From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V4 #160 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, August 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 160 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 100 greatest women of rock ["Kent Bennett [kbennett@thomaslargesinger] Re: digital fanzine [Leslie Brown ] Re: digital fanzine [Leslie Brown ] Re: 100 greates women of rock ["William F.G. McAbee" ] Re: 100 greatest women of rock [Leslie Brown ] Digital fanzine & upcoming elections ["Meg Evans" ] Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections ["Ashoke S. Talukdar" ] Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections [Leslie Brown ] Re: 100 greatest women of rock ["Joe Palcher" ] Exene cervenka (sp.) ["tom, kelly & jordan" ] Just wondering? [Timothy Yap ] Re: Just wondering? [Dan Tartaglia ] Re: 100 greates women of rock [jp ] Re: 100 greatest women of rock [TRINSD@aol.com] Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections [mondony@club-internet.fr] Re: Just wondering? [Robin ] Re: 100 greatest women of rock [The Cidade Family ] Re: Just wondering? [The Cidade Family ] Re: Watch out, a newbie ["Ruth C. Johnson" ] Re: 100 greatest women of rock ["Ruth C. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:45:31 -0400 From: "Kent Bennett [kbennett@thomaslargesinger.com]" Subject: RE: 100 greatest women of rock FYI - Exene Cervenka played in a Los Angeles punk-based band called "X", I believe, which was big in the 80's and made a small comeback in 90's. On another topic, has anyone checked out the band TEXAS? Their new release is quite enjoyable. Vocalist Sharlene Spiteri isn't quite a Basia, but nonetheless leaves you with a romantic feel. Music is catchy, not exactly jazzy, but manages to take you away... Kent - Toronto > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Combee [SMTP:combee@techwood.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 11:03 PM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock > > > > Did anyone catch VH-1's 100 greatest women of rock? Obviously, our hero > > didn't make it, but some of those that did I didn't quite understand. At > the > > risk of sounding musically naive, who are Exene Cervenka, Mahalia > Jackson, > > Big Momma Thornton, Nico, Kim Gordon, Lucinda Williams, Kim Deal, and > Tina > > Weymouth? And say what you will about them, but Celine Dion and Mariah > Carey > > didn't even make the list. My friends and I have had fun discussing how > the > > women really should be ranked. Anyone care to bat this one around for > awhile? > > Nico: singer for the Velvet Underground, Lou Reed's band that played in > Andy > Warhol's Factory > > Kim Gordon: singer and guitarist for Sonic Youth, one of the most > influential punk/rock bands of the 80's > > Lucinda Williams: very talented songwriter in the alt-country/folk rock > genre > > Kim Deal: former lead of the Pixies with Black Francis, later led the > Breeders who hit it big in the early to mid 1990's. > > Tina Weymouth: keyboardist and singer for the Talking Heads and co-lead of > the Tom Tom Club (a dance music collaboration with fellow Heads member and > husband Jerry Harrison) > > I'm not familiar with the other three. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: digital fanzine > Now let us > say that for example Leslie gets excited and > nominates herself for > President and lets say that Ashoke nominates Meg for > President. So we have > Meg Vs. Leslie for the January thru March > Presidential office. The voters, > on Tuesday cast their vote to an independent e-mail > address for the tally. > the following day we have a new president. Cute. :) Can't see any reason to do it, though. Besides, I'd feel dorkier than I do now if I were a member of a Basia fan club- much less the prez! Nice thought, tho'! - --Leslie (there's always the Yahoo BB for such pursuits^_^) > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: digital fanzine > An absurd idea at this time. > Why can't you wait until her recording/performing > career picks up and > resumes. > Is there really enough of an agenda out there to > drive such an > administrative online project? > This list is appropriate enough. > Don't you have a Basia shopping mall music break > story to tell? Come on...just because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed doesn't mean you can be mean to Tom. It was simply an idea. Sheesh. - --Leslie _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:09:14 -0700 From: "William F.G. McAbee" Subject: Re: 100 greates women of rock