From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V4 #100 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Saturday, May 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! [Joel Cairo <] "Not everyone understands house music. It's a spiritual thing, a body thing..." [Ray Navarra Subject: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! Hey, all: It's late (even here on the West Coast of the US), but I got something in the mail today, and just had to let y'all know about it. Let's just say it'll help while away the time until Christmas... You'll find some info here: http://www.inetarena.com/~soundman/SFT.html Have a good one, everybody... I'm going to sleep!! - -Kevin soundman@inetarena.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:26:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Ray Navarra Subject: "Not everyone understands house music. It's a spiritual thing, a body thing..." Hey all! Jim P. wrote: > I hate dance music. It SUCKS. Period. Get rid of those infernal drum and bass > machines. Get rid of BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM! Give me real musicians who can > really play their instruments. Basia, Danny, Peter, and the rest of the band > have real musical talent. For her to remix a song into a dance track in order > to get club exposure cheapens the product. Let's face it, her music is a lot > more sophisticated than most, and I really hate to see her lower herself to > doing dance mixes. I don't think dance music has necessarily got to be "cheap" and "unsophisticated". Of course, if you look at the European charts, the dance music that is there sucks big time - Vengaboys, Aqua, Cartoonz (even if all those songs got top 10 on my chart... :) But if you listen to Ultra Nate or Pet Shop Boys, you can find the dance music with a class. (PSB's Metamorphosis being an extremely perfect example.) However, I can't escape the "not real instruments" trap; there's not much dance music made with acoustic instruments - although you might be surprised if you ever saw Faithless' live concert, they hardly use synthesizers and you would NEVER guess it, listening to them in the radio! - - but that's what dance music is about. Does remix actually cheapen the product? I think it's not the case. But it takes away some of the original artist's way of thinking. If you get the album version of Basia's song, it's: written, produced, sung and caressed to the last note by Basia herself. When you take the remix, you've only got "written" and "sung" and "sung" is sometimes taken away too. > Your musical snob, > Jim P. Oh come on, you're not a snob, you just didn't have anyone to teach you loving dance music. And I'd bet you sometimes dance... no? Take dance steps when you're happy? Still no? But you tap your feet while listening to the music. Period. :D Leslie wrote: > I like remixes of songs because it puts a whole new > spin on things. A DJ can often take the original work > to an entirely different level. Exactly. That's another point of view. DJ gives you his point of view on the track. But sometimes I'm wondering, if E-Smoove remixing PSB's Liberation of LionRock remaking New Order 1963 were telling us "the original was shit" because they didn't use a note from the original recording... > Ray Navarra rocks, man! (LOL) I have to agree with > Todd Terry too because of the work he did with > Everything But the Girl. I think in theory he could do > the same for Basia's work. Todd Terry has relaunched the careers of EBTG and the Corrs who went from the total unknowns to the best selling band in the UK. Plus, Todd's got his unique sound which I really love; the club version of "Missing" made me wonder what could I have been missing, not buying the EBTG album "Amplified Heart". (BTW, there's a new EBTG album due out in autumn) I love Todd's remix of Driving as well, even if the band themselves didn't approve it. Kent probably summed the whole "remixes" thing in the best way: > Remixes allow me to dance and I like them. And that's what it should be like! :D Oh, one more thing: it's also quite amazing for an artist when he/she hears the remix of the song... I was really shaken, when Melvin Bishop remixed my own track "Brand New Lover" - it's so much different from the original version! I even like my voice in it, which doesn't happen often. But I went too far from the Basia subject. Sorry. (-) Ray [::: come.to/raynavarra ::: www.mp3.com/ray_navarra ::: www.mp3.com/bard :::] Soon back online: Quite Pet Shop Boys website! Watch this space... [::: Number one this week: Mylene Farmer "L'ame-Stram-Gram" :::] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:38:26 -0400 From: "Thelma Gunter" Subject: Re: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! Early on the East Coast..... Kevin Where do we get this????? Looks wonderful. Gotta have it. Please... wake up and tell me. Kevin... wake up!! Kevin!!! thelma - -----Original Message----- From: Joel Cairo To: basia@smoe.org Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 4:48 AM Subject: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! > >Hey, all: > >It's late (even here on the West Coast of the US), but I got something >in the mail today, and just had to let y'all know about it. Let's just >say it'll help while away the time until Christmas... > >You'll find some info here: > >http://www.inetarena.com/~soundman/SFT.html > >Have a good one, everybody... I'm going to sleep!! > >-Kevin >soundman@inetarena.