From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V3 #248 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: basia-digest V3 #247 [Richard216@aol.com] Re: basia-digest V3 #247 ["Rob B." ] THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: Some old and some new... ["Ashoke S. Talukdar"] Re: Re: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: A little more than just the best [Whi] T. I. D. (the inter. Disc.) [tom@inetnebr.com, kelly&jordan ] Re: Re: Waters of March and harmonies [Whipple930@aol.com] THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: A little more than just the best ["Ashoke S. T] masters of repackaging [tom@inetnebr.com, kelly&jordan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:09:13 EST From: Richard216@aol.com Subject: Re: basia-digest V3 #247 I would certainly like to see more of the regulars on this list visit the Yahoo Basia page. Http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/basia Although not as informative as interactive list, it's a nice change. It has a live chat room of which I never see anyone in. Perhaps if some of us could set aside a regular time each week, we could have a "live" chat about Basia. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:06:04 PST From: "Rob B." Subject: Re: basia-digest V3 #247 Richard216 wrote > >I would certainly like to see more of the regulars on this list visit the >Yahoo Basia page. > > Http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/basia > >Although not as informative as interactive list, it's a nice change. >It has a live chat room of which I never see anyone in. Perhaps if some of us >could set aside a regular time each week, we could have a "live" chat about >Basia. > >Rich Rich - got the message (check the club). I hope you knew you were able to post a message at the club yourself to ask who may want to participate in a chat, and at what time. BTW- the club is not a one way street. It's not like a site you go to to see what someone else has done. If you have something to say - post a message. It seemed no one had any comments to make or other items to offer so I assumed a lack of news and/or interest. I kind of expected it to be on the quiet side until next Tuesday (11/17) anyway. I have to take exception to your comment that the club is "not as informative as (an) interactive list". In fact the club message board is a better forum than the list. Club messages are posted immediately and the chaining of responses to original message(s) is easier to follow because there is no need to include the original text, just click on "This is a reply to: Msg__". There are also various Basia and music oriented links and, of course, the chat room that the list cannot offer. As for "not as informative", it is only not as informative because it lacks the comments of some of the subscribers to this list who have chosen not to join the club. Anyone interested in joining just follow the link! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/basia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:09:50 -0500 From: "Ashoke S. Talukdar" Subject: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: Some old and some new... I love retrospectives. I would subscribe to any retrospective as long as there are some variations. Last night I watched Stevie Nicks on VH1 Storytellers. Among other things, she rendered a version of "Rhiannon" with only her on the piano. By her own admission, she has very rarely done this. This song is one of my all time favorites. On the Fleetwood Mac "Dance" tour, the song would begin with a few notes on the piano and when Stevie's voice uttered the word Rhiannon, time would stop. The VH1 version is very different - stark, with a somewhat unfinished quality - rare for Stevie but worth every bit of the standing ovation that she got after it ended. I am grateful to VH1 for affording us the opportunity of revisiting our favorite artists in a different context. ****************** I was having a conversation with a friend last week. As someone on the list (Diane perhaps) pointed out, there seems to be a preponderance for "Best of..." releases. Essentially, old songs revisited with one or two new tracks. Many hardcore fans find this somewhat annoying. However, our discussion was highlighted by a couple of viewpoints not often taken. It would seem that the artists themselves would naturally like the idea of retrospectives. It is somewhat similar to being a chef. You rarely get to enjoy your own work in the same way as the beneficiary of the creative process - the audience. This is mainly because the artist gets to stay with the object of art through the creative process, more so than any of us, and is thus constantly surrounded by the "aroma" of their work. It is almost impossible to not become immune to some of the poignancy in the work that we, as recepients of the finished product, enjoy and cherish so much. In this light, it is quite understandable that one would want to revisit their own works occasionally, so as to be able to experience this flavor after having stayed away from it for a while. The music industry is faced with a different kind of dilemna. 