This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------132D0A901618D66844C7716F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim: You're obviously right about Basia, Celine and Mariah, but give a listen to Jerry Harrisons' CD's (as well as the T.Heads) and reconsider Tina Weymouth - she is major league talented! just IMHO Bill McAbee JPovlock@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone catch VH-1's 100 greatest women of rock? Obviously, our hero > didn't make it, but some of those that did I didn't quite understand. At the > risk of sounding musically naive, who are Exene Cervenka, Mahalia Jackson, > Big Momma Thornton, Nico, Kim Gordon, Lucinda Williams, Kim Deal, and Tina > Weymouth? And say what you will about them, but Celine Dion and Mariah Carey > didn't even make the list. My friends and I have had fun discussing how the > women really should be ranked. Anyone care to bat this one around for awhile? > > And as far as Basia not making the list, all I can say is that if Yoko Ono, > whose main and only talent was marrying smart, was #84, then it is a crime > that Basia was omitted. > > Jim P. - --------------132D0A901618D66844C7716F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for William F.G. McAbee Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: William F.G. McAbee n: ;William F.G. McAbee email;internet: wmcabee@mail.idt.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------132D0A901618D66844C7716F-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock > Pleeeeze, you're overdosing on the hallucinogens > pal. > Your notion that Basia is a jazz singer is rather > painful. You know, if you're making a comment in jest, you might want to insert a few emoticons here and there. Or else something like this would sound really nasty. Which it does. > Do you know what a jazz singer is? > Are you aware of the history of vocal jazz in > America? Oh boy... > Basia has, to a degree, been perhaps been > "influenced" by jazz singers > of one import or another. > But she's not a jazz singer; at heart, she's a > crossover pop singer. > If you want to hear lady jazz singers listen to > Billie Holliday, Dinah > Washington, Ella, Sarah Vaughan, Carmen McRae, Helen > Forrest, June > Christy, Chris Connor, Cleo Laine, Mildred Bailey, > or somebody of their > caliber and tradition. Now, come on. "Jazz singer" isn't a grand, elevated title someone has to be knighted with or something (and, as an aside, the music doesn't have to be 40 years old to be 'jazz', the classic jazz vocal tradition IS alive and well). I think the intention in this conversation was to make a simple explanation; calling Basia a jazz singer would be like calling Michael Franks or Maysa Leak or Al Jarreau a "jazz singer." To many people, it sounds jazzy enough to them. Just because they don't list among the greats doesn't lessen that. I don't think Basia is a jazz singer per se, but jazz is a broad enough category with enough subgenres where it could be called as such. Besides, as you said, Denis: > Let's enjoy her talent and disregard > categorizations Uh, yeah! Great advice; take it. > Thank God Basia didn't get slammed into any Best of > Rock countdown > either. Well... the countdown I think was made up of women who had an influence on rock as a whole, and on women in rock in general. Hence the names we may not be overy familiar with. Call it an education. :) (it was for me!) Arguably, Basia could be cited as a catalyst in the renewal of the Brazilian style in the '80s, or something, but the impact wasn't wide enough. But overall I think it was well done, not a cheesy "countin' off the hottest ladies EVER!" type of thing. And besides, who's Basia? (LOL) Everybody, quit being so cranky, for gosh sakes. I personally am on the list to have fun, not to bitch about what isn't jazz or to insult other list members. I'm sure others feel the same. - --Leslie _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:24:24 CDT From: "Meg Evans" Subject: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections Now now, Basia fans! This squabbling over top 100 ratings and categorizations must cease. As a possible Basia International Fan Club presidential candidate (per Tom/Kelly Jordan's speculation that Ashoke might elect me, after which I would courteously and reciprocally elect him, and everyone else as well, per Abrazo Juans' fair and gracious suggestion), I must encourage you all to realize that we DO all agree that we love Basia, no matter what category she fits in, or really whether she even fits in a category at all. My opinion on the matter: I'm glad Basia can't be