From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V4 #16 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, January 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Biggin Hill address ["Diane F. Fisli" ] Re: Rentals (PERILOUSLY DEVOID OF BASIA CONTENT) [Whipple930@aol.com] Replies To Ashoke [Jan Johnson ] overwhelming ["tom, kelly & jordan" ] Re: basia-digest V4 #14 ["Leslie Brown" ] The Fan Issue ["Leslie Brown" ] This is for Bill! Sorry for public post ["Leslie Brown" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:30:26 -0800 From: "Diane F. Fisli" Subject: Biggin Hill address >>Denis, Your an old list member. Beware of that address. As you probably >>know nobody seems to live there anymore. > >Are you saying that just because Basia isn't replying to fan mail or do you >have other reasons to believe no one lives there? The Biggin Hill address is current and correct, according to Peter White. :) TTFN! --Di. I hate quotations. -Ralph Waldo Emerson :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:06:21 EST From: Whipple930@aol.com Subject: Re: Rentals (PERILOUSLY DEVOID OF BASIA CONTENT) Sorry to hear about the car. But MORE importantly, are you OK? At 5'1" you should really not have a problem with height in the car. Now I have customers that are 4'9" and less that have booster seats in their Porsches. Now that is a sight. Again sorry to hear about it. What were you driving? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:40:29 +0000 From: Jan Johnson Subject: Replies To Ashoke >Sorry to hear about all the setbacks. Hope your compatriot is well on her >way to recovery. Well, there's always a next time, Jan. Sorry if I didn't explain things very well in the last post. Our friend had the heart attack at a Cincinnati doctor's surgery and was rushed to hospital. We heard about it just before we were due to fly out and were tempted to cancel, but the rest of the family pleaded with us to come anyway. What I meant was, we couldn't travel out of Cincinnati whilst we were there - we were too busy!! Anyway our friend's Mother (we met the whole family on the internet a few years ago) is well on the road to recovery. So am I, if it comes to that! Being as they are a Catholic family, to which was added a maiden aunt, boyfriend of eldest girl there were rather a lot of mouths to feed! Cooking Christmas dinner for Americans was interesting. As to shopping for supplies in the supermarket...mass confusion. To give an example, over here 'Surge' is a washing powder, whereas for you guys it is a soft drink! So there was rather a lot of hilarious mistakes. Also, some of the things we tend to cook at Christmas, such as kilties and roast potatoes (link breakfast sausage wrapped in streaky bacon 'kilts' and baked in the oven, and part boiled potatoes basted in turkey stock in the oven) are rather more designed to be eaten the British way, with a knife in the right hand and a fork in the left, rather than with a fork alone. Forgive me, but I always think that Americans always look suprisingly cack-handed when you see them trying to cut their food with a knife and fork!! >BTW, London is one of the top five in my favorite cities, you know, and I >haven't been there in over 2 years. So I can imagine a trip to London and >Amsterdam coming up sometime in the not-too-distant future. And the next >time I am there, you'de better set aside some time for a cup of coffee or >tea, lady! Yes, I promise to make it, even if London is an 750 mile round trip!! Not that I consider that a problem, unlike most Brits I think nothing of doing a 100 mile round trip every two months to visit a particularly good supermarket. I am referring of course to the old adage "The main difference between Americans and British people is that Americans consider 100 years to be a long time and the British consider 100 miles to be a long way" !!! >And yes, occasionally, I still do take my tea with mail and sugar! > >No it was NOT a typo. You see, the house I live in is one of many that were >built in the 40s and has a milk box. However, in winter, it (milk box) >being more accessible than the mailbox (the front steps are covered with ice >and snow), the mail frequently gets delivered in the milk box! It's a >common thing in Cleveland Hts and South Euclid! Hence, it's a standard >joke. No, we don't have milk delivered in the mail box, thank god! > >I should have explained. Anyway, the message behind that metonym was "I >take my tea with milk and sugar!" But you knew that, right? Now I've discovered the rather interesting story behind this one....You'll be right at home over here, where bottles of milk are still delivered to the doorstep!! Mostly we drink our tea with milk alone and have 'trained' our Ohio friends to