25 years ago, the recorded media (vinyls, tapes, etc.) were not as long lasting as those of today (CDs, DVD, etc.). Hence, more and more, today we are likely to buy a CD and have it last for so significantly long a time, that we often don't have to worry about replacing it even after many months in the CD player. For same level of use, we would most certainly have to replace a vinyl LP or a tape. I know I have. The economic connotations aside, however, I think there is a somewhat subtle implication in the increasing propensity for producing compilations of existing works. The record companies, after all, are not naive to the demands of the market. They make retrospective compilations because statistics show that people will buy them. Which brings are to the third and, perhaps, the most important factor of this equation - the listener. Personally, I think these compilations can be very rewarding if done thoughtfullly. Re-releasing studio or live recordings of previous productions (T&T, LWNY, TSI and BOB) in a lengthy, 2-CD collection is NOT a thoughtfully done collection. Needless to say I did not buy it. But "Clear Horizon" is different. Like many of you, I too have heard all but the two wholly new tracks. But the official release of tracks like "Waters of March" and "Angels Blush" provide a sense of completion the anthology of her works. It also puts these songs into a context that is more Basia, than simply isolated recordings. Moreover, I think that putting together a compilation of songs, no doubt suggested by Basia herself, involves an element of interpretation of her own work. In making a song list, there is always the inevitable composition of coherence, which, to my mind, offers an insight into the Basia's feelings about these songs. It also provides us with the opportunity of creating our own context for listening to a set of songs in a particular order. Ultimately, my personal feelings about the release of "Clear Horizon" are about being content and at ease, rather than excitement. Content of the knowledge that she IS back in the studio and that there is more to come. Regards, Ashoke. ________________________________________________________________ Ashoke S. Talukdar | When the darkness takes you talukdar@morph.ebme.cwru.edu | with her hand across your face Home : 216-381-5872 | Don't give in too quickly Imaging Lab : 216-368-8812 | Find the things she's erased MetroHealth : 216-778-8987 | Find the line, find the face Pager : 216-670-5872 | Through the grain... Cellular : 216-317-7079 | Fax : 216-368-4969 | Suzanne Vega ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:07:46 EST From: Whipple930@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: A little more than just the best In a message dated 11/6/98 2:13:23 PM, you wrote: <> AAAAHHHHHHHH Just one of the many reasons I LOVE MY MAC. Any new words on the Basia album MIke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:10:24 -0600 From: tom@inetnebr.com, kelly&jordan Subject: T. I. D. (the inter. Disc.) Kevin sez; "Good morning, everyone!! Well, it's *very* early on Wednesday morning as I write this, but for better or worse, I had to let y'all know that there's a new reference site up... it's modestly called: "Basia -- The International Discography" tom sez, Kevin,,, Ohhh,,, Yeah,Yeah. Your the "discographer". Discography? the science of catogorizing an artists, art(s). Nice job Kevin. you may have to use Dewey Decimal System. Ready for the next project Kevin? Tom Enjoy your weekend all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 06:03:23 +0000 (GMT) From: combee@dacha.yak.net (Ben Combee) Subject: Basia Club Rob B. writes: > I just set up a club for Basia which has it's own message board and chat > room along with a calendar and an area to post links. Any member can add > to the links or calendar. If any of you care to check it out -follow the > link- > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/basia I've added a link to this to BasiaWeb. > P.S. Ben Combee - I "borrowed" one of your Basia photos for the club, > hope you don't mind. It had to be a picture that was on the web already > and I didn't know anyone else who had as good a collection. I you want > me to remove it, just say the word. No, its fine. Thanks for letting me know about the use. - -- Benjamin L. Combee (combee@techwood.org) ....will work for details on Katmai New Instructions.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:26:57 +0000 From: Jan Johnson Subject: The Sweetest Illusion? Here's what the reviewer at http://www.tunes.com has to say about 'Sweetest Illusion'....... Vocalist Basia Trzetrzelewska spent a couple of years in the pop band Matt Bianco, an offshoot of Blue Rondo A La Turk, before she launched a solo career in 1987. With the musical assistance of Matt Bianco's Danny White, Basia developed a subtle cocktail - jazz - pop which was first showcased on her 1987 debut album, Time and Tide. Supported by the singles "New Day for You" and "Time and Tide," the record became a hit in Europe and America, where the album went platinum. Her second record, 1990's London Warsaw New York, was just as successful, but her third album, 1994's Sweetest Illusion, FAILED TO FIND AN AUDIENCE. - - - Stephen Thomas Erlewine Excuse me??!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:57:26 EST From: Whipple930@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Waters of March and harmonies Layering is a very common thing to do. When I worked in the recording field we would always add a little digital echo (slightly changing the pitch if necessary) to give a more harmonic sound to the voice. Another thing I used was a second Telefunkin U-47 microphone in the recording room in a distant corner. The U-47 with its all vacuum tube operation would naturally add a slight elongation of the voice, also being in the most distant section of the room added a slight delay. What a great sound it would create when added to the master track. All you would need to do to it was to add some siblance, only 1-2 dB, music to my ears. I still have the U-47. It was made in Germany and still works great. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:37:19 -0500 From: "Ashoke S. Talukdar" Subject: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: A little more than just the best I love retrospectives. I would subscribe to any retrospective as long as there are some variations. Last night I watched Stevie Nicks on VH1 Storytellers. Among other things, she rendered a version of "Rhiannon" with only her on the piano. By her own admission, she has very rarely done this. This song is one of my all time favorites. On the Fleetwood Mac "Dance" tour, the song would begin with a few notes on the piano and when Stevie's voice uttered the word Rhiannon, time would stop. The VH1 version is very different - stark, with a somewhat unfinished quality - rare for Stevie but worth every bit of the standing ovation that she got after it ended. I am grateful to VH1 for affording us the opportunity of revisiting our favorite artists in a different context. ****************** I was having a conversation with a friend last week. As someone on the list (Diane perhaps) pointed out, there seems to be a preponderance for "Best of..." releases. Essentially, old songs revisited with one or two new tracks. Many hardcore fans find this somewhat annoying. However, our discussion was highlighted by a couple of viewpoints not often taken. It would seem that the artists themselves would naturally like the idea of retrospectives. It is somewhat similar to being a chef. You rarely get to enjoy your own work in the same way as the beneficiary of the creative process - the audience. This is mainly because the artist gets to stay with the object of art through the creative process, more so than any of us, and is thus constantly surrounded by the "aroma" of their work. It is almost impossible to not become immune to some of the poignancy in the work that we, as recepients of the finished product, enjoy and cherish so much. In this light, it is quite understandable that one would want to revisit their own works occasionally, so as to be able to experience this flavor after having stayed away from it for a while. The music industry is faced with a different kind of dilemna. 25 years ago, the recorded media (vinyls, tapes, etc.) were not as long lasting as those of today (CDs, DVD, etc.). Hence, more and more, today we are likely to buy a CD and have it last for so significantly long a time, that we often don't have to worry about replacing it even after many months in the CD player. For same level of use, we would most certainly have to replace a vinyl LP or a tape. I know I have. The economic connotations aside, however, I think there is a somewhat subtle implication in the increasing propensity for producing compilations of existing works. The record companies, after all, are not naive to the demands of the market. They make retrospective compilations because statistics show that people will buy them. Which brings are to the third and, perhaps, the most important factor of this equation - the listener. Personally, I think these compilations can be very rewarding if done thoughtfullly. Re-releasing studio or live recordings of previous productions (T&T, LWNY, TSI and BOB) in a lengthy, 2-CD collection is NOT a thoughtfully done collection. Needless to say I did not buy it. But "Clear Horizon" is different. Like many of you, I too have heard all but the two wholly new tracks. But the official release of tracks like "Waters of March" and "Angels Blush" provide a sense of completion the anthology of her works. It also puts these songs into a context that is more Basia, than simply isolated recordings. Moreover, I think that putting together a compilation of songs, no doubt suggested by Basia herself, involves an element of interpretation of her own work. In making a song list, there is always the inevitable composition of coherence, which, to my mind, offers an insight into the Basia's feelings about these songs. It also provides us with the opportunity of creating our own context for listening to a set of songs in a particular order. Ultimately, my personal feelings about the release of "Clear Horizon" are about being content and at ease, rather than excitement. Content of the knowledge that she IS back in the studio and that there is more to come. Regards, Ashoke. ________________________________________________________________ Ashoke S. Talukdar | When the darkness takes you talukdar@morph.ebme.cwru.edu | with her hand across your face Home : 216-381-5872 | Don't give in too quickly Imaging Lab : 216-368-8812 | Find the things she's erased MetroHealth : 216-778-8987 | Find the line, find the face Pager : 216-670-5872 | Through the grain... Cellular : 216-317-7079 | Fax : 216-368-4969 | Suzanne Vega ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:01:24 -0600 From: tom@inetnebr.com, kelly&jordan Subject: masters of repackaging Jim P.sez: "By no means are you the only one who feels this way. Too many record companies put out a "greatest hits" package with a couple new songs in hopes of us fans being suckered into buying it. Let's face it, it's a consumer rip-off. It's like buying football season tickets where you have to pay full price for a couple of preseason games in order to get the rest of the games. But when you are a "fan", you usually end up paying it. We can be suckers at times." Mr.P The Basia Company, From now on know as TBC. Has made a shtload of money through repackaging. To me, TBC were the originators of the remix, dubmix, frenchmix, downtownclubmix, repackage-rerelease, redo, masters. And if they read what i just said they might say "Damn he figured out our formula, Cheers buddy". Of course TBC was not the first, but truly the best at it. They were doing this on vinal at the advent of the CD. If you do not believe me I'll sell you (4) 12" remix/repackaged records from the 80's in mint shape! Personally, I got suckered into this years ago, and you know what, I think it's great. They are out to make money and music and i am here to buy it. But I do also agree with Denis, It sucks that we wait for little tidbits. Artists make music and musicians make money. Four years between albums works out to one song every ten months, wow, what a work load. That's all Remember, Artists make music, musicians make money. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:17:36 -0500 From: "Ashoke S. Talukdar" Subject: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: Some new and some old... I love retrospectives. I would subscribe to any retrospective as long as there are some variations. Last night I watched Stevie Nicks on VH1 Storytellers. Among other things, she rendered a version of "Rhiannon" with only her on the piano. By her own admission, she has very rarely done this. This song is one of my all time favorites. On the Fleetwood Mac "Dance" tour, the song would begin with a few notes on the piano and when Stevie's voice uttered the word Rhiannon, time would stop. The VH1 version is very different - stark, with a somewhat unfinished quality - rare for Stevie but worth every bit of the standing ovation that she got after it ended. I am grateful to VH1 for affording us the opportunity of revisiting our favorite artists in a different context. _______________________________________________________________________ I was having a conversation with a friend last week. As someone on the list (Diane perhaps) pointed out, there seems to be a preponderance for "Best of..." releases. Essentially, old songs revisited with one or two new tracks. Many hardcore fans find this somewhat annoying. However, our discussion was highlighted by a couple of viewpoints not often taken. It would seem that the artists themselves would naturally like the idea of retrospectives. It is somewhat similar to being a chef. You rarely get to enjoy your own work in the same way as the beneficiary of the creative process - the audience. This is mainly because the artist gets to stay with the object of art through the creative process, more so than any of us, and is thus constantly surrounded by the "aroma" of their work. It is almost impossible to not become immune to some of the poignancy in the work that we, as recepients of the finished product, enjoy and cherish so much. In this light, it is quite understandable that one would want to revisit their own works occasionally, so as to be able to experience this flavor after having stayed away from it for a while. The music industry is faced with a different kind of dilemna. 25 years ago, the recorded media (vinyls, tapes, etc.) were not as long lasting as those of today (CDs, DVD, etc.). Hence, more and more, today we are likely to buy a CD and have it last for so significantly long a time, that we often don't have to worry about replacing it even after many months in the CD player. For same level of use, we would most certainly have to replace a vinyl LP or a tape. I know I have. The economic connotations aside, however, I think there is a somewhat subtle implication in the increasing propensity for producing compilations of existing works. The record companies, after all, are not naive to the demands of the market. They make retrospective compilations because statistics show that people will buy them. Which brings are to the third and, perhaps, the most important factor of this equation - the listener. Personally, I think these compilations can be very rewarding if done thoughtfullly. Essentially "re-releasing" studio or live recordings of previous productions (T&T, LWNY, TSI and BOB) in a lengthy, 2-CD collection is NOT a thoughtfully done collection. Needless to say I did not buy it. But "Clear Horizon" is different. Like many of you, I too have heard all but the two wholly new tracks. But the official release of tracks like "Waters of March" and "Angels Blush" provide a sense of completion the anthology of her works. It also puts these songs into a context that is more Basia, than simply isolated recordings. Moreover, I think that putting together a compilation of songs, no doubt suggested by Basia herself, involves an element of interpretation of her own work. In making a song list, there is always the inevitable composition of coherence, which, to my mind, offers an insight into the Basia's feelings about these songs. It also provides us with the opportunity of creating our own context for listening to a set of songs in a particular order. Ultimately, my personal feelings about the release of "Clear Horizon" are about being content and at ease, rather than excitement. Content of the knowledge that she IS back in the studio and that there is more to come. Regards, Ashoke. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:24:59 -0300 From: John Gartland Subject: "The Waters of March" I saw on the internet that you have the lyrics of "The Waters of March." Could you please e-mail them to me. I know that this seems crazy because I found this info. from a document dated Jan 11, 1997 but I would really appreciate these lyrics. I also enjoyed Red Hot Rio and I have a CD Brasil Nativo by Lani Hall who sings this song.Please help if you can . Thanks. John G. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V3 #248 ***************************