classified one way or another. Her music is unique enough that she can't and shouldn't be pigeonholed. While she certainly deserves radio time, she must be doing well SOME where in this world (uh, we've already had the "how much money can she and Danny possibly have made" discussion), although I do wish it was here in Chicago. As a fan of many other similiarly unclassifiable musicians, as well as music that rarely if ever makes it to the airwaves (Jane Siberry, Loreena McKennitt -- that trumped up dance mix version of "The Mummers Dance" does NOT count), Secret Garden, Celtic, Flamenco, New Age, Native American, etc.), I simply feel happy that the music exists and I am able to buy and enjoy it (with the possible exception of Basia albums, which are so few and far between that it makes it fairly IMpossible to buy and enjoy them -- but that's a diatribe for another day). Take heart, Basia fans, that we have each other, this list, our sometimes pointless banter, and our eternal appreciation of Basia music both past and (hopefully) future. Keep those cards, letters, and "Basia moments" coming! Meg - ------------------ Paid for by Internet Citizens for Meg Evans for President of the Basia International Fan Club (I.C.M.E.P.B.I.F.C.) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 07:35:42 -0700 From: Joel Cairo Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock Amen, Leslie-- You kids listen to Leslie... (flips the light switch two or three times) ...Don't make me come up there!! - -Kevin Leslie Brown wrote: > > Everybody, quit being so cranky, for gosh sakes. I > personally am on the list to have fun, not to bitch > about what isn't jazz or to insult other list members. > I'm sure others feel the same. > > --Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:28:24 -0400 From: "Ashoke S. Talukdar" Subject: Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections Hey gang: Jeez, we see some traffic and it's people quibbling! What's up with that? Talking about categorizing Basia (or not), Jeff Hamilton asked me to write an intro to Basia and Danny, for his website. My first attempt started something like this: "...the silly polish girl in her had decided to live in England. Her accent, having acquired a somewhat British, albeit thankfully not authoritarian identity, well complimented her penchant for singing, among other things, Polish sambas with a Brazilian flair, painted in distant Motown dreams..." Of course, this makes her sound like a schizophrenic, so I am not so sure anymore. And of course I nominated Meg as the fan club president. I DON'T nominate myself. I would be MUCH happier performing the task of the chief whip! :-D > >------------------ >Paid for by Internet Citizens for Meg Evans for President of the Basia >International Fan Club (I.C.M.E.P.B.I.F.C.) > Hail to the dyslexic atheist who doubts if there is a dog! :-D Ashoke. _______________________________________________________________________ Ashoke S. Talukdar Senior Systems Programmer The MetroHealth System Information Services - Q5 2500 MetroHealth Drive Cleveland, Ohio 44109-1998 Phone: (216) 778-4750 Fax: (216) 778-3232 E-mail: atalukdar@metrohealth.org Home Page: www.metrohealth.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock > ...Don't make me come up there!! LOL!!! They're coming out of the woodwork now! I was afraid some rampant Basia fan plague had engulfed you all. I guess that means we should really talk about something...(verklempt) I'll give you a topic: so what happened to this album that was talked about 8 months ago as being almost done (shocker). Why? Any speculation? Discuss... - --Leslie, Cawfee Talk (Frappuchino talk, really) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections > >Paid for by Internet Citizens for Meg Evans for > President of the Basia > >International Fan Club (I.C.M.E.P.B.I.F.C.) > > > > Hail to the dyslexic atheist who doubts if there is > a dog! :-D ROTFLMAO! (spell that one forwards!) - --Leslie _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:35:31 -0400 From: "Joe Palcher" Subject: Re: digital fanzine The esteemed Leslie wrote: - ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Brown To: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:55 AM Subject: Re: digital fanzine > An absurd idea at this time. > Why can't you wait until her recording/performing > career picks up and > resumes. > Is there really enough of an agenda out there to > drive such an > administrative online project? > This list is appropriate enough. > Don't you have a Basia shopping mall music break > story to tell? "Come