do likewise. They've even acquired their own electric kettle to boil the water. I have to say that I have become rather partial to Snackwell chocolate chip cookies with my tea, a habit I acquired in South Carolina in the summer. Fast running out of supplies, though, as you can't get them over here.....!! >>I keep meaning to email Ms Gilberto to ask if she knows about the song. >> >She does. Basia said (in an interview somewhere) that she actually got her >producers to arrange for a backstage meeting with Astrud after one of the >latter's shows. And Astrud did know about the song. Thanks for that piece of information. I wonder what she thought of it, though? Does anyone know which interview this is, and how I can get hold of a copy? Jan Who is currently listening to The Corrs' 'Talk On Corners' Special Edition and thinking how suprisingly good it is!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:11:19 -0600 From: "tom, kelly & jordan" Subject: overwhelming Brian asks Tom "Are you saying that just because Basia isn't replying to fan mail or do you have other reasons to believe no one lives there?" Send a self addressed envelope to that address, get a response, and prove me wrong. Brian asks Tom "Twelve years is a long time ago. What was going on then? Time and Tide just came out, I guess and she was apparently trying pretty hard (with a lot of help from her label, compared to now) to get her solo career started. I would also imagine that twelve years ago, she wasn't getting much mail, because (except among Matt Bianco fans) she probably was not as well-known as she is now, with three albums, a live CD, the Greatest Hits thing, numerous singles, and three tours under her belt. It's probably a bit overwhelming" Maybe so. over the course of their 14 or so "composition years", I count about 40 songs. That is one song every 4.5 months divide that by 2 composers and you get one song every 9 months. > and must I say that I am convinced that neither Basia or Danny own a >computer or they would tap into this valuable pool of FANS. Well, there are such people. They probably do own a computer, but maybe they just aren't interested in the internet. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted your tone, but do you think Basia *owes* us something? - - -Brian* Artists don't owe their fans much, fans owe the artist everything. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:06:38 PST From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: basia-digest V4 #14 >Ohhh... Ashoke, you should definitely go and take some drugs. Like TSI. >It's taken best through the headphones and light off. What a buzz... aaaahhhh! >Oh, Leslie, sorry for screwing up again. It seems you're never where I >expect you to be! :) Hee! Not a problem! >Well, if you can watch MTV Europe... ;) DON'T I WISH! Anything to keep me form having to look at these hyper-trendy groups of folks either on road trips or not being polite and getting so artificially real in a preset arguement pattern courtesy of the producers! Eeek, if anyone in the States played actual videos anymore! >I'll send you the text version. (The same about you, Joe!) Thanks! >Sorry! Yesterday I was passing by some kiosks... none of them have this >issue anymore! January issue took over. Well, if you ever see any you know who to call (or rather, email :) ) >:) Some people thought that Neil came out in Was It Worth It? - they >thought that instead of "I don't give a damn when I hear people say" he >sung "I am gay and down when I hear people say" - that was good :) Hey, back to the infamy- in -lyrics -misheard thread! Sounds like one odd thing to come up with lyrically though (the misheard part) -it barely makes sense! Oh well. Neil >actually came out in the Attitude UK magazine. Now all UK magazines >describe him always as "openly gay star". Hmm. I wonder, why I never see >the words "openly heterosexual star". Heh... no kidding. Weird, weird, weird. >BTW, I hope you don't mind that I always reply whole digests, thus sending >superlong and subjectless emails? I like it... makes it feel like as close to a group conversation as it can get online. - --Leslie, never there but always there! (or here, anyway :) ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:48:36 PST From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: The Fan Issue >I second that emotion. I was thinking I might've misinterpreted that >letter, also. Really, Basia doesn't really "owe" us anything at all, >IMHO--she, however, chooses to share her angelic music with us every >few years, and we all appreciate and love her for it. Let me give that a big wholehearted third. This whole thing really bothers me. Let me give my $1.75, please. First of all, Basia owes jack sprat to anyone