after the Spyro Gyra album- and wanted to dip into the back catalogue. It's not worldwide domination, but it ain't a bad idea. Just a thought. Or five. - --Leslie Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:52:20 -0700 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: Patience! Dear List, What Basia needs is a song on a Hollywood soundtrack album. That would be the perfect way to crash back into the charts. I think of Berlin (the newwave/synthpop group) -- they had their early-80s run and faded a bit, and were very *non* Hollywood in their attitude and style--but then got on the Top Gun soundtrack with "Take Your Breath Away" and whatever you think of that song, it put them back in the game and they're touring to this very day! It seems to me that Basia would certainly have at least the soundtrack vocal potential of Terri Nunn, and so it shouldn't be all that hard to work something out, given the right kind of film for her style. (Like, a story of a girl from Ipanema and her cool adventures...?) Problem solved... next! Leslie wrote: > album- and wanted to dip into the back catalogue. It's > not worldwide domination, but it ain't a bad idea. > "World Domination", a great song/album title. What's that in Polish, would that be cool? : ) ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V6 #70 **************************