on...just because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed doesn't mean you can be mean to Tom. It was simply an idea. Sheesh. - --Leslie" I second that emotion. raburabu joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:41:31 -0400 From: "Joe Palcher" Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock Again Leslie wrote: "Everybody, quit being so cranky, for gosh sakes. I personally am on the list to have fun, not to bitch about what isn't jazz or to insult other list members. I'm sure others feel the same. - --Leslie" I agree with Leslie again. We shouldn't get caught up in technacalities. Okay, so she isn't a "jazz singer." Maybe a "contemporary jazz" singer, but she has so many South American influences in her music she couldn't be a classical jazz singer. So what. We love her music, that's all that matters. And I wouldn't call her a crossover Pop artist. Such an artist would be very successful in the Pop music scene (like Shania Twain or someone), and granted, Basia isn't (not that it matters to us, she's our diva). raburabu (as Leslie and I skip down our merry way, hand in hand) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:26:33 -0500 From: "tom, kelly & jordan" Subject: Exene cervenka (sp.) Exene Cervenka (sp?) lead singer for the band "X" late 70's - 80's out of LA. Excellent punk band, saw 'em Live once. Basia and VH1 never hit it off, remeber when Jon Secada bumped her off for artist of the month a year or two ago. I think that is when somebody decided he was the devil. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:41:22 -0400 From: Timothy Yap Subject: Just wondering? I was just wondering how often do you listen to your Basia CDs/tapes now? Do you listen to a CD at least once a day? A week? Or a month? How often do you listen to Basia esp. now she has had any new releases. It would be interesting to hear how much Basia we are actually hearing now. Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:51:40 -0400 From: Dan Tartaglia Subject: Re: Just wondering? I listen to Basia weekly, I have two of her CD in my car six CD changer .. I love it when her voice fills my car with song. At home, I listen to Basia most weekends. Guess you can say she's a regular part of my life .... still! -DanT Timothy Yap wrote: > > I was just wondering how often do you listen to your Basia CDs/tapes now? Do > you listen to a CD at least once a day? A week? Or a month? > > How often do you listen to Basia esp. now she has had any new releases. > > It would be interesting to hear how much Basia we are actually hearing now. > Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:57:21 -0400 From: jp Subject: Re: 100 greates women of rock At 10:37 PM 8/4/99 EDT, you wrote: > >Did anyone catch VH-1's 100 greatest women of rock? Obviously, our hero >didn't make it, but some of those that did I didn't quite understand. At the >risk of sounding musically naive, who are Exene Cervenka, Mahalia Jackson, >Big Momma Thornton, Nico, Kim Gordon, Lucinda Williams, Kim Deal, and Tina >Weymouth? Mahalia Jackson is a great singer, but I hardly think of her as rock - more gospel and standards. Big Momma Thornton probably does deserve the list - she was what was called a "race" singer in the late 40s and early 50s. She was a big influence on the Sun Records folks - Roy Orbeson, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins and Elvis. She wrote, or at least first recorded "Hound Dog." un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:08:31 EDT From: TRINSD@aol.com Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock Lucinda Williams, good song writer. Has done some work for Mary Chapin Carpenter (Passionate Kisses). Loved the Yoko Ono comment, will share that one with my Beatle-loving husband. TR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:54:35 -0700 From: mondony@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: Digital fanzine & upcoming elections Hi fans !!! What happened on the list ???. Election, encyclopedia of singers, labelization of Basia (yes Meg and Leslie, we don't have to classify !!). I feel everybody nervous !!!. Please Basia, if you hear me (or read me), hurry for the album to calm us !!! Without rancour :))) Faf. P. S. : Please Meg, what means "pigeonholed" ???. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:08:10 -0500 From: Robin Subject: Re: Just wondering? I listen to Basia at least once a day on my way to work, or at work. Just have to hear that voice - old CD's or new one from last year. Robin Timothy Yap wrote: > > I was just wondering how often do you listen to your Basia CDs/tapes now? Do > you listen to a CD at least once a day? A week? Or a month? > > How often do you listen to Basia esp. now she has had any new releases. > > It would be interesting to hear how much Basia we are actually hearing now. > Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:13:15 -0400 From: The Cidade Family Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock okay Denis: Basia: Pop....I can buy that......Jazz.....I can buy that......but certainly NOT rock......she's great.......maybe better than most her contemporaries......but I still say she doesn't belong on the top 100 ROCK singers She has a quality all her own......Pop? maybe......Jazz? somewhat.....Rock? definetly not. Eduardo Denis Naranjo wrote: > Eduardo, > > Pleeeeze, you're overdosing on the hallucinogens pal. > Your notion that Basia is a jazz singer is rather painful. > Do you know what a jazz singer is? > Are you aware of the history of vocal jazz in America? > > Basia has, to a degree, been perhaps been "influenced" by jazz singers > of one import or another. > But she's not a jazz singer; at heart, she's a crossover pop singer. > If you want to hear lady jazz singers listen to Billie Holliday, Dinah > Washington, Ella, Sarah Vaughan, Carmen McRae, Helen Forrest, June > Christy, Chris Connor, Cleo Laine, Mildred Bailey, or somebody of their > caliber and tradition. > Thank God Basia didn't get slammed into any Best of Rock countdown > either. > Let's enjoy her talent and disregard categorizations, esp. when we all > agree there are few natural singing voices like hers. > She's an artist, so crave her creativity. > > Denis > OTM > > The Cidade Family wrote: > > > > only recognized Mihalia Jackson and Big Momma Thornton: They were big (real big) > > names in the 60's......Jackson made her mark on the music scene in Gospel, later > > switching to R&B/Soul.......Same thing with Thornton........You can say it's rock > > because rock traces its roots back to the Mississippi delta region........ > > > > I remember Jackson and her passing......filled a huge concert hall (or was it > > Cobo Arena?) in Detroit.......thousands attended.......best friend was Sammy > > Davis, Jr........Thornton I saw once in concert.........Berkeley in the early > > 70's > > > > Thanks for the trip down memory lane......Basia shouldn't qualify in this > > category because she is a jazz singer........not a rock star......but in any > > event, she's a star in her own right > > > > Ate' Logo Amigo (later bud.....Portuguese translation) > > > > Eduardo > > > > JPovlock@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Did anyone catch VH-1's 100 greatest women of rock? Obviously, our hero > > > didn't make it, but some of those that did I didn't quite understand. At the > > > risk of sounding musically naive, who are Exene Cervenka, Mahalia Jackson, > > > Big Momma Thornton, Nico, Kim Gordon, Lucinda Williams, Kim Deal, and Tina > > > Weymouth? And say what you will about them, but Celine Dion and Mariah Carey > > > didn't even make the list. My friends and I have had fun discussing how the > > > women really should be ranked. Anyone care to bat this one around for awhile? > > > > > > And as far as Basia not making the list, all I can say is that if Yoko Ono, > > > whose main and only talent was marrying smart, was #84, then it is a crime > > > that Basia was omitted. > > > > > > Jim P. > > > > -- > > = > > = > > = > > = > > This message brought to you courtesy of a grant from > > THE SCHOLARSHIP LOCATING SERVICE > > Please visit our web site at: > > http://www2.crosswinds.net/pittsburgh/~sls15010/index.html > > > > The Scholarship Locating Service > > (724) 846-8166 > > Servicing Your College and Trade School Scholarship Needs since 1990 - -- = = = = This message brought to you courtesy of a grant from THE SCHOLARSHIP LOCATING SERVICE Please visit our web site at: http://www2.crosswinds.net/pittsburgh/~sls15010/index.html The Scholarship Locating Service (724) 846-8166 Servicing Your College and Trade School Scholarship Needs since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:18:21 -0400 From: The Cidade Family Subject: Re: Just wondering? i listen to her everyday......have no choice.....have rigged 2 wave files to start up and shutdown windows startup: Crusin' For Brusin' shutdown: Miles Away Timothy Yap wrote: > I was just wondering how often do you listen to your Basia CDs/tapes now? Do > you listen to a CD at least once a day? A week? Or a month? > > How often do you listen to Basia esp. now she has had any new releases. > > It would be interesting to hear how much