on this list or otherwise-fans. This is her job. As Joe says, we are lucky to have any view of what she does at all, considering what appears to be her very busy & full life. Being a low-level communicator myself (except online- go figure) I understand how someone would not have time to correspond... I barely have time to tie my shoes myself, and I sure am not a recording artist/songwriter/composer/singer/producer/mother/life partner to a really cool trumpeter with families in two countries AND who also has to mess with Sony now and then! Come on! Also, if the fan mail issue bothers some of you, think about what she has said in the press. She has a great apprecition for her fans and has been known to plaster correspondence on the walls of her home studio (this was in Billboard in 1990). Her confidance in songwriting has a great deal to do with the fact that fans wrote explaning how they related to what she said. And so on. I once contemplated sending her something and personally her just seeing it and getting a little smile out of it would be enough. Yeah, it would be cool if she did reply to all of you but think: your goal has been accomplished. She knows you like her stuff. Can't that knowledge be enough? But we don't know >what's going on in her daily life--maybe she truly doesn't have the >time, but that really isn't any of our business. An emphatic *nod* to that, and that leads me to my next point which might not be well received, but hey. There is a distance between an artist and their fans. As much as they know about her, memorise the words, locations, inspirations for this song and that song, chronology of ones life, etc., THE FAN DOES NOT KNOW THE ARTIST. I can't remember who it was, but a while back someone made the comment that they *had* to get a hold of Basia and they felt like thay had been living with her for the past few years. I mean no offence to whoever said that of course, and it probably wasn't a completely serious remark ( I hope) but that kinda sentiment is a bit much. As much as we love her stuff and find her life fasciniating, we sure aren't any closer to her than one would be to the guy you pass on the street. I think it's safe to say that if you sent someting to Biggin Hill, she has seen it and appreciated it, and that's the end of your lives connecting. Yeah, we would love to meet and say such praise in person, online or whatever! I know I would. :) But like that's EVER going to happen. Some bands have a big fan thing going on, and I think that it would be darned cool if Basia would do something like that, but apparently she doesn't want to. She sounds like someone who values her privacy,and we should step back and respect that, NOT be trying to get phone numbers to Biggin HIll and secret email addresses! I'm sure she knows the deal about the internet (Hey, Nick *was* allegedly on the list) and whatnot but let's just figure she doesn't want any, thank you. That might be just as well, because I have always wondered if this ML would freak her out. Maybe seeing a giant picture of herself as soon as she punches up BasiaWeb would be scary (just kidding! :) ) Anyway... Finally, sending her repeated notes asking 'why haven't you written me back' and whatnot is just a little bit desperate. She might think you're some nut! I know I would if someone kept bugging me just because they related to a song or someting. Good fandom rule of thumb: if something sounds scary to you, it will probably scare your hero. They are just people after all. Sorry if I've upset anyone but this kinda thing just needs to be said once in a while. I have no intention of singling anyone out to feel bad. It's the issue, not anyone on the list. Believe me, I adore Basia as much as the next guy. But I think putting it all into perspective is a good thing. - --Leslie, respectful and at the same time flame-proof ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:51:07 PST From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: This is for Bill! Sorry for public post Really, really sorry for the public post but I trashed Bill's address! Bill- I got everything OK & I'm mailing it back on Tuesday. Okay back I go into my little corner! - --Leslie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:43:46 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Replies To Ashoke Jan wrote: Also, some of the things we >tend to cook at Christmas, such as kilties and roast potatoes (link >breakfast sausage wrapped in streaky bacon 'kilts' and baked in the oven, >and part boiled potatoes basted in turkey stock in the oven) How deliciously artery-clogging this sounds. Is it this simple - or is there a recipe? Tell us. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V4 #16 **************************