From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V4 #205 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: No new cd this year ["Jim Clary" ] digital drummer ["Brian Cundieff" ] Re: digital drummer ["Jeff Abrams" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:25:34 -0500 From: "Jim Clary" Subject: Re: No new cd this year > > And since Samurai27 brought up "Polish Sambas" I > have to ask this? Does anybody out there know > where I can get a copy of this and "Strangely > Familiar Tunes"? Can't find 'em anywhere! > These are both quite rare and are sure to be expensive. Both are Japanese boots and a very limited number of copies were made. I located a site which might be able to locate some copies; the site is http://www.gemm.com and specializes in imports and hard-to-find stuff. If you check their list of Basia releases, you will see a lot of collector's editions for sale. They have one title listed which I have never heard of, "More Fire Than Flame", a Japanese DJ promo with 3 tracks: "More Fire Than Flame", "Masquerade" and "Come To Heaven". Price: $63.80. They have an "Interest List" which you can subscribe to; it will send you an Email notification whenever they get something new pertaining to Basia. There are also a couple of import sites mentioned on BasiaWeb, CD Europe and CD Banzai. Good Luck, Jim Clary jclary@fastlane.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:47:41 +0900 From: "Brian Cundieff" Subject: digital drummer From: Ray Navarra Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: A long senseless goodbye >>>Is it me or Jim and others simply despise the music on the basis of it being generated through a computer? <<< I think it really depends on how the computers are used. There's a place for them in music. Personally, I would argue that they should not be used to replace human musicians. Drum machines never (or at least very rarely) miss a beat or make a mistake. They are digital and therefore basically perfect. The human drummer is analog, in this analogy. Even the best drummer cannot have absolutely perfect rhythm 100% of the time. But then neither do any of the other members of his band. Neither do any of the people listening to the music. A human drummer imparts a more natural sound to the music (and is probably more fun to play with). Aside from philosophical considerations, how much I despise computer-generated music depends on how obvious it is. Using an example from another medium, during the last five years or so, producers or animated films have been combining computer graphics with traditional painted-cel animation. Occasionally, they are able to merge the two together seamlessly enough that I can't really tell which parts are computer generated. Most of the time, though, it's very obvious, and I find this to be a distraction. Likewise with music, I liked "Clear Horizon" very much. But that mechanical drum just stands out like an icicle in an otherwise warm piece of music. Anyway, just my opinion. - -Brian* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:07:05 -0400 From: "Jeff Abrams" Subject: Re: digital drummer I won't get too deep into the philosophy of using electronics in music (the term "drum machine" is being a bit abused here, BTW). However, I think it is important to note that ALL of the drumming (trap) on "Time and Tide" and "London Warsaw New York" was done By Danny White with drum modules. - -- Jeff Abrams doctorpc@erols.com 1993 Brilliant Black GS Why did the bass player get mad at the timpanist? He turned a peg and refuses to tell him which one. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Cundieff To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: digital drummer > > From: Ray Navarra > Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:34 PM > Subject: A long senseless goodbye > > >>>Is it me or > Jim and others simply despise the music on the basis of it being generated > through a computer? <<< > > I think it really depends on how the computers are used. There's a place for > them in music. Personally, I would argue that they should not be used to > replace human musicians. Drum machines never (or at least very rarely) miss > a beat or make a mistake. They are digital and therefore basically perfect. > The human drummer is analog, in this analogy. Even the best drummer cannot > have absolutely perfect rhythm 100% of the time. But then neither do any of > the other members of his band. Neither do any of the people listening to the > music. A human drummer imparts a more natural sound to the music (and is > probably more fun to play with). Aside from philosophical considerations, > how much I despise computer-generated music depends on how obvious it is. > Using an example from another medium, during the last five years or so, > producers or animated films have been combining computer graphics with > traditional painted-cel animation. Occasionally, they are able to merge the > two together seamlessly enough that I can't really tell which parts are > computer generated. Most of the time, though, it's very obvious, and I find > this to be a distraction. Likewise with music, I liked "Clear Horizon" very > much. But that mechanical drum just stands out like an icicle in an > otherwise warm piece of music. Anyway, just my opinion. > > -Brian* > > ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V4 #205 ***************************