Basia we are actually hearing now. > Timothy - -- = = = = This message brought to you courtesy of a grant from THE SCHOLARSHIP LOCATING SERVICE Please visit our web site at: http://www2.crosswinds.net/pittsburgh/~sls15010/index.html The Scholarship Locating Service (724) 846-8166 Servicing Your College and Trade School Scholarship Needs since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:41:39 -0700 From: "Ruth C. Johnson" Subject: Re: Watch out, a newbie I don't know any artist who is even close to Basia in style or material. However since you asked , I will suggest the British singer Julia Fordham who also has a unique style of her own. Fordham recorded a song several years ago called "Genius" which is on her "Porcelain" album . "Genius" is the closest thing I"ve heard which can compare to a Basia song. Julia Fordham has a fantastic voice and is a good song writer. But her songs are not as uplifting and bouncy as Basia's. Sincerely, robgrad99 ,aka Ruth Johnson,I'm not really Ruth Johnson, she's my mother in law.-----Original Message----- From: SHOEMAN99@aol.com To: basia@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Watch out, a newbie > >Hi everyone, > >I just signed up for this mailing list because I, like you, love Basia... > >However, I have a question... Does anyone out there know of any other >artists and or groups that have music similar to that of Basia? I am >curious... Can anyone help? > >Regards, > Maverick > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:00:14 -0700 From: "Ruth C. Johnson" Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock There's nothing like a little controversy. I too bemoan the fact that we have been waiting so long for the next real Basia album sic. CD . But just remember how long the fans of "Blondie" had to wait between albums. Something like 15 years. Now that is a dry spell !!! - -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Brown To: basia@smoe.org Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:17 AM Subject: Re: 100 greatest women of rock > > >> Pleeeeze, you're overdosing on the hallucinogens >> pal. >> Your notion that Basia is a jazz singer is rather >> painful. > >You know, if you're making a comment in jest, you >might want to insert a few emoticons here and there. >Or else something like this would sound really nasty. >Which it does. > >> Do you know what a jazz singer is? >> Are you aware of the history of vocal jazz in >> America? > >Oh boy... > >> Basia has, to a degree, been perhaps been >> "influenced" by jazz singers >> of one import or another. >> But she's not a jazz singer; at heart, she's a >> crossover pop singer. >> If you want to hear lady jazz singers listen to >> Billie Holliday, Dinah >> Washington, Ella, Sarah Vaughan, Carmen McRae, Helen >> Forrest, June >> Christy, Chris Connor, Cleo Laine, Mildred Bailey, >> or somebody of their >> caliber and tradition. > >Now, come on. "Jazz singer" isn't a grand, elevated >title someone has to be knighted with or something >(and, as an aside, the music doesn't have to be 40 >years old to be 'jazz', the classic jazz vocal >tradition IS alive and well). I think the intention in >this conversation was to make a simple explanation; >calling Basia a jazz singer would be like calling >Michael Franks or Maysa Leak or Al Jarreau a "jazz >singer." To many people, it sounds jazzy enough to >them. Just because they don't list among the greats >doesn't lessen that. I don't think Basia is a jazz >singer per se, but jazz is a broad enough category >with enough subgenres where it could be called as >such. Besides, as you said, Denis: > >> Let's enjoy her talent and disregard >> categorizations > >Uh, yeah! Great advice; take it. > >> Thank God Basia didn't get slammed into any Best of >> Rock countdown >> either. > >Well... the countdown I think was made up of women who >had an influence on rock as a whole, and on women in >rock in general. Hence the names we may not be overy >familiar with. Call it an education. :) (it was for >me!) Arguably, Basia could be cited as a catalyst in >the renewal of the Brazilian style in the '80s, or >something, but the impact wasn't wide enough. But >overall I think it was well done, not a cheesy >"countin' off the hottest ladies EVER!" type of thing. > >And besides, who's Basia? (LOL) > >Everybody, quit being so cranky, for gosh sakes. I >personally am on the list to have fun, not to bitch >about what isn't jazz or to insult other list members. >I'm sure others feel the same. > >--Leslie >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V4 #160 ***************************