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! > http://www.inetarena.com/~soundman/SFT.html Where the heck did the live "Olive Tree" & "More Fire Than Flame" come from?!?!?! The other two outtakes I recognised from the Clear Horizon CD-5, but was there some other wacky import single these were culled from? ('Go For You' perhaps, since that's the only other CH single we've heard of) Gosh. Not to mention the cover shot...where did that get undug from? And who are these myterious "obsessed Japanese collectors" anyway? ;D So many questions....I'm just a bit stunned that's all. - --Leslie (How can you NOT like 'An Olive Tree!?!) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Wong Subject: Re: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! The live versions of "An Olive Tree" and "More Fire Than Flame" can be found on the Japanese CD single of "Time And Tide (live)". Alfred _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: "Not everyone understands house music. It's a spiritual thing, a body thing..." But > if you listen to Ultra > Nate or Pet Shop Boys, you can find the dance music > with a class. (PSB's > Metamorphosis being an extremely perfect example.) Especially with the session musicians they used... ;D You know, I'm suprised no one said Neil Tennant for the duets thread. I was just waiting for the PSB contingent to represent. Okay, I'll say it: Basia and PSB. Imagine. > thinking. If you get the > album version of Basia's song, it's: written, > produced, sung and caressed > to the last note by Basia herself. When you take the > remix, you've only > got "written" and "sung" and "sung" is sometimes > taken away too. Case in point (timely as well, Ray!): the Roger Sanchez 'Ultimate Anthem Mix' of Drunk on Love. It's playing a game of "Where's Basia?" You have to look for her among the extra beats, synth lines, and piles of backup singer overdubs. And she's not wearing a red and white striped hat, either. :) I think I counted once: 2 minutes of about 11 having anything to do with Basia. And she is a bid sped up. But hey, it was a big dance hit, so what do I know? > But sometimes I'm wondering, if E-Smoove > remixing PSB's > Liberation of LionRock remaking New Order 1963 were > telling us "the > original was shit" because they didn't use a note > from the original > recording... See above... I gotta say, though, that after this big paper I wrote for my (last!) Business class on how the moolah is distributed in the music biz, I can't even blame Basia for going for the remixes. Girl gotta get paid! Anyway... doesn't this make you all curious what this new "more-dancey" album is going to sound like! > me wonder what could I have been missing, not buying > the EBTG album > "Amplified Heart". It's good but not like the remixes. It's the 'pre-hip' ETBTG. I like it. (BTW, there's a new EBTG album > due out in autumn) More of the Walking Wounded sound I wonder? > love Todd's remix of Driving as well, even if the > band themselves didn't > approve it. Why? Haven't heard it... > Oh, one more thing: it's also quite amazing for an > artist when he/she > hears the remix of the song... I remember Basia saying on a couple of occasisons that she liked the remix of 'Unitl You Come Back To Me' better than the original. I was really shaken, > when Melvin Bishop > remixed my own track "Brand New Lover" - it's so > much different from the > original version! I even like my voice in it, which > doesn't happen often. Okay, explain: are you a DJ? Gotta ask. I mean, do your records get played in clubs in Poland or...? Who is Melvin Bishop? Sounds familiar... > But I went too far from the Basia subject. Sorry. Oh no! SOmeone went of topic! Whaterver are we going to do! (LOL) If it weren't for off-topic conversations I think we would be bored silly, since our 'topic' hasn't done anything conversation worthy lately! (wasn't there another Polish awards show coming up?) - --Leslie (pardon my ignorance on all counts) KENDALL COLLEGE OF ART & DESIGN CLASS OF 1999!!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Brown Subject: Re: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! > The live versions of "An Olive Tree" and "More Fire > Than Flame" can be found on the Japanese CD single > of > "Time And Tide (live)". Somehow I should have known that..... :) - --Leslie (what a rapid reply!) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:01:30 -0700 From: mondony@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: All this talk of remixes and Basia Moments... how timely!!! Alfred Wong wrote: > > The live versions of "An Olive Tree" and "More Fire > Than Flame" can be found on the Japanese CD single of > "Time And Tide (live)". What !!!. A live version of "Olive Tree", my favourite song !!!. I'm not correctly informed. I don't merit "fan" (I prefer admirer) term!!!. Fool's cap !!!. I begin the research on the net to find it. May be in Japan ??. I begin lessons in japanese ... Faf. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V4 #100 ***************************